I hope Jack Tatum has trouble living w/ himself

[patsfan55]

honestly i never wish bad things upon ppl
but for the fact that this guy had 30 yrs to try and make up for what he did by apoligizing to stingley
not for the hit, but at least for what hapenned
unless, he really didnt mind him gettin paralyzed, and eventually dying from it
i really hope this guy has trouble lookin in the mirror, cuz after 30 yrs of doin nothing, thats what he deserves

 

[PATRIOT64]

honestly i never wish bad things upon ppl
but for the fact that this guy had 30 yrs to try and make up for what he did by apoligizing to stingley
not for the hit, but at least for what hapenned
unless, he really didnt mind him gettin paralyzed, and eventually dying from it
i really hope this guy has trouble lookin in the mirror, cuz after 30 yrs of doin nothing, thats what he deserves

I truly believe the reason Tatum has never contacted Stingley was for a few simple facts

1) He was known as a hard hitter and any remorse given to Darryl would have leaked out somehow in the media and brought him down to a soft sensitive type of guy who actually cared and he could not let people think he was anything other than a raving lunatic safety and wanted WRs to always fear they were going to be next and stay away from his side of the field.

2) He was an Arrogant part of an arrogant team that still has those types of delinquents playing for them today (Porter,Moss,Gabriel ect)

3) Simply he felt deep down to himself that his hit was not intentionally meant to paralyze Darryl but his ego stood in the way of doing the right thing like apologizing to Darryl.

4) Cannot admit to himself deep down inside he was the reason a man could never walk again and any type of admittance would be his undoing.

He was just ****y and arrogant which leads to him being the jerk that he still is today.

 

[patsfan55]

I truly believe the reason Tatum has never contacted Stingley was for a few simple facts

1) He was known as a hard hitter and any remorse given to Darryl would have leaked out somehow in the media and brought him down to a soft sensitive type of guy who actually cared and he could not let people think he was anything other than a raving lunatic safety and wanted WRs to always fear they were going to be next and stay away from his side of the field.

2) He was an Arrogant part of an arrogant team that still has those types of delinquents playing for them today (Porter,Moss,Gabriel ect)

3) Simply he felt deep down to himself that his hit was not intentionally meant to paralyze Darryl but his ego stood in the way of doing the right thing like apologizing to Darryl.

4) Cannot admit to himself deep down inside he was the reason a man could never walk again and any type of admittance would be his undoing.

He was just ****y and arrogant which leads to him being the jerk that he still is today.

my prob is that even if it wasnt his intent
and he wasnt sorry for goin after him with a hard hit
at least apologize for the outcome
but that never happened

 

[PATRIOT64]

my prob is that even if it wasnt his intent
and he wasnt sorry for goin after him with a hard hit
at least apologize for the outcome
but that never happened

Now don't forget Tatum lost his left leg to Diabetes and his right one was screwed up from a dozen operations - Turnaround is fair play and came from a 'Higher Authority' than any player could do on the field.

 

[primetime]

Now don't forget Tatum lost his left leg to Diabetes and his right one was screwed up from a dozen operations - Turnaround is fair play and came from a 'Higher Authority' than any player could do on the field.

What goes around comes around. It's hard to say anyone deserves what they get when an injury like that is accidental (while the dirtiness was intentional, the result was not), but if anyone did, it'd be Jack Tatum.

 

[Tunescribe]

I agree with those who say Tatum need not have apologized to Stingley for the hit. But he should have shown concern for him as a fellow player and human being for what Stingley went through because of it.

 

[DarrylS]

Not as long as Madden keeps defending him, an article from this AM Chicago Tribune...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-070405madden,1,7606556.story?coll=chi-news-hed

On his radio show on San Francisco's KCBS on Thursday morning, Madden described Stingley and Tatum as "good guys."

Madden was upset that initial reports of Stingley's death Thursday had Tatum hitting Stingley from behind.

