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I'm not a huge draftnik (but love to speculate nonetheless). But with two WRs signed and a LB (plus BB's apparent obstinance to never draft a LB early) I'm thinking the Pats go two DBs in the first.

So to you draft folks out there who know more than I, who would be the best fit for the Pats?

I know there is a Fresno state kid out there who sounds like he's a physical BB type guy.

Who else?
 
i would love it if we got 2 dbs in the first.

that would make my day
 
Reggie Nelson from FLA. But his 40 times and everything else blew away the scouts so I don't know if he'll be there when we draft anymore. But, if he is, we will draft him. Florida is the New England of college football.
 
I would like a DB and a LB, of course if value is there, in first round.
 
DB's

Of course Laron Landry but he will go too high.

Chris Houston, Reggie Nelson, Michael Griffin...

My dream is

Willis/Poz at 24

Griffin at 28...
 
Depending on who drops if would not surprise me if BB took a DL and TE in the first.
 
idk bout 2 DBs ..what changes the fact that Bruschi is old and we dont have a very good ILB? Nothing. Thomas isnt young..Seau isnt back. We need youth for future. We still need an ILB
 
Here are Yahoo's top 5 CBs. (Btw, what the f is "plays too tall" mean? is that new draft buzz talk?)

Sounds like Fresno's McCaully, if he can rediscover his aggressiveness, might be the guy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...slug=jm-cornerbacks030807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
HE TOP FIVE

1. Chris Houston, Arkansas. He might not have been a household name to fans before the NFL scouting combine, but SEC offensive coordinators noticed his standout play against top-rated receivers such as Dwayne Bowe and Robert Meachem last season.

Houston, with decent size at 5-foot-10¼, 188 pounds, runs well, shows keen awareness against the pass, and displays a fair amount of aggressiveness with his willingness to support the run. His eye-opening workout at the combine includes 4.32-4.37 times in the 40-yard dash, a 36-inch vertical, 4.08 short shuttle, 6.90 3-cone and an amazing 27 bench reps of 225 pounds.

Houston has very good ball skills, accelerates with receivers while the ball is in the air and is able to latch on the hip of a receiver and then reach his hands up to deflect or impair a receiver's vision. However, he still needs some work on his back pedal as he can get too tall and will allow inside release too easy at times and then try to use his speed to come back over the top and jump the route.

Some teams might be scared off by a prospect, especially an underclassmen, who comes on so strong and so fast in the postseason. There's a fear based on history as they have seen others over-draft players who then fail to play up to their workout results. However, this will not be the case with Houston, who combines both rare physical tools with the natural instincts and mental makeup to star at this position.

2. Leon Hall, Michigan. While he disproved the notion that he lacks the true straight-line speed to hang with most of the top-rated receivers in this draft, the best scenario for him is getting selected by a team that uses more zone than man coverage.

Hall, also used as the team's primary punt returner, is very good at attacking shorter routes, but he can get a little tall in his back pedal and get beaten by double moves. His 37.5” vertical and impressive short shuttle times indicate to teams while he was beaten deep a few times during the season, especially against USC, he may be more fluid than previously thought.

He will be a solid pro because of his work ethic, instincts and ability to read/see the ball early and make plays. He's smart and aggressive, is adept at creating turnovers, is willing to come up in run support, and is a steady open-field tackler. However, you cannot leave him alone in man coverage all day without having a big play or two occur.

His better-than-expected 40-times (4.44/4.48) at the combine likely will keep him among the top 12-15 picks. His maturity and experience of being a four-year starter in the Big Ten could help him challenge for a starting spot very early in his career.

3. Aaron Ross, Texas. His eye-opening senior campaign has driven up his stock more than expected thanks to his aggressiveness and terrific natural ball instincts.

Ross' ideal height (6-1), long arms and ability to stick on the hip of most receivers gives him the blend of talent to come off the board very early in the draft. His ability to make good reads and judgment when the ball is in the air should continue to grow since he spent the early portion of his career sitting behind guys such as Michael Huff, Nathan Vasher and Cedric Griffin.

He has an extra burst of closing speed on shorter routes and when coming up in run support. Even better, he is a willing and physical tackler in the open field – a lost art for most man cover guys. He was a little stiff in some of the agility and positional drills, but still posted very good times.

Ross, doubling as one of the team's primary return men, will provide instant help on special teams and could challenge for playing time right away because he plays mistake-free football. He's also a very coachable kid. Over time, he will develop into a solid NFL starter equal to that of the aforementioned Longhorns players.

