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The Seattle Seahawks have released defensive end Grant Wistrom. This is yet another step in the team’s constant process of reinventing its defensive line.

It is also a somewhat expected move, as team president Tim Ruskell had said that after Seattle recently signed former Atlanta Falcons DE Patrick Kerney to a six-year, $39.5 million deal, Wistrom would be asked to restructure his own contract, which was six years and $33 million, signed in March of 2004.

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lets get him:D
 
lets get him:D

Grant Wistrom is one of my favorite players, there really isn't anything not to like about him...other than the fact that he has absolutely no place in our 3-4defense.
 
http://seahawks.scout.com/2/625179.html

The Seattle Seahawks have released defensive end Grant Wistrom. This is yet another step in the team’s constant process of reinventing its defensive line.

It is also a somewhat expected move, as team president Tim Ruskell had said that after Seattle recently signed former Atlanta Falcons DE Patrick Kerney to a six-year, $39.5 million deal, Wistrom would be asked to restructure his own contract, which was six years and $33 million, signed in March of 2004.

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Sounds like he is to make $3.5 mil in Salary this season. If so, I would sign him and play more 4-3.
 
Cousins,
Speaking of relased guys.
The following is from KFFL.
This would be an excellent pick up!

Patriots | Team interested in Hartwell
Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:06:22 -0800

Albert Breer, of the MetroWest Daily News, reports the New England Patriots are interested in unrestricted free-agent LB Edgerton Hartwell (Falcons).

DW Toys
 
This can and will be used against you.

Um, yeah. I think anyone reading this thread lost IQ points. Sure, lets mess our defense up for a player who's pretty much done! /sarcasm.
 
I don't understand Seattle releasing Wistrom at all. He's not very good. But, it costs them $2.2 million more in total cap money to cut him than to keep him. Sure, they can defer part of the dead money to 2008, but why cut a guy who is at least a "just a guy" when you are upside down on his cap number?

Crazy. Who knows. Maybe they have pictures of him and Holmgren's wife or something?
 
I don't understand Seattle releasing Wistrom at all. He's not very good. But, it costs them $2.2 million more in total cap money to cut him than to keep him. Sure, they can defer part of the dead money to 2008, but why cut a guy who is at least a "just a guy" when you are upside down on his cap number?

Crazy. Who knows. Maybe they have pictures of him and Holmgren's wife or something?

He's more than JAG. He was one of their defensive leaders last season during their Super Bowl run.
 
Umm... Grant Wistrom is the poster child for mediocrity. I said the same thing about McGahee, but it's true about Grant as well. He got a monster deal a few years back, and has Edgerton-Hartwell-slash-Leonard-Davis'ed his way into being overpaid like Moby's hairstylist.
 
The truth about the salary cap

I don't understand Seattle releasing Wistrom at all. He's not very good. But, it costs them $2.2 million more in total cap money to cut him than to keep him. Sure, they can defer part of the dead money to 2008, but why cut a guy who is at least a "just a guy" when you are upside down on his cap number?

Forgive me if you were being sarcastic, but this is whack.

Salary cap dollars == real dollars.

Every single dollar that you pay to a player goes to your salary cap number. Every dollar of cap corresponds to a dollar that was actually given to a player.

A lot of attention is being paid to which dollar counts against which year's cap. This isn't really important. Teams can move dollars between years by restructuring contracts, using fake LTBE incentives, and numerous other options.

Bottom line: The only thing that really matters is how much cash your team pays its players. The salary cap is just a (highly fungible) accounting mechanism which is used to keep track of this.



Had Seattle kept Wistrom, they would have had to pay him $3.5M in salary.

Now they don't.

Paying $3.5M less in salary means $3.5M less in cap.

Before 2007, Seattle paid Wistrom $7M in bonus money which has not yet been counted against the cap. Now those dollars are going to count against the cap.

Apparently they will elect to have 1/3 of that appear in the 2007, and 2/3 in 2008 (they could have taken 100% in 2007).

It doesn't matter. If they need more cap in 2007 and less in 2008, they can restructure. If they need more cap in 2008 and less in 2007, they can use late season LTBEs.

If they hadn't cut Wistrom, the $7M in bonus money would have counted against the cap with 1/3 in 2007, 1/3 in 2008 and 1/3 in 2009.



