7 Round Mock

[Mogamedogz]

BTW, you are the twit who was knocking NFLDraftScout.com only to be shown how stupid you were in citing FoxSports.com who gets their information from NFLDraftScout.com.

A. You are COMPLETELY wrong about Griffin. He is a Wrap up tackler... NOT a "Hitter" type.

B. Stop hurling your internet insults. Especially when you are talking about the WRONG GUY. Foxsports/Draft Scout?? What the hell are you talking about??

 

[AzPatsFan]

Highlight reels are a waste of time and don't truly show how a player is.

As for how he runs inside, what sort of inside running plays was he doing? Draws? I ask because when I read stuff like Fumble-prone and not a good interior runner and poor blocker, it raises flags and makes me shy away.




Santucci is a wasted pick when you consider the commitments the Patriots have made to the interior line. They brought back Yates on a 3 year deal. They also brough back Mruczkowski, though on a 1 year deal. However, Mruczkowski can play center OR guard. From what I saw, Santucci is strictly a guard. They also have Barthelmes (C/G) who has been in the system and whom they made it a point to keep and send to NFLE. Now, Yates is safe for at least this year. I think that Hochstein is also safe for this year. I don't see the Pats carrying more than 5 interior linemen and 4OTs. If you think that Santucci has what it takes to beat out Berthelmes AND Mruczkowski, then you are right, he's not a wasted pick. I don't believe he does.

Can you say that Denman is at least as good as Kaczur, O'Callaghan, Bubin or Britt? I can say that Joe Staley is in that mix. But I can't about Denman. That is why I believe it would be a wasted pick.

A late drafted OT is a possibility, but not a G/C. The candidate(s) may not be better than Bubin, but Bubin has no more PS eligibility. Besides Scar needs a couple of pupils to be training at his grad school...

 

[DaBruinz]

From what I've seen and read, he's a better prospect than most of the guys you listed. Also, from what I understand he might also be able to play center, and is very versatile. He used to be a defensive Linemen, then converted to O-Line. He's 6'3.5" and weighs 301-305lbs. Runs the 40 in 5.13, which is good for an O-linemen. He also had the third fastest three cone (7.47).
Some of the things about his game that I like can be found in this scouting report:NFLDraftCountdown.com

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/dansantucci.html

Really? I'd be willing to bet that Santucci wouldn't be better than Yates or Hochstein. And those are the 2 primary back-ups. He'd have to beat out one of them to make this team. Mruczkowski has 3 years in the system and Barthelmes is entering his second. Oh, btw, its bad

He's better than Britt, and Babin. Also, O'Callaghan had more than one head injury last year, and had some injury problems in college, as well. I think O'Callaghan has all the talent and tools to become a good O-Linemen, but he's still got those same injury concerns. Denman has a lot of what NE looks for in theirO-Linemen, and he also comes from the same program that produced Logan Mankins. Denman is 6'6.5" 315lbs, a really good run blocker, and plays mean. He's also very intelligent, bust his butt for you, has long arms and hands, is very coachable, and durable. He's started 43 games straight at Fresno State.

1st off, the guy's name is BUBIN, not Babin. While I agree with you about O'Callaghan's issues, I don't see Denman being capable of stepping up. BTW, just because Denman came from the same program as Mankins doesn't mean ANYTHING.

Here is what NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN says about Denman:

Is not overly athletic...Lacks power and needs to get stronger...Has to play with better pad level...Range and mobility are lacking...Needs to work on his technique and use of his hands...Isn't a great pass blocker...Struggled at times as a senior.

Britt: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=53422

Bubin:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=58506

For me to believe you that Denman is better than Britt or Bubin, you have to get me to believe that the 15th ranked OT in a draft that doesn't have a lot of OT talent is better than the 10th OT (Britt) of the 2005 draft and the 9th OT (Bubin) of the 2004 draft.

My issue with Denman, more than ANYTHING else is that he's a poor pass blocker. Poor. Tom Brady is the life-blood of this offense. How he goes is how the offense goes. You take him out of the equation because a RT can't pass block and you are basically cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[sebman2112]

Here are some second day picks that I kind of like. I assume that one of the 6th rounders will be used tomove up a little in the third to position for whoever they pick there.

