Urban Meyer says Tim Tebow still hopes for a career in NFL

[Boogs]

What i mean is that he is simply not completely dedicated to his repeatedly stated goal of being an NFL QB, that doesn't in any way mean he's a lazy person, in fact he appears to be anything but that, and that is also why i see him as feeling entitled, because he isn't a lazy person, he says he really wants to be an NFL QB, but won't go to the one league where he could actually achieve his "dream."

"And the NFL would still not be convinced because he didn't do it against the best." - Boogs


And once again you make excuses for him and claim he is being persecuted as you now claim that even if he showed he could play they would just find a way to dismiss it. Poor Timmy, he just can't get a break.

I don't think he's persecuted Ivan. I think he wins ugly and his wins would always be hard fought and not pretty pocket passing based on timing. Coaches are not looking for what he brings to the table. That's not persecution though. I think he will win a lot more games than most backups in the league. Cause they throw more int's and Tebow can get a running game going, and fight hard in clutch time.

 

[Boogs]

Boogs, your "he just doesn't want to play minor league ball" comment is exactly what i mean when i say he feels it is below him. It's fine if he feels that way but he will never realize his dream if he does feel that way. How can any player claim their goal is to be a major leaguer but refuse to play in the minors, that is simply wanting things to be handed to you, and i don't care who that is.

Fair enough, I see it differently and don't call that entitled or below him.

 

[Boogs]

All of them

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Nope, but you could find that if it were true


Nope. I said the style of football they adopted when he became QB better suited their roster, and if they did it with someone who could throw the ball better, they may have gotten as good or better results.


Nope, I said there is more to playing QB than just not throwing Ints. Succeeding at the position is more important than not failing miserably because the offense was dumbed down for you.



Because you were wrong. However, twisting and exaggerating and misrepresenting my comments will not make you right.
Examples: When you say he threw the ball better in the 4th quarter and I point out that no he didn't, that does not equal me saying he sucked in the 4th quarter.
When you say he didn't throw many Ints in the games he won, and I say there is more to being a good QB than that,it does not mean I said it is not important to protect the football.

But you knew that.

I did find where you said Orton would have won all those games too if Denver had the same offensive philosophy which was to run the ball and throw very little. I say no way Orton does that. The change to Tebow made the difference in turning things around.

 

[NE_PATS_FAN_54]

He IS a QB...that is who he is and has always been...the media made up these "versatile" options because the lusted after his Q factor . He got a fair shot with the Pats..I went to camp and SAW a ton of his work. I broke down his throws for everybody and remarked on progress he was making and progress he was not. THAT is what did him in. He showed improvement and accuracy in the middle zone but he constantly threw to the left off the wrong foot and he had ZERO touch to the right sideline. I firmly believe he would STILL be in the league as a Patriot IF BB considered carrying three QB's. I believe he would have continued to make progress just as I saw the progress he DID make. His problem is the league is about NOW. He needs a ton of reps throwing outs to both sidelines from the pocket as well as on the run.He needs to see all the defensive looks teams throw at you today.

Timing seems to be his worst enemy...THIS is not the time for developmental QB's. If Goodell does go ahead and expands the schedule perhaps Tebow's value to an NFL team will come back into view. As of now he's dead as disco.

Good take. I agree but I can never grasp why some team hasn't stashed him as a 2nd/3rd QB on their roster. I am fully aware of all his weaknesses but it boggles my mind that teams would rather have scrubs like Blaine Gabbert, Kyle Orton, Charlie Whitehurst, Luke McCown, Terrelle Pryor, etc than someone like Tebow who, for all of his weaknesses, is a proven winner at the NFL level.

 

[pats4life12]

Out of the NFL, Chris Kluwe compares himself to Tim Tebow - CBSSports.com “As much as we are polar opposites on the things we stand for, Tebow is the exact same way,” Kluwe said (via ProFootballTalk.com). “There are backup quarterbacks in the NFL right now that Tebow is certainly better than -- he could fill a role with a team. But because he brings this other stuff with him, just like I bring my other stuff with me, teams look at it like, ‘We don't want it. We don't want players speaking out. We don't want players doing anything other than football.'”

Well if he is better then some backups in the league how come no one has signed him? It's a business they want good players if they thought Tebow was good they would get rid of there back up and pick him up.

 

[Christiancat]

Well if he is better then some backups in the league how come no one has signed him? It's a business they want good players if they thought Tebow was good they would get rid of there back up and pick him up.

There are countless celebrities,current football players, retired football players that love Tebow. Tim also has a ton of fans, I mean he has 2.5 million followers on twitter alone.
We know you hate everything Tebow is as a person and player but stop acting like you know all the reasons why Tim hasn't been signed. Just like if you go for a job as a office manager, accountant, secretary etc. A company doesn't just look at whether you can do the job but also do you fit in with the culture of that office. There's more to the job than just the job itself.

 

[Christiancat]

Good take. I agree but I can never grasp why some team hasn't stashed him as a 2nd/3rd QB on their roster. I am fully aware of all his weaknesses but it boggles my mind that teams would rather have scrubs like Blaine Gabbert, Kyle Orton, Charlie Whitehurst, Luke McCown, Terrelle Pryor, etc than someone like Tebow who, for all of his weaknesses, is a proven winner at the NFL level.