Its true that excessive use of deals with big signing bonuses and restructuring (which usually means giving the player a new signing bonus in lieu of current and future salary) can eventually hurt a team. This is because:

1. They will have to give players front loaded contracts, which prevents them from cutting unproductive players and:

2. The cash against cap provision of the CBA will create a salary cap penalty in years when both your team and the league as a whole exceed the cash cap. (In 2006, the league as a whole fell short of the cash cap, resulting in the recent upwards adjustment of the salary cap for all teams in 2007-2011).

However, neither of these points become a serious problem until teams have already pulled tens of millions of dollars from their future salary caps.
 
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Cousins,
Speaking of relased guys.
The following is from KFFL.
This would be an excellent pick up!

Patriots | Team interested in Hartwell
Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:06:22 -0800

Albert Breer, of the MetroWest Daily News, reports the New England Patriots are interested in unrestricted free-agent LB Edgerton Hartwell (Falcons).

DW Toys

Did you miss the Ed Hartwell thread where this same quote was posted about 3 hrs. before you posted it, cousin? :confused:
 
Re: The truth about the salary cap

Forgive me if you were being sarcastic, but this is whack.

Salary cap dollars == real dollars
Every single dollar that you pay to a player goes to your salary cap number. Every dollar of cap corresponds to a dollar that was actually given to a player..


Solman, I'd like to suggest to you that you take a visit to the following link:
http://www.patscap.com

Study that link. Read the FAQ. When you do, you will realize that you are INCORRECT. Salary Cap dollars does NOT equal real dollars. Salary Cap dollars is a LOT MORE. It is a combination of the Signing bonus Amortization, LTBE bonus potentials, and actual salary. You will also realize that any remaining signing bonus amortization that a player has beyond the current year gets accelerated into the current year if the player is cut. That is why what hwc saids was correct and what you said is FALSE.

A lot of attention is being paid to which dollar counts against which year's cap. This isn't really important. Teams can move dollars between years by restructuring contracts, using fake LTBE incentives, and numerous other options.

This is true to an extent. But I don't believe you actually understand the concepts because of your previous statement.

Bottom line: The only thing that really matters is how much cash your team pays its players. The salary cap is just a (highly fungible) accounting mechanism which is used to keep track of this.

Had Seattle kept Wistrom, they would have had to pay him $3.5M in salary.

Now they don't.

Paying $3.5M less in salary means $3.5M less in cap.

No. You are wrong. Because of the remaining signing bonus amortization that is accelerated into this year. Wistrom signed his contract in 2004. It was a 6 year deal with a $14 million signing bonus. That is 2.33 million PER YEAR against the cap just from his signing bonus. His salary this year was 1.5 million with a total cap hit of 3.83 million. Because he was CUT, the 3 years remaining of signing bonus amrotization hits the Seattle cap. That total is about 7 million. Now, 7 million minus 3.83 is 3.27 million. That is how much MORE Seattle has to take against the cap for cutting Wistrom.


Seattle has paid Wistrom $7M which has not yet appeared on the cap. Apparently they will elect to have 1/3 of that appear in the 2007, and 2/3 in 2008 (they could have taken 100% in 2007).

I believe that the ONLY day that they could split the cap hit up between the two years was March 2nd. Otherwise it was after June 1st. I will defer to Miguel, though, for clarification.

It doesn't matter. If they need more cap in 2007 and less in 2008, they can restructure. If they need more cap in 2008 and less in 2007, they can use late season LTBEs.

Over use of restructuring will eventually cost a team because:

1. They will have to give players front loaded contracts, which prevents them from cutting unproductive players, and provides an incentive late in contracts to hold out and:

2. The cash against cap provision of the CBA will create a salary cap penalty in years when both your team and the league as a whole exceed the cash cap. (In 2006, the league as a whole fell short of the cash cap, resulting in the recent upwards adjustment of the salary cap for all teams in 2007-2011).

However, neither of these points become a serious problem until teams have already pulled tens of millions of dollars from their future salary caps.

Again, I don't believe you fully grasp the cap because you make what appear to be erroneous assumptions about the cap.
 
Re: The truth about the salary cap

Solman, I'd like to suggest to you that you take a visit to the following link:
http://www.patscap.com

Study that link. Read the FAQ.When you do, you will realize that you are INCORRECT. Salary Cap dollars does NOT equal real dollars. Salary Cap dollars is a LOT MORE. It is a combination of the Signing bonus Amortization, LTBE bonus potentials, and actual salary. You will also realize that any remaining signing bonus amortization that a player has beyond the current year gets accelerated into the current year if the player is cut. That is why what hwc saids was correct and what you said is FALSE.

Don't be a moron. Every single thing I said was absolutely correct. Clearly there are some remedial salary cap leasons in your future.

