Pats "extremely interested" in Anthony Gonzalez

[ayjackson]

Really, I look at two plays....The phantom PI call on Hobbs in the end zone, and the obvious PI non-call on Harper (I think it was Harper) in the end zone.

And a third, maybe even bigger call, was the offensive pass interference on Troy Brown (we were going in for 28 - 3 at the time I think and penalties took us out of FG range?). The defender just got the worst of his own bump. I hated that call and it stopped our drive and momentum switched soon after.

 

[zippo59]

Hopefully the ability to catch passes in the AFC CHampionship game when he is:

A) Uncovered on the line of scrimmage; and

B) Wide open in the end zone.

And you're saying we have no receivers who can do that?

 

[zippo59]

Amen brother!

In my book the reason the Pats lost the AFC championship game was Reche Caldwell. Say what you will about Indy TE's running wild and that Reche got us passed San Diego, but for my money, he dropped two or three balls and those drops hurt badly.

Yeah, it looked like Caldwell was out there giving up the 32 points on defense in the second half. Didn't you see him playing linebacker?

 

[AzPatsFan]

We know they're inclined to keep Stallworth and Welker.

We think they're inclined to keep each of Caldwell, Gaffney, Washington, Jackson, and Brown.

They'd have to really love a guy to add him to the mix, because he'd be taking a roster spot from someone else they'd really like to keep.

I think.

One could also argue that anybody else they draft will also push a like-to-keep guy off the roster elsewhere.

The only place on the Patriots that is NOT true is at ILB and QB.

 

[tombonneau]

And you're saying we have no receivers who can do that?

We have one WR who has proven he can't.

And yes, I agree with others that the D was really what cost us that game. Just was pointing out in a wiseass-ish way that the bulk of the Pats WR aren't exactly the roster lock studs everyone seems to think they are.

 

[spacecrime]

We have one WR who has proven he can't.

bs. everyone one of our WRs has caught a pass in the endzone. We have no WRs who have proven that they cannot.

What we have are a total set of WRs who have proven that they cannot catch every TD pass thrown to them.

Making personnel decisions based on one or two games or one or two dropped passes, instead of the body of work, is about the dumbest thing you can do.

You don't cut Seymour because he whiffed a tackle. You do cut a cut who consistently whiffs and rarely makes tackles.

If you didn't think Caldwell did well all year long, fine. Everyone has an opinion, and yours is as valid as anyone else's. But guys who are on Caldwell because of a bad game and choose to ignore the fact that he was significant in getting the division crown to begin with are playing with half a deck. And it ain't the aces and face cards, either

 

[VJCPatriot]

If you didn't think Caldwell did well all year long, fine. Everyone has an opinion, and yours is as valid as anyone else's. But guys who are on Caldwell because of a bad game and choose to ignore the fact that he was significant in getting the division crown to begin with are playing with half a deck. And it ain't the aces and face cards, either

Let's try not to hijack the thread alright? It's about the Pat's interest in A. Gonzalez, not Caldwell. I believe there is already a rather long thread on the latter person who should no longer be named!

 

[skaIownsIyou]

Would likely be #2. What sucks is that the Pats have put themselves in a situation where they have 6 guys, but one is likely retiring this year, and then four of the rest have contracts that essentially expire after this season.
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drafting gonzo, then making him a #2....theres a 0% chance that makes any sense....absolutely no way BB would do that....you know why? b/c BB is not a moron...

there are 4 receivers, as you said, that are in their contract year...gaffney and caldwell, they were both considered scrub receivers, and thanks to BB, Brady, and the pats organization, both receivers, at least gaffney, who proved to be a key "go to guy" in the playoffs, has had their careers rejuvinated, caldwell and gaffney were both 2nd round draft picks....but never made a name for themselves until Brady started throwing the ball to them....and now that they are in their last year in their contract, assuming welker is the set #3, they will be fighting for that #1/2 spot, given that stallworth injures himself, which is almost a given....they would try a whole lot harder than gonzo will to get open and become a weapon on the offense, and also, they've had a year or half a year with brady, along with 3-4 years in the nfl....

without brady, caldwell and gaffney are scrubs, so they would do all they can to get that extension...

gonzo is a great receiver, and by far the best receiver osu had last year, and proved to be a great heads up/go to guy for smith as smith scrambled around, and he would make a good addition to the pats, but not worth #28 in the first round....i like S nelson at 28


even if the pats draft gonzo, and he stays healthy, he's going to be at the back of the line....

