If Lynch Is There at 28...

[mavfan2390]

Do you take him? Do you take him at 24?

We're going to assume that Chris Houston, Aaron Ross, etc., are also still on the board

 

[cstjohn17]

Yes, but he will be long gone. Even at 24 he is a great bargain and I would take him even if Maroney is 100% healthy.

Edit - IMO - I am not a fan of round 1 RB unless you are picking in the top 10 but I see Lynch as a better prospect than Maroney (better speed, short and compact is a better build for a RB and he is a better receiver). You can never have enough RBs, the position always gets banged up.

 

[sebman2112]

there is no guarantee he'll be gone before 24, or 28. I think the chance of him being around at 24 is better than his chances of being around at 28, though. There has been some wispers going around that Lynch could fall down the board a bit, and I personally think this could happen. If Patrick Willis is gone (likely) I'd grab Lynch at 24 without thinking.

Then I would trade 28 for GB's second, third, and 5th round picks. 28th overall is worth 660 points, and picks 47+78+148 (there 2nd, 3rd, and 5th) are worth 662.2 points total.

NE would then have (after comps) one 1st, one 2nd, two 3rds, one 4th, two 5ths, four 6th, and one seventh round pick.

You could trade those two sixth, and that fifth for someones 4th rounder, if you wanted and you would have this (1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5-comp, 6-comp, 6-comp, 7-comp)

 

[dryheat44]

No. There's Adrian Peterson, and there's everybody else. There is some good value to be had in later rounds for all your RB needs...Darius Walker if you want all purpose, DeShaun Wynn for a hammer with deceptive agility, Garrett Wolfe for a shifty home run threat, Kolby Smith for a workhorse with low mileage....

 

[sebman2112]

No. There's Adrian Peterson, and there's everybody else. There is some good value to be had in later rounds for all your RB needs...Darius Walker if you want all purpose, DeShaun Wynn for a hammer with deceptive agility, Garrett Wolfe for a shifty home run threat, Kolby Smith for a workhorse with low mileage....

I'd take these RB's:
Brandon Jackson (all purpose)
Lorenzo Booker (shifting home run threat/third down back/WR)
Dwayne Wright (Solid work horse, who breaks a lot of tackles)
DeShaun Wynn (Same as your description)
Michael Bush (With his second surgery he could fall down the board, and end up being a late rund pick. If he returns to form you got the steal of the draft. If his injury ends up ending his career you didn't spend anything more than a late round pick.)
Chris Henry (Could be a work horse/hammer with the speed and agility to break it 60 yards. Unexperienced, but that also means low mileage on the tires.)

 

[Fantasic4x50x54x59x55]

honestly it depends who is on the board..who has the most value at the time? Is Willis or Nelson available? Those guys are much more valuable to the pats than Lynch could be.

 

[hobbsownscoles]

I see Lynch as a better prospect than Maroney (better speed, short and compact is a better build for a RB and he is a better receiver). You can never have enough RBs, the position always gets banged up.

I dont know about that they are both about 5'11 and 217 coming out of college and maroney is about 220-225 now and both run almost identical 40 times at around 4.47 and maroney is more elusive and I've read scouting reports on Lynch that one of his weaknesses is his receiving skills

 

[cstjohn17]

I dont know about that they are both about 5'11 and 217 coming out of college and maroney is about 220-225 now and both run almost identical 40 times at around 4.47 and maroney is more elusive and I've read scouting reports on Lynch that one of his weaknesses is his receiving skills

You are right, they are almost the same size. Maroney is a little taller but not much, for some reason I thought Lynch was around 5'9.5 - 5'10.

I will still stick with Lynch as a better receiver, from NFL Draft Scout "...Has soft, natural hands and does a good job of catching the ball outside his frame"

Lets throw all that away, the more you look the more the are almost exactly the same in virtually every category. So for the sake of arguement lets call them a wash.

If Lynch is available at 24 and for the sake of arguement he is every bit as good as Maroney would you take him?

I would, immediately we would have one of the best tandems in the league.

 

[patsfan55]

personally, id take him at 24
unless reggie nelson is there

 

[sebman2112]

I dont know about that they are both about 5'11 and 217 coming out of college and maroney is about 220-225 now and both run almost identical 40 times at around 4.47 and maroney is more elusive and I've read scouting reports on Lynch that one of his weaknesses is his receiving skills

Lynch has very good receiving skills, which is part of the reason I like him so much. Seriously, I'd like the see a scouting report that says "his receiving skills are a weakness", if so that scout was sleeping on the job. Can you give me the link?

Watch this (Lynch as a freshmen, pay attention to the catches):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u954RitQV2Y

Watch these 2005 Highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agiNBv_cl5o

Watch this one from 2006, where he displays WR receiving skill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxwFmss2EwA

Emagine Lynch and Maroney in the same backfield? With his dual threat running and Receiving you probably wouldn't have to draft a 3rd down RB to replace Faulk (in the future), and you would have a serious sick two headed backfield.

