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Globe says surgery will NOT effect Maroney's season


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Cousins,
They needed another RB anyway regardless of the Maroney injury. They lose Pass and Dillion and only pick up Morris.
Pass is gone? ARE YOU SURE????

OMIGOD!!!!

We're doomed. Who do we have left who can fumble in critical moments?

Oh, wait. Whew. We still have Faulk.

Keeping Dillon would have been huge for us, though. He'll be a difference maker in 2007. Probably signed a humongous contract the minute he hit free agency. Ha ha. No one wants him, but somehow we are in troouble without him.

Dillon was great in 2004, okay in 2005, and became helmet-tapping Pokey #2 in 2006. There is a long line of backup RBs I'd rather have on the team next year, including Morris. (Not to take anything away from what Dillon WAS or USED TO BE, but losing him will not hurt our team in 2007.)
 
On the news front, running back Laurence Maroney underwent shoulder surgery after the AFC Championship Game. That Maroney underwent surgery was first reported by the Boston Herald, and has been confirmed. Maroney will naturally be limited in the team's offseason program, but the injury isn't expected to threaten his 2007 season.

Good to know.

Hopefully now folks will accept that his injuries certainly affected production down the stretch.
 
Good to know.

Hopefully now folks will accept that his injuries certainly affected production down the stretch.

But now the pendulum is swinging to other side, where proclamations of Maroney's impending doom are bellowed ad nauseum.
 
But now the pendulum is swinging to other side, where proclamations of Maroney's impending doom are bellowed ad nauseum.

People will always be able to find something to be unhappy about if they want to badly enough.
 
See, this is what I'm talking about, PatsChick, when I complain of the unjust praise Reiss tends to get around here.

Yeah, by doing a lot of legwork researching articles and by asking intelligent questions at press conferences, he has developed contacts within the organization. What a bonehead. He should be out there trying to spin situations into controversial stuff, trying to say anything negative he can like the rest of the so-called Boston media, then whine when no one in the organization will talk to him.

I'll take Reiss and Curran any day of the week ahaed of the other jokers. There is no unjust praise from them, only unjust and ignorant whining.

Reiss was fantastic at MetroWest, Curran equally so at ProJo. Reiss's Peices is the best sports blog going.

Stop carping and give credit where it is due, instead of your Tomase-Felger-Gresh-Borges lovefest.

Read what you wrote.

he will politely print their vague statement "but the injury isn't expected to threaten his 2007 season" without pushing further with questions, the most important being "if you know enough about the injury to not expect it to threaten his '07 season, why don't you tell us?"

You are condemning Reiss for having information that Tomase did not have. Tomase said he had no idea how this would affect the season and you call this terrific investigatinve reporting. Reiss says it will not affect the season and you complain that he should have asked them why don't they tell him if Maroney will be able to play when that is what they just told him? It is not asking stupid questions like this that makes the FO think he has a brain. Sure, Tomase (or Felger) would have asked exactly this questions.

Pats FO: Maroney will be able to play the whole season next year.

Tomase-Felger: Why don't you tell us things like this?

Pats FO: Excuse me? We just did.

Tomase-Felger: It's stonewalling like this that hurts our relationship. You should have told me.

Pats FO: We did tell you.

Tomase-Felger: I'm gong home and write a story highly critical of the Patriots.

Pats FO: Anybody have Mike Reiss's phone number? Or Curran's? Or anybody with a brain's?


You don't like Reiss. Fine. Tomase saw Moroney in a sling before Reiss did. Cool. But that don't make Tomase great. The Patriots give out almost no information about injuries. They didn't have to give out anything at all except to say Maroney is day-to-day.

We finally have a reporter with enough cache to get some tidbits out of them. Stop your friggin' whining and say thanks.
 
But now the pendulum is swinging to other side, where proclamations of Maroney's impending doom are bellowed ad nauseum.

Hmm, I didn't think of that. If Reiss says it won't affect his 07 season, then I'd just assume that's the case, and assume he'll have a monster season next year.
 
Yeah, by doing a lot of legwork researching articles and by asking intelligent questions at press conferences, he has developed contacts within the organization. What a bonehead. He should be out there trying to spin situations into controversial stuff, trying to say anything negative he can like the rest of the so-called Boston media, then whine when no one in the organization will talk to him.

I'll take Reiss and Curran any day of the week ahaed of the other jokers. There is no unjust praise from them, only unjust and ignorant whining.

Reiss was fantastic at MetroWest, Curran equally so at ProJo. Reiss's Peices is the best sports blog going.

Stop carping and give credit where it is due, instead of your Tomase-Felger-Gresh-Borges lovefest.

Read what you wrote.