Amen to that!:rocker:

 

[pats4life12]

There are countless celebrities,current football players, retired football players that love Tebow. Tim also has a ton of fans, I mean he has 2.5 million followers on twitter alone.

We know you hate everything Tebow is as a person and player but stop acting like you know all the reasons why Tim hasn't been signed. Just like if you go for a job as a office manager, accountant, secretary etc. A company doesn't just look at whether you can do the job but also do you fit in with the culture of that office. There's more to the job than the job itself.

What are you talking about I think Tebow is a great person off the field and I respect him for that. I personally follow him on twitter to, I think he does great things all around the world. But that has nothing to do with him playing football, I like him as a person but I don't like him as a player he is just not good. That's why he has not signed he is not good.

 

[eagle eye]

Huh?
Anecdotal examples lack relevance. You simply made comments that there is no documentation are accurate, nor is there any reason to believe they are relevant.
Tebow's comments to Thomas are anecdotal, and not relevant unless you can establish they are unique, and actually had an effect, none of which you have come close to doing.

I'm not falling into your pedantic trap, that was just a small example, I also mentioned him geeing up the D and they went out and got a stop in a game where they were awful, again just another small example but there are so many and when you add them all up they form a pattern. Then you have a player like future HoFamer Champ Bailey lauding him and others that played with him at the Broncos.

He showed his leadership in multiple games. He showed his clutchness in many games.

I've said all along that he does not have great QB skills. I'm not saying he has what it takes to make it at the NFL level, just that he has inspirational leadership qualities and clutchness. Those on their own are not enough to make him good enough at the NFL level.

The strange thing though is that he did succeed in Denver as a starter and has a W in the playoffs in the only season he had a chance to get his team there. But you of course claim they won in spite of him despite one of his former teammates saying that everybody bought in more because he was able to succeed even without the great skills.

You for some reason seem to want to take all credit away from him on every level.

 

[Joker]

Hi Markus!!! How's the county jail bubble, hack boy? Still playing the goon in the moon eh?

Re: The Bears Interested in Tebow

Post by Remarker on Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:39 am
If Tim's not picked up by a NFL team before the A11 exhibition games then Tim playing in those games could/would be the equivalent (or better) than Tim auditioning with a NFL team for a spot.

At this point there is nothing I would like better than Tim figuratively poking a finger in the eye of anyone that has spurned his effectiveness as a world class QB. The only way for him to do that is to get his ass back on the field and prove his effectiveness. I take Tim at his word...that he is better than he's ever been.

By the way, a little update on Braindead Brandi and Remarker aka Marcus Dwayne Walker

seems Brandi is off her meds and making prediuctions that this "A11" football league is going to threaten the NFL and really give' em what fer!!! There is NO SHADE from the glaring ignorance of the TT zealot...they live in an alternate reality. "better than he's ever been!!!!!"...hard to believe someone can be that batshyt insane.

 

[Christiancat]

Come down off that cross Timmy we could use the wood.

This comment was uncalled for.

 

[Christiancat]

I know you are a Tebow fan, but to counter 32 NFL teams deciding he is not worth a roster spot by flowery comments from religious ex-QBs in support of another relgious ex-QB isn't really accomplishing much in the discussion.

So Steve Young and Roger Staubach's opinions on Tim's football skills aren't valid because they have shared religous beliefs?

 

[Christiancat]

I'm not falling into your pedantic trap, that was just a small example, I also mentioned him geeing up the D and they went out and got a stop in a game where they were awful, again just another small example but there are so many and when you add them all up they form a pattern. Then you have a player like future HoFamer Champ Bailey lauding him and others that played with him at the Broncos.

He showed his leadership in multiple games. He showed his clutchness in many games.

I've said all along that he does not have great QB skills. I'm not saying he has what it takes to make it at the NFL level, just that he has inspirational leadership qualities and clutchness. Those on their own are not enough to make him good enough at the NFL level.

The strange thing though is that he did succeed in Denver as a starter and has a W in the playoffs in the only season he had a chance to get his team there. But you of course claim they won in spite of him despite one of his former teammates saying that everybody bought in more because he was able to succeed even without the great skills.

You for some reason seem to want to take all credit away from him on every level.

Yup, Andy refuses to give Tim any credit for his wins or what he does well in football. In addition, Andy believes that if a retired QB like Steve Young says positive stuff about Tebow's football skills, it's because of their shared beliefs.

 

[Claremonster]

He is the most overrated "qb" that cannot play the position in history.

If he learned how to catch, block and tackle, he might have a future in the NFL.

But, he isn't a qb. Not even close to it.

 

[Boogs]

He is the most overrated "qb" that cannot play the position in history.

If he learned how to catch, block and tackle, he might have a future in the NFL.

But, he isn't a qb. Not even close to it.

Nearly everything I read or hear on tv says that Tebow is not a good enough qb. How can he be overrated then? And the posts on here have indicated he overachieves for his level of passing ability.

