Anyone break down Asante's 10 picks INT-by-INT?

[tombonneau]

Would be curious to see what kind of picks each of those 10 was.

A lot of times, INTs can be a specious number as a pick can sometimes just require a DB to catch a ball a QB threw to him by mistake. Of course, other times a DB makes a great read, breaks on the ball just right, adjusts while the ball is in mid-air, and makes all sorts of fantastic physical plays to get the pick.

The question is, how many of Asante's 10 were Grossman-like Gifts, and how many were great plays?

 

[brdmaverick]

to be fair, we should probably include Asante's playoff picks as well (2)

I will have to give my breakdown later as I am heading to an Easter gathering, but I will list his INT's for those that may forget them

2 vs. Miami Dolphins

1 at Buffalo

3 vs. Chicago

1 vs Detroit

1 vs. Houston

2 at Tennessee

1 vs. New York Jets (Wild Card playoff)

1 at Indianapolis (AFC Championship)

right off the bat I will say that his greatest athletic picks had to be the one in the AFC Championship Game and the first one agains the Bears.

 

[Remix 6]

i think most of Asante's picks were gambles..he jumps a lot of passes.

 

[holyredeemer]

Would be curious to see what kind of picks each of those 10 was.

A lot of times, INTs can be a specious number as a pick can sometimes just require a DB to catch a ball a QB threw to him by mistake. Of course, other times a DB makes a great read, breaks on the ball just right, adjusts while the ball is in mid-air, and makes all sorts of fantastic physical plays to get the pick.

The question is, how many of Asante's 10 were Grossman-like Gifts, and how many were great plays?

I dont understand why what kind of picks he got even matters. I mean, im sure it does to BB and CO. for leverage, but c'mon, the guy caught the balls when they were there. Whether they were gambles, gimmes, or off of deflections. He still caught the ball when we needed him to. Does he deserve as much as hes asking? IMO no. But, I can see how this thread was intended, and I honestly dont understand why.

 

[solman]

I dont understand why what kind of picks he got even matters. I mean, im sure it does to BB and CO. for leverage, but c'mon, the guy caught the balls when they were there. Whether they were gambles, gimmes, or off of deflections. He still caught the ball when we needed him to. Does he deserve as much as hes asking? IMO no. But, I can see how this thread was intended, and I honestly dont understand why.

It goes to the question of how valuable Asante is.

Remember, Asante's primary responsibility on the field is to defend against the pass. That means preventing catches, and limiting yards after catch.

To the extent that generating those interceptions means comming up short in his primary responsibility, Asante's value to the team is diminished.

Remember that in 2006 Asante was an unknown. In 2007 he will factor prominently into opponents' game plans. Opposing QBs will study Asante and learn his tendencies. If there are moves that consistently cause Asante to jump routes (or prevent him from doing so), teams will use these against him.

 

[JoeSixPat]

i think most of Asante's picks were gambles..he jumps a lot of passes.

My perception is just the opposite.. the zone defense as played by the safeties frees him up to take chances... the "gambles" are by design and they only happen when someone is covering behind him

The playoff INT against the Colts is a classic example - Sanders was covering deep specifically so Samuel could go after the ball, and not worry about the player.

One might say this is a knock against Samuel - that he's the product of a system... but I would disagree with that too. Samuels FITS our system well - in that respect he's more valuable to us than I believe he would be to many other teams... of course, he'd fit in well with the Jets, or possibly the Browns for obvious reasons.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

My perception is just the opposite.. the zone defense as played by the safeties frees him up to take chances... the "gambles" are by design and they only happen when someone is covering behind him

The playoff INT against the Colts is a classic example - Sanders was covering deep specifically so Samuel could go after the ball, and not worry about the player.

One might say this is a knock against Samuel - that he's the product of a system... but I would disagree with that too. Samuels FITS our system well - in that respect he's more valuable to us than I believe he would be to many other teams... of course, he'd fit in well with the Jets, or possibly the Browns for obvious reasons.