Signing bonus, LTBE bonus potentials, and actual salary are all actual dollars. The only sophistication is determining which dollars count against which year.

As I have explained, it doesn't matter which year a dollar counts against since, unless you are severely cap handicapped, you can use late season LTBEs and contract restructuring (amongst other techniques) to move cap space between years.


No. You are wrong. Because of the remaining signing bonus amortization that is accelerated into this year. Wistrom signed his contract in 2004. It was a 6 year deal with a $14 million signing bonus. That is 2.33 million PER YEAR against the cap just from his signing bonus. His salary this year was 1.5 million with a total cap hit of 3.83 million. Because he was CUT, the 3 years remaining of signing bonus amrotization hits the Seattle cap. That total is about 7 million. Now, 7 million minus 3.83 is 3.27 million. That is how much MORE Seattle has to take against the cap for cutting Wistrom.

I believe that the ONLY day that they could split the cap hit up between the two years was March 2nd. Otherwise it was after June 1st. I will defer to Miguel, though, for clarification.

Here is a hint. BEFORE you declare me to be wrong about something, get your facts straight.

profootballtalk said:
Per Howard Balzer of the Sports Xchange, Wistrom will continue to count $5.833 million against the cap. After June 1, his cap figure for 2007 will drop to $2.33 million. In 2008, Wistrom will account for $4.67 million in dead money.

$5.833 - $2.333 = $3.5M due for keeping him on the roster this year.

And here is the relevant portion of the CBA which limits elective acceleration to two players per team per year, but places no time limit on it (although it obviously has to be between the start of the league year and June 1 to be useful).

NFL CBA said:
For any player removed from the Team’s roster, or whose Contract is assigned to another Club via waivers or trade, on or before June 1 in any League Year prior to the Final Capped Year, or at any time during the Final Capped Year, any unamortized signing bonus amounts will be included in Team Salary for such League Year, except that for each League Year preceding the Final Capped Year, each Club may designate up to two Player Contracts that, if terminated on or prior to June 1 and if not renegotiated after the last regular season game of the prior League Year, shall be treated (except to the extent prescribed by Section 7(d)(iii) below) as if terminated on June 2, i.e., the Salary Cap charge for each such contract will remain in the Club’s Team Salary until June 2, at which time its Paragraph 5 Salary and any unearned LTBE incentives will no longer be counted and any unamortized signing bonus will be treated as set forth in Subsection (2) below. If acceleration puts a Team over the Salary Cap, the Team will have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap, but may not sign any players until there is Room to do so under the Salary Cap.
 
Solman:

You are certainly correct. Any salary the Seahawks pay Wistrom this year increases the total cap dollars they spend on him. Specifically, they increase his total remaining cap dollars from $7 million to $10.5 million.

However, they also get a year of production. So the real savings is the $3.5 million minus the cost of a replacement player. My understanding is that Wistrom has started every game for the last two years and, while not particularly good, is at least an average starting NFL defensive end. Unless you draft a guy, I think it would be difficult to replace an average starting NFL defensive end for less than $3.5 million. I haven't seen any concensus that the new FA they just signed at $6 million per year is any better than Wistrom was when they signed him. Looks to me like they are just churning their roster.
 
Solman:

You are certainly correct. Any salary the Seahawks pay Wistrom this year increases the total cap dollars they spend on him. Specifically, they increase his total remaining cap dollars from $7 million to $10.5 million.

However, they also get a year of production. So the real savings is the $3.5 million minus the cost of a replacement player. My understanding is that Wistrom has started every game for the last two years and, while not particularly good, is at least an average starting NFL defensive end. Unless you draft a guy, I think it would be difficult to replace an average starting NFL defensive end for less than $3.5 million. I haven't seen any concensus that the new FA they just signed at $6 million per year is any better than Wistrom was when they signed him. Looks to me like they are just churning their roster.

For whatever a rumor is worth, PFT published this little diddy:

WISTROM DONE?

The talk in league circles in the immediate wake of the release of defensive end Grant Wistrom by the Seahawks is that Wistrom is done.

Physically, the belief is that he's shot. In fact, there are concerns that he would not be able to pass a physical. There also are concerns regarding whether Wistrom even has the desire to play.

With that said, Wistrom started in all 18 regular-season and playoff games last season.

Wistrom, a nine-year veteran, had 11.5 sacks in three seasons with the Seahawks. And he received $14 million in guaranteed money.

Even absent hard evidence, that kind of talk would certainly spook me.
 
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