You are condemning Reiss for having information that Tomase did not have. Tomase said he had no idea how this would affect the season and you call this terrific investigatinve reporting. Reiss says it will not affect the season and you complain that he should have asked them why don't they tell him if Maroney will be able to play when that is what they just told him? It is not asking stupid questions like this that makes the FO think he has a brain. Sure, Tomase (or Felger) would have asked exactly this questions.

Pats FO: Maroney will be able to play the whole season next year.

Tomase-Felger: Why don't you tell us things like this?

Pats FO: Excuse me? We just did.

Tomase-Felger: It's stonewalling like this that hurts our relationship. You should have told me.

Pats FO: We did tell you.

Tomase-Felger: I'm gong home and write a story highly critical of the Patriots.

Pats FO: Anybody have Mike Reiss's phone number? Or Curran's? Or anybody with a brain's?


You don't like Reiss. Fine. Tomase saw Moroney in a sling before Reiss did. Cool. But that don't make Tomase great. The Patriots give out almost no information about injuries. They didn't have to give out anything at all except to say Maroney is day-to-day.

We finally have a reporter with enough cache to get some tidbits out of them. Stop your friggin' whining and say thanks.



Tomase is a bonehead.
 
Since the other Maroney injury thread has turned into a pissing contest about draft picks and injuries, I guess it's better to put this here. A poster on Indy Star (a resident Pat's troll who seems to have sources on player info) posted this about Maroney's injury on a thread there:

If accurate, the Bankart Repair is very good news,indeed. Sounds like a very common injury and interesting that most times it never makes the news. Except in Boston,of course. Ingrown toenails become newsworthy if spun just right :cool:
 
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I had an opportunity to sit down and peruse the Herald this afternoon and this is what struck me; on the top of the front page was a good size pic of Maroney with an ominous-sounding caption-something about SHOCKING NEWS-sounded horrible,whatever it was. If I hadn't have seen Reiss' notation this morning I'd definitely have figured him for practically d-o-n-e.

But because I already knew,I found this display by the Herald to be sort of amusing-in fact I thought of the recent Reiss discussion had right here not long ago and said to myself, this illustrates to a tee why people here defend Reiss like they do.
FWIW I don't dislike Thomase or the Herald,in fact suppose I'd prefer this type of "breaking news" over such timely Globe releases as the Asante Samuels story the morning of the Jets game, or Beligate or Glamuramadotcom.
In fact,credit to the Herald for getting the truth on baby #2.
 
Yeah, by doing a lot of legwork researching articles and by asking intelligent questions at press conferences, he has developed contacts within the organization. What a bonehead. He should be out there trying to spin situations into controversial stuff, trying to say anything negative he can like the rest of the so-called Boston media, then whine when no one in the organization will talk to him.

Reiss' "contacts" within the organization are the Pats' media + public relations reps. Their job is to control the flow of information to the press -- they don't talk to Reiss because of his "legwork" or "intelligent questions," they talk to him because a) he's the beat writer for the biggest paper in town and b) because he writes what they want, and doesn't try to dig around for information the Pats' FO doesn't want released.

When was the last time that Reiss used any source other than official word from the team's FO? When was the last time Reiss broke any news that he didn't read off a press release? Accepting the word at face value of the subject you're covering, all the time, isn't journalism.

I'll take Reiss and Curran any day of the week ahaed of the other jokers. There is no unjust praise from them, only unjust and ignorant whining.

Reiss was fantastic at MetroWest, Curran equally so at ProJo. Reiss's Peices is the best sports blog going.

Stop carping and give credit where it is due, instead of your Tomase-Felger-Gresh-Borges lovefest.

I agree with your about Curran. He was great -- I'm happy for him that he's gone national, but I miss him in the local market. Reiss? I think his blog provides Pats fans with an invaluable service, and I appreciate his dedication and hard work -- I just think it would be more honest if he worked for the Pats' official website, and Kraft signed his checks.

As for your comments about my supposed lovefest with Tomase, Felger, Gresh and Borges -- what a sleazy, cheap rhetorical ploy on your part. Is there any truth to the notion that if I don't like Reiss, I obviously must love muckracking hacks like Felger and a bitter, angry troll like Borges whose spent the last five years of his career writing one big hatchet job against the greatest coach the Pats have ever had... right?

Wrong. Sorry to spoil your attempt at "guild by association" but, unlike some, I don't see it in simple, zero-sum terms where anyone who says only good things is "good" and anyone who dares to report bad things is "bad." There have been plenty of Pats beat writers who managed to maintain editorial independence -- Curran and Michael Smith spring to mind.

You are condemning Reiss for having information that Tomase did not have. Tomase said he had no idea how this would affect the season and you call this terrific investigatinve reporting. Reiss says it will not affect the season and you complain that he should have asked them why don't they tell him if Maroney will be able to play when that is what they just told him? It is not asking stupid questions like this that makes the FO think he has a brain. Sure, Tomase (or Felger) would have asked exactly this questions.