4. Darrelle Revis, Pittsburgh. He's a good-sized defender (6-0, 200) with excellent speed, long arms, good ball skills, good instincts and the added bonus of possessing top-notch return skills.

Revis gets a very good break on the ball, can create breakups and has the hands to cause turnovers. For a bigger corner, he is decent in transition, but can get a bit tall in his back pedal and takes a few choppy steps at times. When he fails to use ideal technique, he draws penalties or gets beat inside to the spot. He shows good strength, is capable of playing bump-and-run and also knows how to time his leaps.

His added dimension of being an elite punt returner should also contribute to his final grade. A quick decision-maker, he uses his instincts, size and aggressiveness to contribute in run support.

5. Marcus McCauley, Fresno State. An All-American as a junior, McCauley was a bona fide candidate to challenge for top-10 draft spot this year. However, he regressed in many, most notably his aggressiveness.

He has long arms, big hands and moves better than most smaller defenders – 4.12 short shuttle and 6.68 3-cone to go along with 4.38 40-time and 36” vertical.

As a junior, he would jump up and jam receivers at the line, bully them some down the field and either cause the quarterback to throw to the other side of the field or go up and challenge for the ball or break up the play. Last season, he played with far less emotion and at times looked like he was just going through the motions or trying not to get injured. His back pedal and technique are still raw too often, he gambles too much, gets too tall or even gets caught flat-footed and then tries to use his burst to the ball. He struggled with double moves and tried to be more of a hitter than wrap up tackler this past season.

The positives are that these are all correctable flaws, but the fact that he is a world-class athlete at just under 6-1, 205 will not escape position coaches or West Coast area scouts on draft day. He was still inconsistent at the Senior Bowl practices, but lit it up at the combine and even looked better in the drills portion of the workout. If there is a run on corners in the mid-to-late portion of the first round, he could very well still be chosen between picks 20-32.
 
I'm not a huge draftnik (but love to speculate nonetheless). But with two WRs signed and a LB (plus BB's apparent obstinance to never draft a LB early) I'm thinking the Pats go two DBs in the first.

So to you draft folks out there who know more than I, who would be the best fit for the Pats?

I know there is a Fresno state kid out there who sounds like he's a physical BB type guy.

Who else?

The Fresno State kid you're talking about is Marcus McCauley 6" 203, 4.39.
BUT based on our DB draft history, BB only drafts DBs that have been productive in college. Look at guys like Scott, Reid, Samuels, Hobbs. All guys that were very productive in college. McCauley was benched his senior year which I would not equate with production. Simply put, productive player don't get benched.

With that being said, the Pats worked our Reggie Nelson from Florida.
But I'm sure Landry is the #1 safety on their board so if he somehow slipped to 18-20 I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade up.

As far as CB, I think Eric Weddle is a name you will hear a lot of. Productive player, smart, leader, positional flexibility. Played, S, CB, and even some WR. Always around the ball. Great overall football player.

Daymeion Hughes:
A very good natural athlete...Has pretty good size...Is very instinctive...Playmaker with excellent ball skills...His hips are smooth and fluid...Very productive and came away with a lot of interceptions during his career...Is physical and will support the run...Experienced and a hard worker with good intangibles...A special teams ace. (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/daymeionhughes.html)

Josh Wilson:
Has phenomenal speed...A tremendous natural athlete with excellent quickness, agility and leaping ability...Tough and physical guy who plays a lot bigger than he is and will help against the run...Smart with good instincts...Hips are fluid and he can turn and run with anyone...Is also a terrific return man...Has good bloodlines.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/joshwilson.html

When we draft CBs we look for three main abilities: tackling, ball skills, smarts. These kids can do it all, and ran the first ran a 4.65 (like Asante did). With that said, he could be exposed on deep balls against fast WR like any corner without top notch speed.

Just a few guys I'm looking at as potential fits.
 
idk bout 2 DBs ..what changes the fact that Bruschi is old and we dont have a very good ILB? Nothing. Thomas isnt young..Seau isnt back. We need youth for future. We still need an ILB

I agree. Honestly..I don't care if we take two ILB's. I'd rather not, but I wouldn't mind it. But we definitely need at least one. I think Leon Hall will be available when we pick, so Will/Posluszny then Leon Hall.

But if we did take two DB's...Leon Hall, Michael Griffin.
 
give me Davis Harris and a CB/S and im set
 
I would prefer a DB and Safety.
 
I'd be surprised if Leon Hall makes it past Pittsburgh. Also heard a rumor on Sirius NFL Radio that the Lions may be targeting Hall, if they trade down from #2. I'd jump all over him at 24...