 

[hobbsownscoles]

Lynch has very good receiving skills, which is part of the reason I like him so much. Seriously, I'd like the see a scouting report that says "his receiving skills are a weakness", if so that scout was sleeping on the job. Can you give me the link?

Watch this (Lynch as a freshmen, pay attention to the catches):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u954RitQV2Y

Watch these 2005 Highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agiNBv_cl5o

Watch this one from 2006, where he displays WR receiving skill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxwFmss2EwA

Emagine Lynch and Maroney in the same backfield? With his dual threat running and Receiving you probably wouldn't have to draft a 3rd down RB to replace Faulk (in the future), and you would have a serious sick two headed backfield.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/marshawnlynch.html

"Is not a great receiver and did not get a lot of reps in college"

 

[sebman2112]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/marshawnlynch.html

"Is not a great receiver and did not get a lot of reps in college"

LOL! I've already b*tched about that guy, so I should have figured it'd be him. I've been trying to tell people they are better off getting their info elsewhere.

Seriously watch those 2006 highlights and tell me he's not a good receiver.

 

[hobbsownscoles]

LOL! I've already b*tched about that guy. I should have figured it'd be him. I've been trying to tell people they are better off getting their info elsewhere.

Seriously watch those 2006 highlights and tell me he's not a good receiver.

My bad thats the only site i really check besides footballsfuture

 

[stinkypete]

Do you take him? Do you take him at 24?

We're going to assume that Chris Houston, Aaron Ross, etc., are also still on the board

No F'n way. If Lynch is there at #24 you trade the pick. Some team desperate for a RB (Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennesee) will overpay for him, you likely get a 2007 value pick plus a 2008 day one pick.

 

[chowder]

Yes, but he will be long gone. Even at 24 he is a great bargain and I would take him even if Maroney is 100% healthy.

Edit - IMO - I am not a fan of round 1 RB unless you are picking in the top 10 but I see Lynch as a better prospect than Maroney (better speed, short and compact is a better build for a RB and he is a better receiver). You can never have enough RBs, the position always gets banged up.

I'd be ecstatic to get Lynch at 24 or 28. I am a Cal fan and alumnus too and watched this kid play alot. He is a game changer and runs tough like Maroney did early in the season. He's also got good character and even if Maroney comes back 100%, i think it's wise to have 2 outstanding RBs on the team to keep each other fresh or in case one gets injured, etc. Sammy Morris, Kevin Faulk, etc could adequately start for a few games if Maroney can't come back immediately but I wouldn't feel comfortable with any of our other current RBs as a starter long term.

I'd rather get Lynch in Rd one and fill in the other roster spots with guys like Weddle, Piscatelli, DeOssie later than to get a DB or LB in the first and settle for one of the other RBs later. This draft is deep in DBs and LBs but only Peterson and Lynch are really game changing RBs (and maybe Leonard) in this draft IMHO.

 

[Seymour93]

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/marshawnlynch.html

"Is not a great receiver and did not get a lot of reps in college"

FWIW, in 36 games for the Gophers, Maroney caught 21 balls for 198 yards. Lynch, meanwhile, had 68 receptions for 600 yards in 35 games for Cal. Jeff Tedford's offense is more pass-happy mind you.

 

[borisman]

Marshawn Lynch = Marshall Faulk.

BOOK IT!!

 

[dryheat44]

Lets throw all that away, the more you look the more the are almost exactly the same in virtually every category. So for the sake of arguement lets call them a wash.

If Lynch is available at 24 and for the sake of arguement he is every bit as good as Maroney would you take him?

I would, immediately we would have one of the best tandems in the league.

I think the idea behind a RB tandem is to have two dissimilar styles. If these two are as carbon copies as you say, the only real value is injury insurance.

 

[sebman2112]

I think the idea behind a RB tandem is to have two dissimilar styles. If these two are as carbon copies as you say, the only real value is injury insurance.

The value would be in having two RB's who are interchangable, to a degree. When one needs a breather there is no dropoff in talent, and with Lynch's catching ability the defense would have to play him differently. Also, you could have them both on the field at the same time. Lynch lines up at WR sometimes, and can be an effective long ball threat. Plus, I think he runs a little better between the tackles, so they are somewhat different.

With them both on the field at the same time you could do so many different things. Really this would be a very hard offense to defense.

Personally I like the two headed backfield, and think it is much better than having one back take all the punishment, then bring a backup who isn't as good when he needs a breather.

If there isn't anybody really good at CB, S, LB on the board at 24 NE should take Lynch. Also, with Lynch on the roster NE wouldn't have to draft Faulk's eventual replacement, since Lynch can fill that role as well.

 

[dryheat44]

Personally I like the two headed backfield, and think it is much better than having one back take all the punishment, then bring a backup who isn't as good when he needs a breather.
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But you're advocating spending first round salaries on two part-time players. That's not going to fly. Too much money in one position that really is fungible behind a good offensive line.