"He didn't hit him from behind," Madden said. "The ball was thrown, it was a slant by the goal line. Darryl Stingley was coming in, Jack was sitting in the middle. He made the reaction he has been taught all his life to make.

"There was a collision, and Darryl was in the air and put his head down a little in the collision. It was an accident that happened. There was no one to fault."

"[Darryl] and I became pretty close," Madden said. "He was really a good guy. And Jack Tatum's a good guy. It was just one of those things when it happens right in front of you it puts a feeling in your gut that never goes away."

 

[Peytonsbetter]

The most incredible part of this whole saga is the fact that Stingley didn't hold a grudge against Tatum. He wished Tatum would have at least contacted him, but he didn't hate him because he didn't.

To me, that made Stingley a VERY wise and noble man.

 

[TealSox]

Arthur Whittington (sp?), rookie running back the year Tatum laid that brutal hit, called in on NFL Network on Sirius and had some things to say about it. Whittington said that after seeing that hit, he never looked at a hit the same way. He got choked up and had trouble putting to words how he felt about the situation.

He said that Tatum tried to contact the Stingley family, but they were unreceptive to his attempts. I don't know how true that is or how true it is that Tatum felt bad about the situation.

I respect what Whittington had to say only because we have a mutual friend and I know both gentlemen are high character individuals.

 

[DarrylS]

Comments for Tatum, from the Raider Org, posted on the Hartford Courant:

http://www.courant.com/sports/footb...pr06,0,3585288.story?coll=hc-headlines-sports

"I am deeply saddened by the death of Darryl Stingley," Tatum said in a statement released by the Raiders. "Darryl will be forever remembered for his strength and courage. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family."

That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, really deep and meaningful.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I truly believe the reason Tatum has never contacted Stingley was for a few simple facts

1) He was known as a hard hitter and any remorse given to Darryl would have leaked out somehow in the media and brought him down to a soft sensitive type of guy who actually cared and he could not let people think he was anything other than a raving lunatic safety and wanted WRs to always fear they were going to be next and stay away from his side of the field.

I remember when the Lawrence Taylor hit on Joe
Theisman mangled his leg and ended his career. LT was the first one waving for the trainer and doctors to come on the field and no one thought of him as soft. It was a classy move but then again the injury happened during a clean hit.......

 

[DarrylS]

I truly believe the reason Tatum has never contacted Stingley was for a few simple facts

1) He was known as a hard hitter and any remorse given to Darryl would have leaked out somehow in the media and brought him down to a soft sensitive type of guy who actually cared and he could not let people think he was anything other than a raving lunatic safety and wanted WRs to always fear they were going to be next and stay away from his side of the field.

2) He was an Arrogant part of an arrogant team that still has those types of delinquents playing for them today (Porter,Moss,Gabriel ect)

3) Simply he felt deep down to himself that his hit was not intentionally meant to paralyze Darryl but his ego stood in the way of doing the right thing like apologizing to Darryl.

4) Cannot admit to himself deep down inside he was the reason a man could never walk again and any type of admittance would be his undoing.

He was just ****y and arrogant which leads to him being the jerk that he still is today.

This makes no sense, to be a hard hitter and good sportsman is not mutually exclusive... from what I have read Tatum felt he was in the right and he was backed up by John Madden.. he could have been remembered as a man who reconciled his differences with Darryl, but he chose not to. Tatum is wrong here pure and simple, there is nothing that will ever make this different.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Not as long as Madden keeps defending him, an article from this AM Chicago Tribune...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-070405madden,1,7606556.story?coll=chi-news-hed

On his radio show on San Francisco's KCBS on Thursday morning, Madden described Stingley and Tatum as "good guys."

Madden was upset that initial reports of Stingley's death Thursday had Tatum hitting Stingley from behind.

"He didn't hit him from behind," Madden said. "The ball was thrown, it was a slant by the goal line. Darryl Stingley was coming in, Jack was sitting in the middle. He made the reaction he has been taught all his life to make.

