SBB's 7/26 notes....Revis!

[supafly]

I like it better than someone like Kline taking over mainly for experience purpose. He's played in a lot of games recently, and played rather well. He's also a pretty big body.

My biggest concern with a big OL is how much we normally run the hurry up. Can they keep up? It wasn't an issue for a lot of last year because many members of the offense were too inexperience to spend 2011-2012 levels of time in it.

Good point. As far as Cannon's ability (or a bigger OL in general) to run the hurry up, I'm not as personally concerned, but it's a fair question to ponder.

 

[strngplyr]

Good point. As far as Cannon's ability (or a bigger OL in general) to run the hurry up, I'm not as personally concerned, but it's a fair question to ponder.

Edited my own post a few times with som speculation on why they may possibly eliminate the hurry up from being the "base" scheme.

I believe a lot of it was to mask a poor defense, with a potentially very reliable defense we may play an intentionally slower and ball-control oriented offense knowing that we won't need to score every drive. I'm thinking we'll see a lot of the run game and big-play play-action passing, less dink and dunk run a play every 19 seconds or whatever the number was type of offense.

Possibly some "riskier" passes, more downfield oriented, we finally have some receivers with speed AND size, coupled with Gronk's return and domination of the middle portion of the field.

 

[joepatsfan]

I'd be tempted to put him on Sanders. He's more likely to be on the outside.

Have Browner beat the snot out of D. Thomas on the line and have McCourty cover over the top, Dennard on Welker then it might be best to bracket Julius Thomas.

Nah.
Revis on Thomas
Browner on Julius Thomas
Dennard outside on Sanders
Arrington or Ryan in slot on Welker.

That's how to do it

It is a waste to put Revis on Sanders. We aren't paying this guy 12 million to cover freaking #2/3 options. Dennard can shut down Sanders imo.

Julius Thomas showed he was too much for Collins in the AFCCG so BB went out and got Browner to cover JThomas in this year's AFCCG.

Revis gets the #1 no matter what. Even if bill wanted him elsewhere, I bet Revis wouldn't let it happen. He's the best, he knows it, bill knows it, and we know. He covers the best. Simple as that.

 

[Deus Irae]

Revis on D. Thomas
Browner/Dennard on Sanders
Arrington/Dennard on Welker
Harmon/S2 on J. Thomas

LBs shade on Welker or or all sit in short zones
McCourty rolls to Sanders or Thomas

 

[strngplyr]

Revis on D. Thomas
Browner/Dennard on Sanders
Arrington/Dennard on Welker
Harmon/S2 on J. Thomas

LBs shade on Welker or or all sit in short zones
McCourty rolls to Sanders or Thomas

Was slightly puzzled until I finished reading. Makes sense though. I can see Browner bullying Sanders with McCourty protecting him.

I also agree Browner won't be on the tight end.

 

[joepatsfan]

Revis on D. Thomas
Browner/Dennard on Sanders
Arrington/Dennard on Welker
Harmon/S2 on J. Thomas

LBs shade on Welker or or all sit in short zones
McCourty rolls to Sanders or Thomas

I don't want Harmon on JThomas unless he makes serious strides this season.
I think the best bet for JThomas is putting Browner there. Dennard can hold up vs. Sanders, hell he did vs. Decker.
Then Arrington or Ryan in the on WW.

 

[joepatsfan]

Was slightly puzzled until I finished reading. Makes sense though. I can see Browner bullying Sanders with McCourty protecting him.

I also agree Browner won't be on the tight end.

I honestly think the reason BB signed Browner was for Julius Thomas in the AFCCG.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't want Harmon on JThomas unless he makes serious strides this season.
I think the best bet for JThomas is putting Browner there. Dennard can hold up vs. Sanders, hell he did vs. Decker.
Then Arrington or Ryan in the on WW.

Browner doesn't cover TEs.

You put the S2 on the TE, and you've got McCourty back there to help with the deep man of the J.Thomas/Sanders duo.

 

[joepatsfan]

Browner doesn't cover TEs.

You put the S2 on the TE, and you've got McCourty back there to help with the deep man of the J.Thomas/Sanders duo.

Well, I'd disagree... We shall see what happens when the time comes.