 

[skaIownsIyou]

Yeah, it looked like Caldwell was out there giving up the 32 points on defense in the second half. Didn't you see him playing linebacker?

lol well put....reche didnt give up 32 points...

 

[skaIownsIyou]

If we take a guy in round 1-4 he better be able to beat someone out. Not that I would really mind someone beating out Gaffeny or Washington.

For 2007 I would say we have 6 chairs for WR. Stallworth gets one for talent, Welker gets one for versitilty, Brown gets one for respect, Jackson gets one for potential, Caldwell gets one for continutiy, that leaves one chair open. Even if Jackson starts out on the PUP, one would hope he comes back and who-ever is keeping his place warm is going have to go.

1. is brown even signed?

2. i'm sorry, did we all forget gaffney's postseason numbers already??

postseason -

week 1 vs Jets - wildcard

Jabar Gaffney - 8 rec. 104 yards 0 TD (lead the team in rec. and yards)


week 2 vs Chargers - divisional

Jabar Gaffney - 10 rec. 103 yards 1 TD (lead the team in rec. and yards)


week 3 vs Colts - AFCC

Jabar Gaffney - 3 rec. 37 yards 1 TD (patriots only rec. td)


if getting 21 receptions 244 yards and 2 TDs, in 3 games is deemed worthy to get cut....

then every single patriot receiver should be cut, b/c none of them were as productive as gaffney was....oh btw, this was the POSTSEASON,....


to say you wouldnt mind a rookie beating out the best receiver the pats had in the postseason of the 06 season....

wow just wow..

 

[spacecrime]

Let's try not to hijack the thread alright?

Huh? I'm not trying to hijack any thread. I just read the posts and then respond to them. If the posts are about Caldwell, then responses to those posts are about Caldwell.

Go back and find who first starting posting about Caldwell, and then you may find who hijacked the thread and changed it into a Caldwell thread.

My guess, though, is that no one hijacked the thread and turned it into a Caldwell thread. When you talk about adding a WR to the mix, it is pretty natural to discuss how that person might fit into the mix with the other WRs, including Caldwell, and perhaps that is why you think this thread is now about Caldwell, whereas it is about Gonzalez and Caldwell is only of interest as relates to WRs.

 

[spacecrime]

1. is brown even signed?

2. i'm sorry, did we all forget gaffney's postseason numbers already??

postseason -

week 1 vs Jets - wildcard

Jabar Gaffney - 8 rec. 104 yards 0 TD (lead the team in rec. and yards)


week 2 vs Chargers - divisional

Jabar Gaffney - 10 rec. 103 yards 1 TD (lead the team in rec. and yards)


week 3 vs Colts - AFCC

Jabar Gaffney - 3 rec. 37 yards 1 TD (patriots only rec. td)


if getting 21 receptions 244 yards and 2 TDs, in 3 games is deemed worthy to get cut....

then every single patriot receiver should be cut, b/c none of them were as productive as gaffney was....oh btw, this was the POSTSEASON,....


to say you wouldnt mind a rookie beating out the best receiver the pats had in the postseason of the 06 season....

wow just wow..

Of course we wouldn't mind. What is wrong with open competition and the best players get to stay? If Gaffney is as good as you think, then imagine how good our WR force will be when he gets cut. All six WRs, seven if Gonzales is drafted, will have proven to be better than him. We will have a tremendous WR group.

Three games do not a lock make. I hope he does well. So far in his career he has not, and had only an okay year with us.

One of the WRs probably isn't ging to make it, and the way it looks now, Gaffney is the odd man out. We'll see after preseason.

 

[VJCPatriot]

This is why you repeat the name Caldwell 8 times in one post. Right... Back to your regularly scheduled thread now...

Huh? I'm not trying to hijack any thread. I just read the posts and then respond to them. If the posts are about Caldwell, then responses to those posts are about Caldwell.