 

[Demosthenes]

Man, really wanted to stay away from this discussion BUT there is so much BS being spread in this thread that should be addressed.


Too much trouble to quote people directly, so I'll paraphrase.


Complaint: "If Tebow still wanted to play in the NFL, he should have put his ego to the side and gone to the CFL." (Throw in some BS comments about sense of entitlement or whatever).

The dude is working on his MECHANICS. You don't do that by either sitting on a bench OR by taking the field as a starter. You do that by training and taking thousands and thousands of reps first.

Hmmm, maybe you go out and spend MONTHS in California working with one of the guys who has worked with Brady on his mechanics? I believe it was mentioned in the story that the Pats suggested it to Tebow ?

Evaluating Tebow's Progress - ESPN Video - ESPN




Complaint: Tebow has failed at his 3 opportunities !!!

Let's see, with Denver, he took over a 1-4 team and went 7-4 with them, earning a playoff birth. He then piloted them to a playoff victory over the defending AFC champs with the #1 rated passing defense. He did this by PASSING the ball against them.

What happened? Future first ballot HoF'er PFM hit the market. Manning was an instant upgrade for at least 28 of the other 31 teams in the NFL. Some number of those teams had pretty good QBs that they were tied to and comfortable with, but probably 15 or so teams would have thrown their starter to the curb to get Manning.

After Manning was signed, Tebow was traded to the Jets. This was a clusterfark of a situation. Rex Ryan had more than a vested interest in keeping Sanchez as the starter, so did Tannenbaum. Rex pushed for the Jets to move up and take Sanchez with the #6 pick, and Tanny had just reworked and extended Sanchez's contract giving him a boatload of money.

For Christ's sake, Rex has a damned tattoo of his wife in a Sanchez jersey. Without even getting into the question of Rex's lack of ability as a Head Coach, there was no way in hell he was going to bench Sanchez and make Tebow the starter. Seriously, how stupid would he have looked if Tebow took over in the 13th week of the season and the Jets had actually won ?

As for what Tebow did do on the field with the offense, the O Coordinator was Tony Sparano. Guy was clearly in over his head which is why the Jets fired him at the end of the season and why he's still only an offensive line coach now with the Raiders.

Tony liked to talk about how he "brought the Wildcat to the NFL" but that is patently absurd. Dan Henning and David Lee are the ones who were responsible for the Wildcat in Miami. When Tebow was sent in, everyone watching knew that he was going to be in the shotgun and was going to run the ball up the middle. Shocking. Hell, Jet's players and even Mike Westhoff questioned and shook their heads at how badly the Jets misused Tebow.

So, Tebow gets released by the Jets and ends up here in New England. Many posters here called it from the outset when they said that Bill would only carry 2 QBs on the roster. Tebow came in right at the start of training camp IIRC. So, he was supposed to learn the playbook, develop some kind of rapport with the receiving corps and the offense, and beat out Ryan Mallet who had been here in the system for 2 years already ?

 

[Ivan]

Man, really wanted to stay away from this discussion BUT there is so much BS being spread in this thread that should be addressed.


Too much trouble to quote people directly, so I'll paraphrase.


Complaint: "If Tebow still wanted to play in the NFL, he should have put his ego to the side and gone to the CFL." (Throw in some BS comments about sense of entitlement or whatever).

The dude is working on his MECHANICS. You don't do that by either sitting on a bench OR by taking the field as a starter. You do that by training and taking thousands and thousands of reps first.

Tim Tebow's problems with his mechanics aren't due to a lack of practice or efforts to change them, they are due to his reverting to his lifetime form when he is in real game situations, and no amount of practice will cure that without real game experience. And if you are a fan of Tebow you better hope he decides to go to the CFL because he isn't getting a job in the NFL without it, and one more year in the booth and he is done.

And yes, if he refuses to go to the CFL or play in any other league then it is definitely a matter of entitlement if he is being honest about becoming a starting NFL QB as his real goal.

 

[Ivan]

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Complaint: Tebow has failed at his 3 opportunities !!!

He has failed in 2 out of 3, he was successful in denver but a unique opportunity presented itself to them and he lost out because of it. However he then could not beat out one of the worst QB's in football and then played like complete crap when NE gave him a last chance.

He could always try and prove people are wrong about him. Or not? That's his decision. So far he chooses TV.

 

[Ivan]

After Manning was signed, Tebow was traded to the Jets. This was a clusterfark of a situation. Rex Ryan had more than a vested interest in keeping Sanchez as the starter, so did Tannenbaum. Rex pushed for the Jets to move up and take Sanchez with the #6 pick, and Tanny had just reworked and extended Sanchez's contract giving him a boatload of money.

Is it Tannenbaum's fault?

 

[Ivan]

For Christ's sake, Rex has a damned tattoo of his wife in a Sanchez jersey. Without even getting into the question of Rex's lack of ability as a Head Coach, there was no way in hell he was going to bench Sanchez and make Tebow the starter. Seriously, how stupid would he have looked if Tebow took over in the 13th week of the season and the Jets had actually won ?

I really don't believe you are putting this on Rex's wife so it must be Rex's fault.