I think a guy like Sanders who has some quickness could give Browner troubles.

Why couldn't BB cover TE's?

 

[Deus Irae]

Well, I'd disagree... We shall see what happens when the time comes.

I think a guy like Sanders who has some quickness could give Browner troubles.

Why couldn't BB cover TE's?

I'm not sure what you're trying to disagree with. Are you saying that Brandon Browner normally does cover TEs?

As for a guy like Sanders giving Browner troubles, that's why I had Browner/Dennard matched up against Sanders. I expect BB will use those two based upon the week's opponents, as opposed to just leaving one out there as the CB2 no matter who they're facing. If the Patriots S2 isn't good enough to stick with the J. Thomas's of the league, the Patriots S2 isn't good enough, period.

 

[strngplyr]

I'm not sure what you're trying to disagree with. Are you saying that Brandon Browner normally does cover TEs?

As for a guy like Sanders giving Browner troubles, that's why I had Browner/Dennard matched up against Sanders. If the Patriots S2 isn't good enough to stick with the J. Thomas's of the league, the Patriots S2 isn't good enough, period.

If JT starts beating us I see Browner + help taking over DT, Revis moving onto the TE, and leaving Sanders singled up.

We're definitely in agreeance that Browner will not be on the TE's though, his strengths come from brutalizing the guy he is playing against, not his coverage ability. Browner won't be beating up any TE's, negating the whole usefulness of his size advantage.

 

[joepatsfan]

I'm not sure what you're trying to disagree with. Are you saying that Brandon Browner normally does cover TEs?

As for a guy like Sanders giving Browner troubles, that's why I had Browner/Dennard matched up against Sanders. I expect BB will use those two based upon the week's opponents, as opposed to just leaving one out there as the CB2 no matter who they're facing. If the Patriots S2 isn't good enough to stick with the J. Thomas's of the league, the Patriots S2 isn't good enough, period.

You said BB cant cover TE at all. I think just for the Denver game, we will see him on JThomas and in the Lions game we could see him on Ebron or Pettigrew too. He may even cover Clay the second time we face Miami.

Obviously he doesn't cover TEs always but we saw Talib kick inside and lock up Jimmy Graham. We know how Browner loves to be physical and I could see him killing JThomas at the line.

For the most part this season, BB will be on the #2 WR, but in certain matchups, Denver, he could grab a TE.

Who is S2

 

[strngplyr]

You said BB cant cover TE at all. I think just for the Denver game, we will see him on JThomas and in the Lions game we could see him on Ebron or Pettigrew too. He may even cover Clay the second time we face Miami.

Obviously he doesn't cover TEs always but we saw Talib kick inside and lock up Jimmy Graham. We know how Browner loves to be physical and I could see him killing JThomas at the line.

For the most part this season, BB will be on the #2 WR, but in certain matchups, Denver, he could grab a TE.

Who is S2

Browners strength is his ability to get physical, you're taking away his strength when matching him with players that have 20-40lbs on him. You adjust to let him use his strength elsewhere and put another coverguy on the TE, like Collins.

 

[joepatsfan]

Browners strength is his ability to get physical, you're taking away his strength when matching him with players that have 20-40lbs on him. You adjust to let him use his strength elsewhere and put another coverguy on the TE, like Collins.

The problem is, Collins was abused by Thomas in the title game.
We saw Talib handle Graham. I think Browner can handle Thomas. You can be physical with TEs. It's not unheard of. Like I said, when the time comes, we'll see.
There's no way Revis isn't on DThomas

 

[strngplyr]

The problem is, Collins was abused by Thomas in the title game.
We saw Talib handle Graham. I think Browner can handle Thomas.
There's no way Revis isn't on DThomas

It was also basically the 2nd full game he ever played in the NFL. I'd rather Collins and help cover JT and let Browner play to his strengths.

Everything BB does is matchup oriented, there is no possible way that he puts Browner in a position where he can't utilize his biggest strength, especially when he has a 250lb ultra-athletic LB in his pocket.

 

[Deus Irae]

You said BB cant cover TE at all.

No, I didn't.

I think just for the Denver game, we will see him on JThomas and in the Lions game we could see him on Ebron or Pettigrew too. He may even cover Clay the second time we face Miami.