Well said.

 

[pats1]

I'll break them done one-by-one:

Week 5, Miami @ NE, 2nd quarter:

3-10-MIA28(8:43) (Shotgun) J.Harrington pass short left intended for W.Welker INTERCEPTED by A.Samuel at MIA 36. A.Samuel to MIA 10 for 26 yards (J.Harrington, J.James).

Shotgun 3 WR, 2 RB vs. 3-3 nickel zone. Samuel press on LWR, Hobbs press on left slot, Scott off RWR. Harrington under minimal pressure, stares left side, pass on target. LWR goes outside, Samuel follows only in his zone. Welker is on a 10-yard square-out with Hobbs peeling off (zone). Samuel and Welker converge on the ball – Samuel has inside position and wins the battle.

 

[Pat_Nasty]

It goes to the question of how valuable Asante is.

Remember, Asante's primary responsibility on the field is to defend against the pass. That means preventing catches, and limiting yards after catch.

To the extent that generating those interceptions means comming up short in his primary responsibility, Asante's value to the team is diminished.

You'd have a point if there were any evidence that Samuel truly did "come up short" in terms of preventing completions and YAC. He didn't. As impressive as his INT total was last year, the stat that really sticks out in my mind is that he lead all starting corners in yards allowed per pass attempt against (per footballoutsiders.com).

So even if it turns out that many of Samuel's INTs were "gifts," it still doesn't change the fact that he had a great year last year.

 

[pats1]

Week 5, Miami @ NE, 4th quarter:

3-5-MIA17(10:54) (Shotgun) J.Harrington pass short left intended for W.Welker INTERCEPTED by A.Samuel at MIA 26. A.Samuel to MIA 24 for 2 yards (V.Carey).

Shotgun 3 WR, 2 RB vs. 3-3 nickel. Samuel off LWR, Hobbs showing blitz right slot, Scott off RWR. Harrington under no pressure, stares middle, pumps, pass behind Welker underneath and deflects off Welker’s hands. Samuel is in the right place at the right time – following underneath a crossing route by the LWR - and catches the tip.

 

[Miguel]

You'd have a point if there were any evidence that Samuel truly did "come up short" in terms of preventing completions and YAC. He didn't. As impressive as his INT total was last year, the stat that really sticks out in my mind is that he lead all starting corners in yards allowed per pass attempt against (per footballoutsiders.com)..

http://community.foxsports.com/blog...Charting_Stats_on_DBs_for_the_Wild_Card_Games

"Asante Samuel is your lord and master. He allowed just 4.7 yards per pass, which is the lowest of any cornerback in the league with at least 30 charted passes except for R.W. McQuarters. Except the average pass against McQuarters was FIVE YARDS SHORTER than the average pass against Samuel, and we charted nearly twice as many passes against Samuel because McQuarters is a nickel back. Samuel also had a high 61% stop rate (stopping plays short of success). Ellis Hobbs and Chad Scott had similar, average stats, which is strange because it seemed like Scott was burned constantly. Hobbs was one of the best "

 

[pats1]

Week 7, NE @ Buffalo, 2nd quarter:

3-8-NE23(2:00) J.Losman pass short left intended for L.Evans INTERCEPTED by A.Samuel at NE 13. A.Samuel pushed ob at NE 18 for 5 yards (L.Evans). Receiver and coverage along sideline.

3 WR trips left, TE right, lone RB vs. 4-2 nickel, Samuel only DB short. Losman under no pressure, stares left, pass slightly underthrown on sideline comeback pattern. Samuel stuck like glue to Evans outside and Losman threw it right to him.