Go back and find who first starting posting about Caldwell, and then you may find who hijacked the thread and changed it into a Caldwell thread.

My guess, though, is that no one hijacked the thread and turned it into a Caldwell thread. When you talk about adding a WR to the mix, it is pretty natural to discuss how that person might fit into the mix with the other WRs, including Caldwell, and perhaps that is why you think this thread is now about Caldwell, whereas it is about Gonzalez and Caldwell is only of interest as relates to WRs.

 

[tombonneau]

drafting gonzo, then making him a #2....theres a 0% chance that makes any sense....absolutely no way BB would do that....you know why? b/c BB is not a moron...

Sorry, I think you misunderstood me. When I said #2, I meant option #2 I listed above, i.e. one of Washington, Gaffney or Caldwell would have to go to make room for Gonzo. Not that Gonzo would be the #2 WR on the team (though I don't think that would happen it is not entirely farfetched).

As far as Gaffney & Caldwell, they are both competent WRs, but that is it. No more, no less.

I don't care what Gaffney's playoff stats were, I know what I saw with my eyes, I saw a guy who was a decent WR, but nothing special.

If the Pats think they have a chance at drafting a potentially special WR at the expense of having to cut a known simply competent WR, I think they would do it.

And if they do draft Gonzo or another WR in R1 and have to cut one of Caldwell or Gaffney, don't expect either to be employed by another NFL team immediately.

And as far as the whole Caldwell debate, yes, he had a decent year. But there are other WRs who could have had exactly similar stats if put in that situation. Any merely competent NFL WR could have done what he did.

But when you play for the Patriots, it is not like you play for the Browns or the Lions. You are likely going to be in a situation where ONE PLAY can be the difference in the SB or going home.

Caldwell failed when presented with two of those plays.

Yes, he made a clutch play vs. SD, but I really think people are too easily dismissing his failure in Indy.

I'm not saying it is costing him his job, but its not like he is a mortal lock to make the roster. The guy is nothing special. Dennis Northcutt would have put up the same numbers in this offense. Sorry, that is reality.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Gonzalez never caught my eye while watching the Buckeyes. His ratings are fair for raw physical skills, good for routes and hands, better for smarts. But this dude is not an impact player, there's near zero chance for him to be a star. Too small, too light, too average in speed, not very physical - Gonzalez is likely a fine college player who may have trouble translating his skills into success in the NFL.

He'd be between Welker and Washington on the depth chart - too low to be taken in the 1st round and (hopefully, in my opinion since I see him as a trap pick with a college game but minimal pro tools) maybe high enough he will fool someone before the Pats come round in the third.

 

[spacecrime]

This is why you repeat the name Caldwell 8 times in one post.

That wasn't hijacking, it was jacking up.

 

[spacecrime]

Just saw the NFL segment on Gonzales. Looks to be quite the person behind the WR. I can see why the Pats are interested. I wouldn't mind seeing the Pats pick him up. He'd look good on the field with Caldwell and the other WRs.

He uses some kind of slight hyperbaric chamber to sleep in. Has been doing it for a year now, says it speeds recovery between games.

His nickname is Gonzo, but he says everyone in his family is nicknamed Gonzo. Kind of goes with being named Gonzales.

 

[skaIownsIyou]

Sorry, I think you misunderstood me. When I said #2, I meant option #2 I listed above, i.e. one of Washington, Gaffney or Caldwell would have to go to make room for Gonzo. Not that Gonzo would be

ah sorry yeah misread it ^^

 

[mgteich]

Do we all agree that if bb had confidence in Caldwell that he likely wouldn't be interested in Gonzo?

 

[patsfan55]

Sure. But our defense also gave up more points in the 2nd half than we had surrendered in an entire game up to that point. Sure, Reche tried to run with the quick hitch before he had it. It would've gone for close to a TD. Of course, his chances would have been enhanced if Brady had seen him right away.

Really, I look at two plays....The phantom PI call on Hobbs in the end zone, and the obvious PI non-call on Harper (I think it was Harper) in the end zone.

And I hate making officials or injuries/illnesses convenient excuses, but those two hurt badly.

agreed 110 percent