"There was a collision, and Darryl was in the air and put his head down a little in the collision. It was an accident that happened. There was no one to fault."

"[Darryl] and I became pretty close," Madden said. "He was really a good guy. And Jack Tatum's a good guy. It was just one of those things when it happens right in front of you it puts a feeling in your gut that never goes away."

he's no friend of the patriots. remember, this is the same John Madden who wanted the Patriots to throw in the towel and wait sheepishly for overtime in XXXVI. also, while Madden has made great contributions to the game, that doesn't mean i have to respect him as a human being.

 

[psychoPat]

In the stickied thread containing Bob George's moving tribute to Stingley
tuckeverlasting said this:
.... i can't tell you how unbeleivably frightening that play was. jack tatum should be ashamed of what he did that day. i will never be able to stomach whatever bs comes forth as an excuse from that a hole. it was an exhibition game, stingley reached for the ball, and tatum , as he always did, went for the head. f tatum and all his problems and f the raiders.

I didn't want to sully that memorial thread to Darryl
with any further mention of the self-styled "assassin"
but here it seems ok to mention that this is precisely why
so very many fans throughout the league
loathe and despise the entire Raider organization
... and wish it godspeed as it crumbles.

 

[He Ban Me]

he's no friend of the patriots. remember, this is the same John Madden who wanted the Patriots to throw in the towel and wait sheepishly for overtime in XXXVI. also, while Madden has made great contributions to the game, that doesn't mean i have to respect him as a human being.

Hold on there, big fella. Per THIS BOARD, it was MADDEN who was first to arrive at Stingley's bedside. It was MADDEN who had to call the Pats and tell them to get someone over there. It was MADDEN who Stingley credits with saving him from asphyxiating (sp??) in the hospital when his breathing tube got obstructed. And Madden is no friend to the Pats because of his comments during a SB??

FWIW, also, many here do recognize that although unnecessary, the hit was not illegal. I AGREE it WAS tragic. Tatum's reaction to it was appalling, and he certainly lacked contrition, no doubt.

In the end though, no reason to hate Madden for coming to the defense of his player(in terms of the actual hit and how it has been perceived).

 

[Fixit]

Tatum wrote in his books how he would try to hurt guys. He's proud of it, just like you know that behind closed doors he's proud of the hit he laid on Stingley. He tried to use Stingley's situation to promote his book and cash in. He, and everyone like him (I'm looking at you, Romanowski) is an absolute lowlife whose eventual removal from the world will make it a better place.

 

[captain stone]

Comments for Tatum, from the Raider Org, posted on the Hartford Courant:

http://www.courant.com/sports/footb...pr06,0,3585288.story?coll=hc-headlines-sports

"I am deeply saddened by the death of Darryl Stingley," Tatum said in a statement released by the Raiders. "Darryl will be forever remembered for his strength and courage. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family."

That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, really deep and meaningful.

What are the odds that "The Ass-ass-in" composed those words, without proof-reading or prodding, all by himself?

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Hold on there, big fella. Per THIS BOARD, it was MADDEN who was first to arrive at Stingley's bedside. It was MADDEN who had to call the Pats and tell them to get someone over there. It was MADDEN who Stingley credits with saving him from asphyxiating (sp??) in the hospital when his breathing tube got obstructed. And Madden is no friend to the Pats because of his comments during a SB??

FWIW, also, many here do recognize that although unnecessary, the hit was not illegal. I AGREE it WAS tragic. Tatum's reaction to it was appalling, and he certainly lacked contrition, no doubt.

In the end though, no reason to hate Madden for coming to the defense of his player(in terms of the actual hit and how it has been perceived).

This discussion has made me see that I was wrong about Madden and so I admit I was wrong. I just can't reconcile his proper and even heroic behavior after the tragedy with his support and encouragement of Tatum and his Raiders' approach to the game.

But, while acknowledging other points of view, I still agree with those who were actually present that the hit was illegal and I can't bring myself to accept Tatum, who has played word games with this since the event itself.