Charles Johnson LB-Georgia?? BOX???

[italia44]

Box-do you have anything on this guy?

C Johnson LB-GA....PFT has him going early 2nd round.

Thanks

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Box-do you have anything on this guy?

C Johnson LB-GA....PFT has him going early 2nd round.

Thanks

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6022
Weight: 270
40 Yrd Dash: 4.84
20 Yrd Dash: 2.77
10 Yrd Dash: 1.63
Wonderlic:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 33
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 9'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill: 7.50
Chose not to do shuttles

Dates: 03/20/07
Height: 6022
Weight: 270
40 Yrd Dash: 4.75
20 Yrd Dash: 2.74
10 Yrd Dash: 1.58

A late bloomer, Johnson moved into the starting lineup for the Bulldogs as a junior, teaming with Quentin Moses to form one of college football's elite defensive end tandems. With Moses usually seeing double-team coverage, it allowed Johnson to wreak havoc in the opposing backfield, where he ended up generating 30 quarterback pressures while leading the team with 9.5 sacks and pacing the Southeastern Conference with 19 tackles behind the line of scrimmage.

Compares To: DERRICK BURGESS-Oakland...Like Burgess, Johnson compensates for a lack of height and bulk with a quick first step off the ball. He is better playing off the edge, as he has the burst to close and pressure the pocket in the short area. He works well down the line, but needs to open his hips up quicker in attempts to redirect. He plays with good urgency, but does get frustrated when his initial move fails and needs to develop a nastier streak. Even with his foot speed, he might not be a fit for linebacker in a 3-4 alignment, as he lacks the loose hips and backpedal agility to cover receivers in the intermediate or deep zones.

I didn't see him doing LB drills (curse NFL Network's poor coverage), but see how his measurables compare to a similar player whom I did see running smoothly in LB drills:

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6046
Weight: 274
40 Yrd Dash: 4.92
20 Yrd Dash: 2.81
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59
Wonderlic:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 26
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 9'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.35
3-Cone Drill: 7.19


Dates: 03/07/07
Height: 6046
Weight: 274
40 Yrd Dash: 4.74
20 Yrd Dash: 2.70
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59

Often overshadowed by All-American Adam Carriker at the other defensive end position for the Huskers, [Jay] Moore is called a high-energy type by the coaching staff whose ability to neutralize the outside running game was a big reason for the team's success in 2006.

The "open" defensive end position that Moore played allowed him to freelance quite a bit, and his change of direction agility saw him make more than half of his career tackles out of his own territory. The defense's "bend, but don't break" approach and Moore's range along the perimeter helped keep the opponents from finding the end zone often, as the Huskers ranked second in the Big 12 Conference and 24th nationally, allowing only 18.29 points per game in 2006.

Compares To: CHRIS KELSAY-Buffalo...Moore is sort of the Ed McMahon to Adam Carriker's Johnny Carson. He lets others get the recognition and while he might lack the physically imposing body that Carriker has, he compensates with a high motor and outstanding range. Yes, he's a bit of an overachiever and can get out of control when pursuing a quarterback, but if given a clean path to the ball, he will do whatever it takes to make the play. He is the type who won't be your best lineman, but he will create a spark up front. For teams using a 3-4 alignment, Moore's speed and ability to drop back in pass coverage might make him a more inviting target than to those that play with just a base defense.

I see CJ squared as a 4-3 DE, but PFT can have their fantasies.

 

[mavfan2390]

Box where do you get these reports bro? They're great!

 

[Warren94]

- Johnson can play in a one or two gap scheme
- Shows very good strength at the point of attack
- Has the quickness to string plays outside
- Could use his hands better to ward off blocks
Pass Rush - A power pass rusher, and a good one.
- He's got a nice variety of pass rush moves
- Gets consistent penetration
- Holds his ground thanks for a good leg drive
Pursuit - Average when it comes to getting through the trash
- Has the speed to make plays outside
- High effort player with a good motor
Tackling - Wraps his man up and drags him down
- Not afraid to be physical
- Stays low on his man when going to tackle
Initial Quickness - Johnson has above average quickness off the snap
- Gets into his stance quickly and attacks
- Plays with very good short area quickness
Recognition - Average in terms of block recognition
- Seems to have very good instincts for the position
- Finds the ball and takes the best path to get there
Neutralize Block - Likes to use quickness to beat the 1 on 1
- He has the power to fight through the double
- Only average in terms of anchoring
- Plays low and stands up offensive lineman
Key & diagnose - Run/pass diagnoses skills are above average
- Shows the ability to adjust on the move
- Overall he's got a good feel for the game
Overall: Charles Johnson is a defensive force that must be accounted for every second he's on the field. The 270+ pound defensive end racked finished with 9.5 sacks on the season as well as ranking tenth in college football in terms of tackles for a loss. A smart player who understands the game, Johnson has the ability to come right onto an NFL team and make an impact from day one. He's decided to enter the draft early and currently ranks as one of the top three defensive ends in this class. He should be selected around the top fifteen.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Box where do you get these reports bro? They're great!

NFLDraftScout.com $25/year. (Those were just highlights I grabbed, there is much more detail if you choose to subscribe.)

 

[sebman2112]

NFLDraftScout.com $25/year. (Those were just highlights I grabbed, there is much more detail if you choose to subscribe.)

Does the subscription version at NFLDraftScout.com have a lot more info than the version they give to NFL.com?

Here's Jay Moore's profile at NFL.com (from nfldraftscout.com)

 

[PATSNUTme]

He's only started one year and that was at DE. Has a high motor and plays hard. Can get bounced around and has touble with double teams. Has a good upside.