Here are second day picks in no particular order and I've added more than the # of picks since some will be gone:

Zak DeOssie LB
Danny Sepulveda P
Courtney Taylor WR
Josh Gattis S
Paul Soliai NT
Jeff Rowe QB
Lorenzo Booker RB
Toby Korrodi QB as a Free Agent

I like DeOssie, Booker, Josh Gattis, and Courtney Taylor.

Gattis might go mid third, so I wouldn't really count on him being a second day pick. If I knew I could get him in the fourth I'd be pretty happy.
DeOssie to me should go in the fourth, but some have been saying he might go in the third round, so he might not be available during the second day.
Courtney Taylor is a second day guy, but it seems early second.

Soliai was suspended for violating team rules. Because of that suspension he didn't play in their bowl game. I don't think a team is going to suspend one of their best players duing Bowl season or something minor.

 

[DaBruinz]

A late drafted OT is a possibility, but not a G/C. The candidate(s) may not be better than Bubin, but Bubin has no more PS eligibility. Besides Scar needs a couple of pupils to be training at his grad school...

Bubin may just be TC fodder. I don't have him making the roster, but that is more because of the guys in front of him. Personally, I like Staley or Barbre to push for the 4th OT spot. I think they have the abilities to make this team. Staley pushing for a starting position almost immediately. Barbre would probably take a year to start pushing Kaczur, but I believe he could push O'Callaghan, Britt and Bubin now. I don't believe that about Denman.

 

[sebman2112]

Good job on the mock.

Contrary to what others have posted, I can see the Pats taking 2 OL guys in the draft on day 2(an OG and an OT). I think the right side is in need of an upgrade or at worst, some new competition.

If you replace Waters with DeOssie, I'd call that a successful draft for the Pats.

DeOssie won't be there in the fifth round. He's built up a lot of interest after the combine, and not just locally. He's probably going in the third/fourth, now. Also, he's had a few injuries during his playing career, and some required surgery. He's also said he'd rather be an OLB.

 

[sebman2112]

1st off, the guy's name is BUBIN, not Babin.

Accident

Here is what NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN says about Denman:

Those are the negs, here's the Positives:
"Has great size with long arms and the frame to get bigger still...Aggressive and physical...Excels as a run blocker...Stout at the point of attack...Smart and a hard worker with top intangibles...Still improving and hasn't reached his full potential."
scouts Inc:
"Possesses great height and size potential. He continues to add bulk to his frame (40-plus pounds in the last three years). A right tackle prospect with adequate overall strength. Uses his massive frame to engulf smaller defensive ends as a run blocker. Takes solid angles as a run blocker and displays better than average awareness. He does a better job of playing with leverage when setting in pass pro, which is why he is effective anchoring versus more powerful bull rushers. Possesses long arms and big hands, which he uses to overcome his lack of ideal agility in pass pro. He is a feisty player that will fight to finish. Works hard off the field at improving his game and he is very "coachable". Also has been extremely durable throughout his collegiate career."
"has value in the mid-to-late rounds of the draft because he's a big-framed, strong, tough, durable and "coachable" prospect."

Britt:http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=53422
Bubin:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/profile.php?pyid=58506

Would help if I could read those....

For me to believe you that Denman is better than Britt or Bubin, you have to get me to believe that the 15th ranked OT in a draft that doesn't have a lot of OT talent is better than the 10th OT (Britt) of the 2005 draft and the 9th OT (Bubin) of the 2004 draft.

You've got your opinion, and I've got mine. I know I'm not going to change your mind, since we've already had plenty of discussion not only on this topic, but on many topics going back to the ESPN boards. You're probably not going to change my opinion on this subject, either. Also, neither of us has to make the other believe anything. We just have differing opinions which is quite common, and perfectly fine.

I could see them trading some of those picks, anyways. I tried making this mock without trades, and tried to figure out the best players who could possibly still be on the board. Some of the players I wanted to give them in the sixth had early day two grades, and probably wouldn't be on the board that late. Someone likely will fall to one, or both of those picks, but I tried to make this mock as reasonable as possible, when it came to where players are expected to go. Obviously, it's not the final product.