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I was about to post the same thing about Peyton immediately blaming the center after the safety.
 
Thread seems to have gone off the rails a bit to a discussion of Manning's character rather than his leadership (which I think was the OP point).

To me, these are pretty damning observations above — not about character, but about leadership.. I also felt like, as much as people thought Manning was so classy in his calm post-game press conferences, I want to see some competitive fire there, some sense of the pain. Not in a staged way or maudlin way — but something that didn't convey so much detachment from what just happened.

That's because your character traits affect your leadership. If it's never your fault, or if you give a vibe that you are more important than the rest of the team, If you're act like you have a stick up your rear and your teammates tense up anytime they are around you(Super Bowl 2014: Peyton Manning Is Mr. Annoying - WSJ.com), if you play the blame game to the media, those types of character things affect your leadership ability.
If you win, it's not as much a problem and these issues don't come to the forefront.
 
I've never seen Manning as a natural leader.

He always seems a bit detached from his teammates...almost too professional.

Not that being vocal and 'rah-rah' is completely necessary. But I do believe there are times-- escpecially at the quarterback position, where you have to challenge your teammates vocally and interject a sense of urgency and expectation....emotion is such a huge part of the game and in my opinion it's one reason why Brady is so good at rallying his offense when faced with adversity, and why Manning is more of a front-runner who plays great when things are good but tends to collapse when he's up against it.
 
There are many different leadership styles. Admittedly, some of Peyton's teammates get tense around him in the locker room from the article written above. Versus what Russel Wilson told his teammates. Somebody's gonna win the game, "Why not us?" One of those can put unnecessary pressure on players. The other allows your teammates to play loose. One team looked uncharacteristically unprepared and tense. Peyton looked scared. Wilson and the whole Seahawks team played loose, aggressive, had confidence and swagger.
 
PM may not have been up enough for the game, he may have not taken responsibility sufficiently for certain plays, you/we may not like him, however, I have it first hand from a long time reporter at ESPN that PM is a very genuinely nice guy (no, not one of the jackasses at ESPN -- this is one of their female reporters).
Take that for what it's worth.....

...which is absolutely nothing, especially coming from one of the 4-letter network's
ignorant bimbo reporters.
 
I have nothing but disgust for Paymetons and I'll tell you why...a long time ago when he first broke into the league I caught up to him boarding a team bus and asked him to sign my puppy, Spike's, dog collar...instead he kicked my precious little pooch right in the head and ran onto the bus...do ANY of you realize what kind of negative lifelong effects that can have on a young, innocent year old bull mastiff puppy?

Fortunately, with a little love and a few hundred pounds of chopped beef bones, Spike grew into a confident, happy go lucky guard dog.
 
I have nothing but disgust for Paymetons and I'll tell you why...a long time ago when he first broke into the league I caught up to him boarding a team bus and asked him to sign my puppy, Spike's, dog collar...instead he kicked my precious little pooch right in the head and ran onto the bus...do ANY of you realize what kind of negative lifelong effects that can have on a young, innocent year old bull mastiff puppy?

Fortunately, with a little love and a few hundred pounds of chopped beef bones, Spike grew into a confident, happy go lucky guard dog.
That is a disgustingly outrageous story. I believe every word of it. :eek:
 
Please tell us that you use the word Manning as Spike's command to attack.
 
This is bizarre: As Naughright described it in a deposition entered into the court record: "It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. ... To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off."

The court record includes a letter to Manning from former Tennessee cross country runner Malcolm Saxon, who Manning said was the intended target of the mooning. Written in December 2002, the letter reads, in part: "Bro, you have tons of class, but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. ...

"She was minding her own business when your book came out. Peyton, the way I see it, at this point, you are going to take a hit either way, if you settle out of court or if it goes to court. You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened. ... Your celebrity doesn't mean you can treat folks that way. ... Do the right thing here."

So, anyone know how this lawsuit ended?
 
Please tell us that you use the word Manning as Spike's command to attack.

Nope...alas poor spike has since gone on to the big pound in the sky but when he was here the word was....

"OMAHA!!!"

another reason I hate Manning's guts...he ripped of my attack command...oh wait, no...no he didn't...I didn't just say that...I NEVER said that...I was never there...Darius Butler did it...:lie:
 
So, anyone know how this lawsuit ended?

Yeah...Manhandling got up in front of the cracker judge and said "....your honor, I was out for my morning jog and I started getting an erection thinking about the big game coming when, out of nowhere, I tripped and fell on a frozen Omaha steak...as I screamed out "Omaha????" this young lady suddenly appeared underneath me as I was falling...it was too late to pull away and I fell, hardon first, right into her gluteus maximi region....she started crying "rape!!!rape!!!" and naturally I told her it was all the "Omaha! Omaha!"'s fault...that's all it was your honor...I was a virgin then and kept my virginity intact by making sure there was no vaginal penetration...swear to Gawd and the state of Mississippi, your honor.."

so, it's easy to see why the case never went anywhere...just an innocent trip and pene-fall-tration.
 
My dad works for the nfl. Has never said anything negative about him.

I have seen him numerous times after games and he was always very respectful and polite to everyone I saw him talk to (stadium personnel at away stadiums, kids, the like).

With all due respect, that's not knowing someone. The only people who truly know what he's really like are his family and close friends. What your dad is seeing from him is just his public personality.
 
Did you guys see the "Safety First" SoundFX video. After his snap screw up, he goes over to the sidelines and starts telling everyone how they should have used a silent count.

Well crap Forehead, if you're the big man in charge who runs everything like your media ball washers like to proclaim then why didn't YOU call for a silent count?

Then he goes over to the lineman and tries telling them that he called the cadence. "I called it".

Then he goes over to one of the coordinators and says something like, I was thinking about telling you that we should start with a silent count because of the crowd noise.

What a weasel.

'Sound FX': Safety First - NFL Videos
 
I got the sense through the whole thing that Denver lacked intensity and just sort of gave in when things snowballed -- players AND coaches. Seemed that Welker was the only one feeling a sense of "desperation." Bailey sitting on the bench talking about who the Seattle MVP might be was kind of weird.
 
This is bizarre: As Naughright described it in a deposition entered into the court record: "It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. ... To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off."

The court record includes a letter to Manning from former Tennessee cross country runner Malcolm Saxon, who Manning said was the intended target of the mooning. Written in December 2002, the letter reads, in part: "Bro, you have tons of class, but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. ...

"She was minding her own business when your book came out. Peyton, the way I see it, at this point, you are going to take a hit either way, if you settle out of court or if it goes to court. You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened. ... Your celebrity doesn't mean you can treat folks that way. ... Do the right thing here."

So, anyone know how this lawsuit ended?

Settled out of court, but she lost her job
 
You respect the man who dropped his bare ass on a woman's face in front of a bunch of college team mates for laughs?
 


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