Sounds to me as 4-3 De type who could be very good in that type of defense. Questionable if he can play OLB in a 3-4.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Does the subscription version at NFLDraftScout.com have a lot more info than the version they give to NFL.com?

Here's Jay Moore's profile at NFL.com (from nfldraftscout.com)

Roughly twice as much information, though most of it is breakdowns of his stats for each year he played and some open source articles collected in one spot. The NFL.com stuff is the core analysis they've done on the player. The nice thing they do is allow you to sort players by measurables, such as 3-cone speeds. You can see at a glance which DEs can turn the corner fastest. You can also go back and do a comparison between a current NFL player and the prospects you are looking at. They are in the process of getting their print reports scanned in and digitized so they can update their records back to the 80's. Right now you can look at Hobbs scouting report and compare it to similar CBs in this class. I don't remember if Asante's is there, I do know they had some measurables on him.

 

[italia44]

Thanks,Box.......Johnson practically feels like a relative,now!

 

[SamBamsFan]

Actually, based on his production I thought he warranted a glance. He is undersized for our DE needs- and I never saw him projected as a LB until this week. With his small frame does anyone know his arm length? I wondered if he was the type that might excell in College but get swallowed up in the Pros.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Actually, based on his production I thought he warranted a glance. He is undersized for our DE needs- and I never saw him projected as a LB until this week. With his small frame does anyone know his arm length? I wondered if he was the type that might excell in College but get swallowed up in the Pros.

Arms: 32 7/8"

 

[sebman2112]

Roughly twice as much information, though most of it is breakdowns of his stats for each year he played and some open source articles collected in one spot. The NFL.com stuff is the core analysis they've done on the player. The nice thing they do is allow you to sort players by measurables, such as 3-cone speeds. You can see at a glance which DEs can turn the corner fastest. You can also go back and do a comparison between a current NFL player and the prospects you are looking at. They are in the process of getting their print reports scanned in and digitized so they can update their records back to the 80's. Right now you can look at Hobbs scouting report and compare it to similar CBs in this class. I don't remember if Asante's is there, I do know they had some measurables on him.

I liked Hobbs in '05, and really liked NE's selecting him. Some gave me a bunch of slack when I was calling for NE to start Ellis when Starks started to stink it up, but I didn't get so much slack when Ellis actually played better than Starks ever came close to (in a NE uniform). One guy over on ESPN still hates on Ellis, though.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I liked Hobbs in '05, and really liked NE's selecting him. Some gave me a bunch of slack when I was calling for NE to start Ellis, when Starks started to stink it up, but I didn't get so much slack when Ellis actually played better than Starks ever came close to (in a NE uniform). One guy over on ESPN still hates on Ellis, though.

Strange, people actually hating on Ellis, who'd have thunk it.

 

[SamBamsFan]

Arms: 32 7/8"

Kind of says Tampa-2 to me.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Kind of says Tampa-2 to me.

Those are good for a 6'2" player.

 

[sebman2112]

Strange, people actually hating on Ellis, who'd have thunk it.

Oh what, you think he sucks? Started half the season as a rookie, and started most of this season with a cast on. I think the little guy's developing pretty well, and I think he did pretty good in the playoffs. I'm for sure not on the Ellis hate train, and I know BB isn't either. After the season Asante Samuel complained that BB put Ellis against the Bills top receiver (Lee Evens). Asante thought he should have been on Lee Evens instead. Thing is, Ellis shuts Lee Evens down. In the playoffs against the Chargers that's probably an INT of Hobbs hadn't been wearing a cast. He probably could've made at least two more INT's in the playoffs, if not for the cast. He's not a top CB, and not on any type of probowl level, but he's not a bad CB either, and I actually think he's starting to develop into a pretty good little CB. I think he's going to surprise some of you in '08. I just wish he could grow a few inches, lol!

 

[sebman2112]

Kind of says Tampa-2 to me.

What does David Harris' 30¾-inch arm length say, then?

Not a bash against Harris, but he's got some of the shortest arms out of all the potential ILB's, and a lot on here have him in their top two/three at 3-4 ILB.

 

[patchick]

What does David Harris' 30¾-inch arm length say, then?

Not a bash against Harris, but he's got some of the shortest arms out of all the potential ILB's, and a lot on here have him in their top two/three at 3-4 ILB.

That's definitely my #1 worry with Harris. Short arms can make life difficult for an ILB. I wish that kind of measurement was more readily available -- anybody know a site that reports arm length?

 

[sebman2112]

That's definitely my #1 worry with Harris. Short arms can make life difficult for an ILB. I wish that kind of measurement was more readily available -- anybody know a site that reports arm length?

They have arm lengths for a lot of prospects at NFL.com

I did a list of LB arm lengths on here awhile ago.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

You're preaching to the choir reverend!

Oh what, you think he sucks? Started half the season as a rookie, and started most of this season with a cast on. I think the little guy's developing pretty well, and I think he did pretty good in the playoffs. I'm for sure not on the Ellis hate train, and I know BB isn't either. After the season Asante Samuel complained that BB put Ellis against the Bills top receiver (Lee Evens). Asante thought he should have been on Lee Evens instead. Thing is, Ellis shuts Lee Evens down. In the playoffs against the Chargers that's probably an INT of Hobbs hadn't been wearing a cast. He probably could've made at least two more INT's in the playoffs, if not for the cast. He's not a top CB, and not on any type of probowl level, but he's not a bad CB either, and I actually think he's starting to develop into a pretty good little CB. I think he's going to surprise some of you in '08. I just wish he could grow a few inches, lol!