Josh McDaniels

[SalemPats]

It's that time of year where coaches are fired or on the hot seat. Will McDaniels get a head coaching job? Does he deserve one (I kind of think no right now, it's all BB and Brady).

-Perhaps if he didn't draft Tebow and go nuts when he beat us he would still be in Denver. Moreno and Thomas look good.

 

[fumbrunner]

I think he sticks around and takes over for BB when he retires. Just a guess.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think he sticks around and takes over for BB when he retires. Just a guess.

WATCH IT! bumrunner

 

[Gronkandez]

It's that time of year where coaches are fired or on the hot seat. Will McDaniels get a head coaching job? Does he deserve one (I kind of think no right now, it's all BB and Brady).

-Perhaps if he didn't draft Tebow and go nuts when he beat us he would still be in Denver. Moreno and Thomas look good.

So you're saying if he didn't go nuts after they beat the Pats he would still be coaching in Denver?

He isn't going anywhere.

 

[JMarr]

I would imagine he'll get an interview or two. This is a guy who BB has pretty much completely trusted to run the offense for a long time, and who has HC experience (however lousy it was). I don't think dinosaurs like Cowher and Chucky are going to be walking through that door anymore.

It's weird how nothing has really changed from 2008--OC of the NE Patriots is still the perfect gig for Josh IMO. It's rare, but there's a reason why some very smart coordinators like **** LeBeau decide to just stick to what they do best. As much as I bag on him at times, I hope McD stays where he is for now.

 

[Sciz]

I hope goes somewhere and then trades for Mallett

 

[Brady6]

I think he sticks around and takes over for BB when he retires. Just a guess.

I think that would be the worst decision in the history of this franchise.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

I think that would be the worst decision in the history of this franchise.

If that's the case.....let's all pray Bob Kraft already has him penciled in for the slot.

Nothing like a coach for a ages on the staff and directing the offense.

 

[Claremonster]

Why was he such a terrible coach? His first year he gets rid of most of the riff raff and drafted ok.

BB didn't do that great in his first go round with the Browns...and he ended up doing great.

I'm not saying that McD will be BB...just that Gruden had a longer rope in Oakland then McD had. Denver should have gave him more time to figgur sh it out.

I don't think he is the terrible coach that his rep gets. BB see's something in him.

 

[Ian]

WATCH IT! bumrunner

Get used to the idea. Reiss mentioned it years ago when McDaniels went to Denver. Ever since he came back, all the whispers seem to indicate that if BB hangs it up in 2-3 years that's the way it would play out.

He retires, McDaniels gets Brady to transition for a couple seasons, and then they move on to the next chapter. Scary to think about, but that seems to be the way things are headed.

 

[Brady6]

If that's the case.....let's all pray Bob Kraft already has him penciled in for the slot.

Nothing like a coach for a ages on the staff and directing the offense.

McDaniel’s took over Denver in 2009; the team won the first 6 games he coached and then it proceeded to go 2-8 the rest of that season and followed that up with a 4-12 record in 2010 so essentially he won 6 of the first 6 games he coached and then won 6 of the next 26 games he coached. He was fired by Denver (their record is 31-13 since his exit) and signed on to be the offensive coordinator of the Rams, that team went 2-14 and average 12.1 points per game, the Rams (their record is 13-15-1 and offensively the 2012 team average 18.7 points per game and in 2013 they average 23.2 points per game) willingly let him return to the Patriots. Josh is not successful at all away from Belichick and I have no reason to believe it would be any different here after Belichick retired.

 

[Deus Irae]

McDaniel’s took over Denver in 2009; the team won the first 6 games he coached and then it proceeded to go 2-8 the rest of that season and followed that up with a 4-12 record in 2010 so essentially he won 6 of the first 6 games he coached and then won 6 of the next 26 games he coached. He was fired by Denver (their record is 31-13 since his exit) and signed on to be the offensive coordinator of the Rams, that team went 2-14 and average 12.1 points per game, the Rams (their record is 13-15-1 and offensively the 2012 team average 18.7 points per game and in 2013 they average 23.2 points per game) willingly let him return to the Patriots. Josh is not successful at all away from Belichick and I have no reason to believe it would be any different here after Belichick retired.

