PFT - LJ on the block?

[primetime]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/175/story/77543.html

So, if the Chiefs were thinking about fielding offers for LJ, would you trade the 24th overall pick for him? How about the 28th? Asante?

I'd give up the 24th, a pick some people have the Pats selecting a RB with, and there's no way Marshawn Lynch is better than Larry Johnson.

 

[Remix 6]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/175/story/77543.html

So, if the Chiefs were thinking about fielding offers for LJ, would you trade the 24th overall pick for him? How about the 28th? Asante?

I'd give up the 24th, a pick some people have the Pats selecting a RB with, and there's no way Marshawn Lynch is better than Larry Johnson.

we dont want 2 featured backs

 

[Michigan Dave]

No interest.

 

[PushnPencils]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
http://www.kansascity.com/175/story/77543.html

So, if the Chiefs were thinking about fielding offers for LJ, would you trade the 24th overall pick for him? How about the 28th? Asante?

I'd give up the 24th, a pick some people have the Pats selecting a RB with, and there's no way Marshawn Lynch is better than Larry Johnson.

I'd have to agree with you.

He's 28 years old I think. Here, he wouldn't need to pound the rock like he did in KC.

Sharing carries with Maroney would extend his career.

Something tells me they'd be looking for more than just a first rounder. The 28th and Asante seems like too much though.

 

[fgssand]

we dont want 2 featured backs

You might if one gets injured....not often that one back makes it all the way through the season healthy anymore (LJ actually has the past two years).

If they could work out the contract to be cap friendly, I wouldn't mind seeing LJ here. I have no idea what kind oif money it would take - he is going into his 5th year I believe.

 

[belichickaholic]

I heard a rumor that he is disliked in the locker room.

 

[Remix 6]

I heard a rumor that he is disliked in the locker room.

he did..and he wants a new contract..and a guy his caliber its top RB money so forget it

 

[patriotspride]

I heard a rumor that he is disliked in the locker room.

plus he doesnt want to be coached by a white man .

 

[Boston Jay]

I heard he is a cancer.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Knowing that the Chiefs also need an OL, it was intriguing when I first heard he was on the trading block.... 5 yards per carry, 1700 yard season backs do tend to help a team.

The school of thought of course is that he's being overused and needs to be part of a tandem.

But from the personality issues (though, he could be another Dillon - a guy who actually is interested in getting a ring who will behave) I think he really wants to get paid more than anything.

If he were willing to continue playing under his rookie contract that goes through 2009 that would be one thing - but I think he wants out of that contract and would demand an extension from any team trading for him (and such a team indeed might want to extend their options on him too)

So I think its "show me the money" time with LJ - if he starts saying he just wants to be on a team that can win a SB and is willing to play out his existing contract, give the Patriots a call - otherwise don't pick up the phone on draft day.

 

[upstater1]

plus he doesnt want to be coached by a white man .

Is that why he went to a school with a white coach (Paterno) when he could have just as easily gone to play for Bobby Williams or Tyrone Willingham?

 

[JoeSixPat]

Is that why he went to a school with a white coach (Paterno) when he could have just as easily gone to play for Bobby Williams or Tyrone Willingham?

technically, as an extraterrestrial, Joe Paterno can't be considered "white"

 

[Rob0729]

Is that why he went to a school with a white coach (Paterno) when he could have just as easily gone to play for Bobby Williams or Tyrone Willingham?

patriotspride is refering to Larry Johnson's quotes to Cris Carter on "Inside the NFL" that he feels more comfortable playing for a black coach than a white one. He basically said he hated playing for **** Vermeil because he was white.

 

[Rob0729]

I think I would pass on Larry Johnson. RB isn't an area of high need. If we are going to give up Asante Samuel or a first round draft pick, I want to replace them with a player who can fill a bigger need like safety, CB, or ILB.

 

[upstater1]

patriotspride is refering to Larry Johnson's quotes to Cris Carter on "Inside the NFL" that he feels more comfortable playing for a black coach than a white one. He basically said he hated playing for **** Vermeil because he was white.

He didn't say he hated playing for Vermeil because he was white. Not at all. I saw that interview. He said he's more comfortable playing for a black coach. so what? His Dad is a black coach too. You don't think that means anything? I bet white players feel the same with white coaches. And given his experience with Vermeil, who tried to bury Johnson's career, who can blame the kid.

If he really had a hangup about white coaches, he would have gone to Michigan St or Notre Dame, where two black coaches offered him a scholarship.

 

[Rob0729]

He didn't say he hated playing for Vermeil because he was white. Not at all. I saw that interview. He said he's more comfortable playing for a black coach. so what? His Dad is a black coach too. You don't think that means anything? I bet white players feel the same with white coaches. And given his experience with Vermeil, who tried to bury Johnson's career, who can blame the kid.

If he really had a hangup about white coaches, he would have gone to Michigan St or Notre Dame, where two black coaches offered him a scholarship.

I saw the interview too. He didn't come out and say that he hated playing for Vermeil because he was a white caoch, but he damn well implied it.

Here are some of his comments:

"They hadn't been in a situation as a young, black athlete and know what we had to go through when we go out," Johnson told interviewer Cris Carter about the previous coaching staff under **** Vermeil. "We like to go out. We like to have fun, but then you have to worry about the guy around the corner with the gun. You've got to worry about this girl on the block. You've got to worry about your parents, your homeboys taking advantage of you. So many things you have to worry about being a young, black athlete. And to be able to have a father like mine and a coach like Herm, I was able to escape a lot of those realities and find myself in a new ray of light."

"The one thing we hate is to have somebody who is not African-American come in and say, 'You've got to do this,'" Johnson said. "No matter how you put it, it looks like you're telling me what to do and you don't know where I'm from and what I've got to live through."

 

[Rob0729]

And by the way, I don't think he meant it. But he said it. He only has himself to blame for anyone saying anything about it.

Bottomline is Johnson wasn't man enough to admit he acted like a child under Vermeil and he played the race card to deflect responsibilities for his imature behavior. It was the fact that he was so stressed about a white coach telling him how to lead his life that he fell asleep in team meeting and dogged it in practice. I think it is utter BS, but that was his excuse.

And by the way, the only one trying to bury Johnson's career was Larry Johnson with imature behavior. **** Vermeil is a Super Bowl winning coach. He doesn't purposely try to sink players careers especially not a guy he invests a first round pick in.

 

[g-fresh]

With the rapid state of decline that the KC o line is in I'd want to be traded if I were him. He can't take another season with the number of carries that he's been taking there either, he's only got one or two more seasons if they keep that up.

Of course it would make no sense for the Pats or for LJ for him to come here, so I don't think its something we need to be concerned with.

 

[zippo59]

"The one thing we hate is to have somebody who is not African-American come in and say, 'You've got to do this,'" Johnson said.

Could you imagine what would have happened if a white person had said that, about not being able to take orders form someone who isn't white?

About this thread, I don't know if this is a hypothetical questions or not, but since when has a team looking at players at a certain position automatically mean they are dissatisfied with the current players they have at that position. The Patriots worked out Drew Stanton, does that mean we want to get rid of Tom Brady? Doesn't it seem reasonable that you would look for a viable back up for a running back who had a record number of carries last year? Johnson needs another player to take some carries so he can have a career longer than seven years.

 

[Tippett56]

Too many miles on the clock, he may only be 28 but over the last couple of seasons he has had the carries of 2 NFL seasons in each year.

No way that his body can take that for another 3 seasons or so.

Ric