I highly doubt the Pats will be picking at 24 and 28. I foresee some trades...

IMO, out of the cornerbacks I see guys like Leon Hall, Chris Houston, Darrelle Revis, Josh Wilson, and John Talley as Patriot type players...

Out of the safeties, you have the big three in Landry, Nelson, and Griffin. You also have Eric Weddle and Josh Gaddis. I don't think the Pats have the ammo to move up to be in a position to draft Landry. I'm on the Nelson bandwagon at this point, and believe he's the guy they need to be targeting. Unfortunately, I can't see him being available at 24. Especially with Jacksonville and Dallas needing safeties. The Pats would likely need to trade 24 and 28 to move above 17 to have a realistic shot at Nelson. Which I would do, if they pick up a second rounder as part of a deal...
 
Pats will take an LB in round one unless they trade up for Laron Landry.
 
Don't know about drafting an ILB high. Most college teams don't play a 3-4 and MLBs are too small to play for the pats.

Willis is 240 though and Harris is about that.

I see them taking Revis in the first, Anthony Spencer in a trade down into the second. Sabby Piscatelli S in the 4th.

I wanted them to draft Johnny Lee Higgins in the 3rd but now they have so many WRs there may not be room.
 
For MLB - Give me Patrick Willis.

Of the CBs - I like Houston, Revis, or Ross.

I don't have much opinion on Safeties but I hear Landry is probably a can't miss type of prospect.

Also, as much as it pains me to say it - Don't rule out a tight end. :mad:
 
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I agree, now with BB making WR a priority in free agency (which since it was an immediate need, that makes a helluva lot more sense than drafting a WR and waiting a year or two for them to develop) that Defense will be the focus of the draft

A Safety and CB in the first round is my prediction... with a later round pick on a tweener LB

I don't know who fits the mold - my only advice is let Rodney have some input into drafting a Safety
 
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For MLB - Give me Patrick Willis.

Of the CBs - I like Houston, Revis, or Ross.

I don't have much opinion on Safeties but I hear Landry is probably a can't miss type of prospect.

Also, as much as it pains me to say it - Don't rule out a tight end. :mad:

Landry isnt a "cant miss prospect". Im pretty sure the only cant miss Safety was Sean Taylor but no 1 that dominant has come out yet. Landry isnt a monster or a real playmaker but he does every very well and hes a leader. He can hit, he can cover.

He reminds me of Dawkins in many ways..
-hes a leader
-he hits hard
-can play in box
-he can cover
-can play free or strong
-hes fast
 
Landry isnt a "cant miss prospect". Im pretty sure the only cant miss Safety was Sean Taylor but no 1 that dominant has come out yet. Landry isnt a monster or a real playmaker but he does every very well and hes a leader. He can hit, he can cover.

He reminds me of Dawkins in many ways..
-hes a leader
-he hits hard
-can play in box
-he can cover
-can play free or strong
-hes fast

I'm pretty sure Reed was a can't miss prospect and was well worth the pick. Only problem with Sean Tayler is that he's a thug and has some off the field issues, otherwise he is a beast.

Well if Landry can play on the level of a young Dawkins I'd take that any day. He's probably not dropping to 24 though. It will be interesting to see if the Pats move up aggressively to target a guy or if they stay put and let the players come to them.
 
If Nelson is gone I think we have to consider Merriweather even with his off field problems. Brandon Meriweather NFL DRAFT PROSPECT SCOUTING REPORT
Ranked #29 on our Top 100 Prospects Board

Position: FS
School & Year/Status: Miami - Senior
Height & Weight: 6'0 - 195 lbs.

2007 NFL Draft Prospect - Scouting Report
Brandon Meriweather played in 49 games at Miami and was a starter in the secondary the past two seasons. He showed his versatility by playing both safety positions during that time and has even played cornerback due to numerous team injuries. He displays excellent tacking ability and is not afraid to move up and play the run. Meriweather is solid in coverage, whether man-to-man or zone. Although he has a compact frame, Meriweather can lay a hard hit on opposing receivers and will make them think twice before crossing the middle of the field. He is a tremendous athlete with outstanding hands and exceptional closing speed to the ball. His talent and potential are never in question, but his conduct both on and off the field may be a concern for his new team. Meriweather continues to improve and has all the ability and talent to become an impact player at the next level. His conduct aside, he clearly has an unbelievable upside to become a playmaker for many years to come in the NFL. He should be one of the top defensive backs selected in the draft, most likely going in the mid-to-late first round.
 
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