This is another example of why numbers are misleading. McDaniels had a bad first draft, and he had to cut loose from Sheffler, Cutler and Marshall. He was also taking a 4-3 team and transitioning it to a 3-4, but wasn't able to get his NT at the start. His second draft, while an excellent one, featured a player who hurt his foot and took 2 seasons to really get over that as his top pick. That's on ownership. You don't give a new staff carte blanche with the understanding that they're going to completely overhaul your team and then cut bait early on when you go through a not surprising rough patch.

As for the post-McDaniels stuff, I assume you're kidding with that. The next staff transitioned to Tebow under duress, and then had Peyton Manning fall into its lap.

 

[Zeus]

I think that would be the worst decision in the history of this franchise.

Anyone who has any reasonable perspective on the 50+ year history of the Boston/New England Patriots would have to regard this as an overstatement of epic proportion.

 

[mgteich]

This is reasonable speculation by Reiss. Josh could take a job elsewhere, but staying here seems right. I would expect the next move would be for Dante to retire and for Josh to be the Assistant Head Coach.

Get used to the idea. Reiss mentioned it years ago when McDaniels went to Denver. Ever since he came back, all the whispers seem to indicate that if BB hangs it up in 2-3 years that's the way it would play out.

He retires, McDaniels gets Brady to transition for a couple seasons, and then they move on to the next chapter. Scary to think about, but that seems to be the way things are headed.

 

[Brady6]

This is another example of why numbers are misleading. McDaniels had a bad first draft, and he had to cut loose from Sheffler, Cutler and Marshall. He was also taking a 4-3 team and transitioning it to a 3-4, but wasn't able to get his NT at the start. His second draft, while an excellent one, featured a player who hurt his foot and took 2 seasons to really get over that as his top pick. That's on ownership. You don't give a new staff carte blanche with the understanding that they're going to completely overhaul your team and then cut bait early on when you go through a not surprising rough patch.

As for the post-McDaniels stuff, I assume you're kidding with that. The next staff transitioned to Tebow under duress, and then had Peyton Manning fall into its lap.

So what you’re telling me is the bad draft didn’t affect his first 6 games but did affect the next 26 games in Denver? He did not do well in Denver he made many mistakes, had conflicts with players and overall was one of the biggest failures as a head coach in the NFL in recent memory. He was not very good in his time in St. Louis either actually that offense was awful and in his time here he hasn’t done anything that I would be inclined to call impressive, actually a lot of what he does causes an alternate reaction in my mind.

As far as the record goes I was just pointing out the before and after, but Fox did take a team that was 6-20 in its previous 26 games and led it to an 8-8 record with Tebow as the QB.

 

[ausbacker]

So what you’re telling me is the bad draft didn’t affect his first 6 games but did affect the next 26 games in Denver? He did not do well in Denver he made many mistakes, had conflicts with players and overall was one of the biggest failures as a head coach in the NFL in recent memory. He was not very good in his time in St. Louis either actually that offense was awful and in his time here he hasn’t done anything that I would be inclined to call impressive, actually a lot of what he does causes an alternate reaction in my mind.

As far as the record goes I was just pointing out the before and after, but Fox did take a team that was 6-20 in its previous 26 games and led it to an 8-8 record with Tebow as the QB.

There's a slight difference between Kyle Orton, Chris Simms, Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning wouldn't you say?

I'm not one in favor of McDaniels succeeding Belichick (I'd like a defensively minded Head Coach) but you're misremembering history Brady6. For one reason or another, people think programs can be turned around on a dime in the NFL. That simply doesn't happen nor does it ensure long term success. McDaniels made his mistakes but he also built the foundation that is the current Broncos team.