Investigative reporting? Hah. Reiss wouldn't have heard about Maroney's surgery if Tomase hadn't broken the story, and he didn't "investigate" anything. He called up the FO, was told "yeah, he had surgery, but everything's fine" and he accepted it at face value. A real reporter would have asked what informs the Pats' expectations about Maroney's 2007 season. What king of injury was it? What kind of surgery? This would provide actual information. The reporter could then put it in perspective with other players who've suffered similar injuries, and talk to doctors about the prognosis. Tomase would have asked these questions -- Reiss just printed the team's empty, informationless reassurance.

You don't like Reiss. Fine. Tomase saw Moroney in a sling before Reiss did. Cool. But that don't make Tomase great. The Patriots give out almost no information about injuries. They didn't have to give out anything at all except to say Maroney is day-to-day.

We finally have a reporter with enough cache to get some tidbits out of them. Stop your friggin' whining and say thanks.

I know the Pats don't like to give out information about injuries... but between Tomase + Reiss, who do you think forces them to tell us the little they do? You do realize that if someone besides Reiss hadn't broken the stories, we'd have no idea about Chad Jackson's ACL or Maroney's shoulder? You think it's Reiss' "cache" that made the Pats cop to either of these things?

That's a laugh. Tomase got the story, ran with it to put it out there, forcing the Pats' to 'fess up and put out their own spin. The only Reiss gets a "tidbit" like this is because Tomase forced the Pats hand in the first place.
 
Tomase saw Moroney in a sling before Reiss did. Cool. But that don't make Tomase great.

Spacecrime, I think this is the crux of the issue for those who are defending Tomase's approach to reporting. You assume that Reiss didn't know about the injury and Tomase simply discovered it first. Others look at the access Reiss has and his general diligence and timeliness in covering the team and figure he probably did know, but didn't report it because the team wouldn't like it.

This suspicion is grounded in the pattern of injury reporting to date. Can you recall any time that Reiss has ever broken the story of a Patriot player's injury or surgery? He's the man on the spot, yet it's always somebody else who reveals Bruschi's broken wrist, Jackson's torn ACL, Maroney's shoulder surgery, etc. Then once the story is public Reiss immediately fills in the missing pieces. Meanwhile he's the one who gets one-on-one interviews with Belichick, etc. It's perfectly reasonable to suppose this is an unspoken quid pro quo arrangement, where he goes team-friendly in what he reveals and they reward him with access.

As a fan, I'm ok with this. I'm glad that somebody is cultivating the kind of relationship that yields some reliable crumbs of info on our secretive football team. But I'm equally grateful for folks like Tomase who don't get as cozy with their subjects. If those guys weren't out there forcing the revelations, we wouldn't know anything. There is no way Tomase deserves to be lumped with Borges, as he has been in this thread. Read over his piece on Maroney again, there is nothing inflammatory whatsoever about it. (Don't count the Herald's screaming headlines, which the reporter has nothing to do with.)

Just to clarify once more: I'm not attacking Reiss, I'm defending Tomase. I really don't get the vitriol against him in this forum.
 
Well apparently Reiss has the capacity to hustle up other sources outside the FO - like the players mother.

He'll be up and running
Maroney is expected to be OK for season after surgery
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff | March 27, 2007

PHOENIX -- Patriots running back Laurence Maroney underwent shoulder surgery after the team's AFC Championship Game loss to the Colts, but he should be fully recovered for the 2007 season.

Maroney was in Miami yesterday with his mother, Terri Terrell, meeting with his financial adviser.

"I think he's in great spirits," Terrell said. "He's looking forward to the season. He's fine."

Terrell did not reveal specifics of the surgery -- or which shoulder was injured -- but noted that the procedure took place in the morning and Maroney was discharged from the hospital that afternoon, which she said reflected the fact that it was routine. She said Maroney is not currently wearing a sling and is taking part in conditioning drills to stay in shape. He will be limited with certain weightlifting activities.


http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/03/27/hell_be_up_and_running/
 
Dillon was great in 2004, okay in 2005, and became helmet-tapping Pokey #2 in 2006. There is a long line of backup RBs I'd rather have on the team next year, including Morris. (Not to take anything away from what Dillon WAS or USED TO BE, but losing him will not hurt our team in 2007.)

You're kidding, right?

Dillon had a better year in 2006 than in 2005.

2005 was the crap year.
 
spacecrime said:
Dillon was great in 2004, okay in 2005, and became helmet-tapping Pokey #2 in 2006.
You're kidding, right?

Dillon had a better year in 2006 than in 2005.