 

[zippo59]

http://community.foxsports.com/blog...Charting_Stats_on_DBs_for_the_Wild_Card_Games

"Asante Samuel is your lord and master. He allowed just 4.7 yards per pass, which is the lowest of any cornerback in the league with at least 30 charted passes except for R.W. McQuarters. Except the average pass against McQuarters was FIVE YARDS SHORTER than the average pass against Samuel, and we charted nearly twice as many passes against Samuel because McQuarters is a nickel back. Samuel also had a high 61% stop rate (stopping plays short of success). Ellis Hobbs and Chad Scott had similar, average stats, which is strange because it seemed like Scott was burned constantly. Hobbs was one of the best "

Interesting stuff.

 

[cstjohn17]

My perception is just the opposite.. the zone defense as played by the safeties frees him up to take chances... the "gambles" are by design and they only happen when someone is covering behind him

The playoff INT against the Colts is a classic example - Sanders was covering deep specifically so Samuel could go after the ball, and not worry about the player.

One might say this is a knock against Samuel - that he's the product of a system... but I would disagree with that too. Samuels FITS our system well - in that respect he's more valuable to us than I believe he would be to many other teams... of course, he'd fit in well with the Jets, or possibly the Browns for obvious reasons.

Exactly, he knows the system and knows when to take chances. Our secondary gets trashed on a regular basis but they gave up 10 passing TDs all year. The ones I remember were not a result of CBs taking chances, most were poor Safety support over the top (James Sanders versus Denver) or poor tackling (Hawkins multiple times, most notably in the first game against the Jets.)

 

[zippo59]

Exactly, he knows the system and knows when to take chances. Our secondary gets trashed on a regular basis but they gave up 10 passing TDs all year. The ones I remember were not a result of CBs taking chances, most were poor Safety support over the top (James Sanders versus Denver) or poor tackling (Hawkins multiple times, most notably in the first game against the Jets.)

I might be wrong but I don't think that was Hawkins who missed the tackles in that game. I believe the culprit was Wilson, and to some extent Hobbs.

 

[cstjohn17]

I might be wrong but I don't think that was Hawkins who missed the tackles in that game. I believe the culprit was Wilson, and to some extent Hobbs.

No you are right, it may have been both (Hawkins and Wilson) but it was Wilson that layed the lumber to the WR but he fell on a Patriot got up and ran un-touched into the end zone. I was thinking of the one in the playoffs when Hawkins took a bad angle and they guy ran all the way down the field.


Ps. Pats 1 thank you for the breakdowns.

 

[Remix 6]

I might be wrong but I don't think that was Hawkins who missed the tackles in that game. I believe the culprit was Wilson, and to some extent Hobbs.

Hawkins missed his fair share. in the playoff game he got beat by Cotchery..he wasnt quick enough to get to him in open field and couldnt turn around qick enough to get a hand on him..stiff hips/slow agility. also against LT im pretty sure he missed again

on the first Jets game when Coles made a nice play: Wilson overran him and Coles cut and then he went to left and Sanders had to dive over a pile and couldnt get to him and then Hobbs got beat to the right(got a hand on him but couldnt get him )

 

[zippo59]

No you are right, it may have been both (Hawkins and Wilson)but it was Wilson that layed the lumber to the WR but he fell on a Patriot got up and ran un-touched into the end zone. I was thinking of the one in the playoffs when Hawkins took a bad angle and they guy ran all the way down the field.


Ps. Pats 1 thank you for the breakdowns.

Actually that was Chad Scott and the Patriot he landed on was Wilson.

I don't blame Scott for that play. It was a big hit but due to some crazy circumstances (and a heck of play by Cotchery) he wasn't down.

But I believe Wilson missed a tackle which led to Coles long touchdown.

 

[patsfan55]

No you are right, it may have been both (Hawkins and Wilson) but it was Wilson that layed the lumber to the WR but he fell on a Patriot got up and ran un-touched into the end zone. I was thinking of the one in the playoffs when Hawkins took a bad angle and they guy ran all the way down the field.


Ps. Pats 1 thank you for the breakdowns.

hawkins took AWFUL angles in the jets playoff game, and the chargers playoff game

 

[pats1]

I'm done for tonight, but I'll do some more tomorrow night.