 

[Deus Irae]

So what you’re telling me is the bad draft didn’t affect his first 6 games but did affect the next 26 games in Denver?

No, I'm telling you precisely what I told you.

He did not do well in Denver he made many mistakes, had conflicts with players and overall was one of the biggest failures as a head coach in the NFL in recent memory. He was not very good in his time in St. Louis either actually that offense was awful and in his time here he hasn’t done anything that I would be inclined to call impressive, actually a lot of what he does causes an alternate reaction in my mind.

He did fine in Denver for a first time coach dealing with horrible QB and WR situations that had NOTHING to do with him. Your anti-McDaniels bias is noted. That doesn't change the fact that your argument is an excellent example of why just using the numbers is often misleading.

As far as the record goes I was just pointing out the before and after, but Fox did take a team that was 6-20 in its previous 26 games and led it to an 8-8 record with Tebow as the QB.

No, you were using what you knew was a disingenuous argument in order to bolster a very weak point.

 

[Brady6]

Anyone who has any reasonable perspective on the 50+ year history of the Boston/New England Patriots would have to regard this as an overstatement of epic proportion.

I am not sure how you can conclude that, basically what you've written here is that you disagree with my assertion.

Otherwise you’re suggesting that we replace the greatest head coach in the history of the NFL with a guy that was 12-20 as a head coach, lost 20 of his last 26 games, was fired and accepted the offensive coordinator job team with the Rams who were 7-9 and averaged 18.1 PPG the season before, and they were 2-14 record and average 12.1 PPG in 2012 with McDaniels on staff.

I will stick with my overstatement.

 

[Brady6]

No, I'm telling you precisely what I told you

You’re suggesting that his having a bad draft was the reason for not doing well, and saying that he was switching to a 3-4 defense without a nose tackle. Well most smart coaches take Belichick for example use their personnel in the best positions they don’t just switch to a 3-4 because they think it’s a good idea. The fact is Fox came along the switched the team back to the 4-3 it was suited to be in and the team allowed 6 points less per game in year 1 and 12 points less per game in year 2. That has nothing to do with Manning either it has to do with coaching and putting players in the best role to succeed.

He did fine in Denver for a first time coach dealing with horrible QB and WR situations that had NOTHING to do with him. Your anti-McDaniels bias is noted. That doesn't change the fact that your argument is an excellent example of why just using the numbers is often misleading.

You’re clearly high on McDaniels because that’s the only way you could be foolish enough to say he did fine. He had a .375 win percentage on what planet is that fine?

No, you were using what you knew was a disingenuous argument in order to bolster a very weak point.

Ok the Broncos was 16-16 in the season before and the season after McDaniels and Manning was not there for either of those season.

 

[Brady6]

There's a slight difference between Kyle Orton, Chris Simms, Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning wouldn't you say?

I'm not one in favor of McDaniels succeeding Belichick (I'd like a defensively minded Head Coach) but you're misremembering history Brady6. For one reason or another, people think programs can be turned around on a dime in the NFL. That simply doesn't happen nor does it ensure long term success. McDaniels made his mistakes but he also built the foundation that is the current Broncos team.

It’s not about turning it around it’s about a trend of poor play.

• 2008 the Broncos finish tied for 1st in the AFC West with an 8-8 behind their 3rd year QB Jay Cutler who was 3rd in the NFL with 4,526 passing yards and 7th in the NFL with 25 touchdown passes.
• 2009 Josh comes along the team wins its first 6 games and but finishes 2-8.
• 2010 the team wins 2 of its first 4 and then goes 2-10 the rest of the season.
• 2011 John Fox takes over the team starts 2-5 but Fox gets them on track as the season progresses and the team finishes up 6-3 makes the playoffs and wins 1 game before losing to us in the divisional game.

So there you have a team trending forward, Josh comes in turns that trend downward quickly and when he leaves John Fox is able to turn it back around.