2005 was the crap year.
Umm, nope. Not kidding. Are you? Sure you have your years right?

I thought Dillon:
a) Played okay in 2005, considering he was hurt, and
b) Thought he lost a big step in 2006, could not turn the corner to save his life and tapped his helmet to come out after every other run.

He had almost as many yards (733 vs 812) and TDs (12 vs 13) in 2005 as he did in 2006, and he played in fewr games (12 vs 16). His ypc were down in 2005, but that was due mostly to his leg injury preventing him from getting an intitial burst, and the fact that he could not cut to the left. This let LBs drift to where they knew he had to be, and chop his runs off short.

After 2005, I thought Dillon was doing just fine. After 2006 (heck, DURING 2006) I thought he was done. I cannot imagine anyone thinking after 2006 that Dillon had improved, or even stayed the same.
 
Spacecrime, I think this is the crux of the issue for those who are defending Tomase's approach to reporting. You assume that Reiss didn't know about the injury and Tomase simply discovered it first. Others look at the access Reiss has and his general diligence and timeliness in covering the team and figure he probably did know, but didn't report it because the team wouldn't like it.

This suspicion is grounded in the pattern of injury reporting to date. Can you recall any time that Reiss has ever broken the story of a Patriot player's injury or surgery? He's the man on the spot, yet it's always somebody else who reveals Bruschi's broken wrist, Jackson's torn ACL, Maroney's shoulder surgery, etc. Then once the story is public Reiss immediately fills in the missing pieces. Meanwhile he's the one who gets one-on-one interviews with Belichick, etc. It's perfectly reasonable to suppose this is an unspoken quid pro quo arrangement, where he goes team-friendly in what he reveals and they reward him with access.

As a fan, I'm ok with this. I'm glad that somebody is cultivating the kind of relationship that yields some reliable crumbs of info on our secretive football team. But I'm equally grateful for folks like Tomase who don't get as cozy with their subjects. If those guys weren't out there forcing the revelations, we wouldn't know anything. There is no way Tomase deserves to be lumped with Borges, as he has been in this thread. Read over his piece on Maroney again, there is nothing inflammatory whatsoever about it. (Don't count the Herald's screaming headlines, which the reporter has nothing to do with.)

Just to clarify once more: I'm not attacking Reiss, I'm defending Tomase. I really don't get the vitriol against him in this forum.


Exactly, Chick. Tomase and Reis actually make a great Good Cop-Bad Cop team. They play their parts very well and if a reader incorporates both of them, the reader is well served.

Reiss gets great background, but you are right. He gets it because he plays along with the FO and does seem to hold back what they don't want out there (kind of like the White House press corps during the FDR Administration going to great lengths not to mention the polio or printing pics of him in a wheelchair).

Tomase does his part extremely well also. He does seem to get the story out first by crossing to the areas where Reiss won't. Spacecrime seem to ignore the fact that without Tomase breaking the news, Reiss would not be writing about some of these things at all.

Tomase gets the initial break, Reiss gets the subsequent background. Honetsly, they should start their own blog.
 
Umm, nope. Not kidding. Are you? Sure you have your years right?

His ypc were down in 2005, but that was due mostly to his leg injury preventing him from getting an intitial burst, and the fact that he could not cut to the left. This let LBs drift to where they knew he had to be, and chop his runs off short.

After 2005, I thought Dillon was doing just fine. After 2006 (heck, DURING 2006) I thought he was done. I cannot imagine anyone thinking after 2006 that Dillon had improved, or even stayed the same.


2005 - 3.5 yds pc
2006 - 4.1 yds pc

4.1 yds pc against 8 in the box is good no matter how you slice it.

3.5 yds pc (against teams that had to respect the pass) is not.
 
Exactly, Chick. Tomase and Reis actually make a great Good Cop-Bad Cop team. They play their parts very well and if a reader incorporates both of them, the reader is well served.

Reiss gets great background, but you are right. He gets it because he plays along with the FO and does seem to hold back what they don't want out there (kind of like the White House press corps during the FDR Administration going to great lengths not to mention the polio or printing pics of him in a wheelchair).

Tomase does his part extremely well also. He does seem to get the story out first by crossing to the areas where Reiss won't. Spacecrime seem to ignore the fact that without Tomase breaking the news, Reiss would not be writing about some of these things at all.

Tomase gets the initial break, Reiss gets the subsequent background. Honetsly, they should start their own blog.

I'd rather read pointed questions and replies here than EVER read the Herald. Tomase is a typical good reporter in a 'need it now' media age. No thanks, the world of journalism is filled aplenty with rush to print columns and reports that can't be reckoned with the whole truth (if the truth matters anymore). I'll wait and let Reiss flesh out whats really going on, no matter where he gets his info.

After all, it's just sports.
 
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