I'm sure that Belichick will use his newfound CB depth in several different ways. It's possible that using Browner on lots of TEs will be one of those ways, but I doubt it. That would eliminate Browner's biggest defensive advantage, which is his superior strength against WRs in the 5 yard window.

Obviously he doesn't cover TEs always but we saw Talib kick inside and lock up Jimmy Graham. We know how Browner loves to be physical and I could see him killing JThomas at the line.

Graham's soft, and Talib's a better cover CB than is Browner. I could theoretically see BB trying to use Browner on someone like Graham, but I'd be expecting something much more like having Browner on Colston and Revis on Graham.

For the most part this season, BB will be on the #2 WR, but in certain matchups, Denver, he could grab a TE.

Anything's possible, but I don't know why BB would feel it necessary to throw a monkey wrench (other than the occasional mixing up of coverages to keep opponents honest) into basic covering schemes when he's got a cover safety like McCourty and a cover CB like Revis.

Who is S2

The starting safety next to McCourty.

 

[joepatsfan]

Like I said, we'll see.

 

[joepatsfan]

No, I didn't.



I'm sure that Belichick will use his newfound CB depth in several different ways. It's possible that using Browner on lots of TEs will be one of those ways, but I doubt it. That would eliminate Browner's biggest defensive advantage, which is his superior strength against WRs in the 5 yard window.



Graham's soft, and Talib's a better cover CB than is Browner. I could theoretically see BB trying to use Browner on someone like Graham, but I'd be expecting something much more like having Browner on Colston and Revis on Graham.



Anything's possible, but I don't know why BB would feel it necessary to throw a monkey wrench (other than the occasional mixing up of coverages to keep opponents honest) into basic covering schemes when he's got a cover safety like McCourty and a cover CB like Revis.



The starting safety next to McCourty.

Hmm I get your point, I just think if and when Thomas kills us, we could see Browner on him, that's all

 

[Deus Irae]

Hmm I get your point, I just think if and when Thomas kills us, we could see Browner on him, that's all

I hear where you're coming from. Denver is going to be a matchup issue for any team. We could well see all sorts of coverage switches, designed to confuse the the 5-head. I just think that the base is going to be the base against pretty much every team, albeit perhaps with a Dennard/Browner switching situation based upon matchups, because McCourty and Revis are going to allow it to be so.

 

[PatsBoy12]

When the terms of Wendell's contract came out, it was pretty clear that he was signed just as a hedge against the possibility that nobody could take his job. It seems like the Pats expect that he'll be beaten out, and if/when that happens he's gone at no cost to the team... or he's kept around as a game day inactive in case the starting C goes down. He's cheap enough that they could go that route pretty easily if they wanted.

As far as questioning Brady/Edelman, I hope/think that nobody here is actually going to use that as a basis for criticism. Brady's spoken at length many times about how practice is when you push the envelope and make the high-risk throws that you avoid when the stakes are high in actual games. Have to push the boundaries to find the limit, so to speak.

And even then, sometimes you make a good throw and the corner is so good that he just intercepts it anyway. That describes Revis' past picks on Brady so well, and it's basically the reason why most QBs just don't even throw at him anymore.

Gotta agree with everything you've said. The Wendell situation is a pretty good one for all the reasons you mentioned. He's pretty good insurance to have as a backup if he gets beat out for the job, but he's also a serviceable starter as well. We can win with Wendell, though not entirely ideal for the spot.

Brady has talked about taking chances in practice and the preseason more than a few times. That's why I never really read into his performances at this early point. Sure we all want to know that he's still sharp and making good decisions, but it's still a good idea to temper emotions/reactions for the most part this early.

And we're talking about Revis here.lol He's going to make plays. Talib intercepted Brady. It happens. Those guys get paid and they're good athletes too, Revis considered the very best. In addition to everything BB talked about when describing Revis, among them his smarts, I've read two reports from the padded practice that describe Revis making a cut before the receiver made it. In other words, he ran the route for the receiver.lol That's insane. I also read one where Edelman beat him and Brady threw an almost perfect pass only for Revis to make the play anyway. Yeah, as Mark Jackson would say, "there's that man."