Detroit shopping around #2 pick for two other picks in 1st round?...hmmm

[pats63]

The Lions would be even dummer than I though if they acceped that deal.

You said it all,bro :eat2: :singing:

 

[zippo59]

Calvin Johnson wouldn't suck if Jeff George was his QB.

Let's not get carried away here. I get the feeling that some people here think Calvin Johnson walks on water.

 

[signbabybrady]

Let's not get carried away here. I get the feeling that some people here think Calvin Johnson walks on water.

not sure about walk but with his speed he might just hydro plane on water

 

[PATRIOT64]

Let's not get carried away here. I get the feeling that some people here think Calvin Johnson walks on water.

Maybe not 'Walks' on water but heard he can 'Crawl' as fast as hell

 

[Seymour93]

Let's not get carried away here. I get the feeling that some people here think Calvin Johnson walks on water.

I'm not proclaiming Johnson to be the messiah, but he's the best WR prospect to come through the draft in a long time. You must admit.

 

[PATRIOT64]

I'm not proclaiming Johnson to be the messiah, but he's the best WR prospect to come through the draft in a long time. You must admit.

He is this years Reggie Bush...And I bet he has a better year than Bush did as a rookie although Bush was impressive in several games last year and I am betting Bush is in Hawaii next year...Maybe not the SB but in Hawaii-Of course he will be there with Calvin.

 

[zippo59]

I'm not proclaiming Johnson to be the messiah, but he's the best WR prospect to come through the draft in a long time. You must admit.

He does have everything you look for, especially in terms of measureables but that that doesn't mean he wouldn't be hurt by having a runningback throw him the ball.

But just because Johnson wouldn't suck doesn't mean Vick wouldn't. Vick has one of the best TE in the game to throw to but he still continues to stink.

 

[Seymour93]

But just because Johnson wouldn't suck doesn't mean Vick wouldn't. Vick has one of the best TE in the game to throw to but he still continues to stink.

I know. But you said they would still be blaming Johnson for Vick's performance. What I'm saying is that even with Vick, Johnson would outperform his QB, diverting the blame to another hapless soul. Johnson's QB in college was basically a RB too. In fact, Reggie Ball is so bad that they're moving him to WR.

Why are we talking about this? Ohh yeah we're convincing Matt Millen to take our two number ones for the second overall pick which we're then trading to the Falcons for their #10 and a future draft pick.

 

[patsox23]

#24, #28 and Marquise Hill.

Then trade back into the early teens and get Landry/Willis and a 2nd.

 

[DW Toys]

Cousins,
David Haugh from the Chicago Tribune denies this "Block Buster" trade rumor. Would the Bears consider it? Would The Godfather and SP? Lets consider this rumor and remember it's only a stupid rumor,but there is another rumor in Chicago on their site saying the Lions are offereing two first for Briggs and a second.

The Pats rumor (purely just that) is a win for both teams, it doesn't involve Matt Millen either and saves the Bears FO some serious face.

Lance Briggs and Bernard Berrian and the Bears #2 choice in this years draft (Jets) for the NE Pats two #1's and FS Eugene Wilson (the Bears need a safety and at least Wilson is a decent starter for the PATS before a hammy last year, He is young and has a couple of SB rings, he is an U of Illinois allumni and is recovered to play in 2007) plus Pats former 2nd round draft pick, DE Marquis Hill (with the flexibility of A. Thomas the Pats just signed, he would have limited playing time in 2007). He would be a good young back up for the Bears with injuries in their "D" line. Obviously Bill B did see something in this kid at 6' 6'' and 300lbs as he made the Pats every year.

What does this accomplish, class?.........The Pats get a WR they still need (Stallworth?...nyet!). They would be set at LB (COULD HE PLAY MLB?) as the NE LB's have some years on them and now, get younger.

How 'bout Da Bears? They get rid of a pain in the a** problem who will be disruptive without a doubt (see D. Branch and what it did to the Pats). This saves the Bears FO face. The Bears get not one, but two #1's for a total of three. The Bears get a safety they desperately need that happens to be from U. of Illinois. He could start. They get a backup DL who could blossom under Lovie.

The CAP deal works because of the trades as they should even out. It's a WIN for everyone. It gets the PATS two players they can use now and makes them better. It gives the Bears flexibility with (3) three number one choices in this years draft, plus two reasonable players (at least Wilson has a decent game history) and yes, there a fleet of WR in this years draft to replace Bernard. Plus Lance Briggs is causing a rift with Urlacher and wants to get paid more than #54. What happen when #54 gets ready for a new deal?

The Pats still have some CAP room to offer Briggs a better deal.

Stepping back from this deal, Briggs is a superb player, but burnt his bridges and croaked management.

Bernard Berrian is a good upcoming WR, but surely not an elite one right now and on the smallish side. He did start some though. Perhaps the Pats see him as a field stretcher? I think he could be!

Wilson of NE has started since his rookie year and has been dinged up the last two seasons but not of the carreer incapacitating type. He's got a couple of rings and he went to school locally. He is still young and a Bears need.

Hill was never going to get into the DE rotation with Seymour, Warren, Green and now Thomas upon occasion, but he had enough talent to have the Pats draft him in the second round and is 6' 6" and 300lbs. Certainly a good young Chicago backup especially with recent injuries.

I think the Pats are giving up way too much for a malcontent, albeit a superb player, and especially two #1's?

This HOT rumor makes so much sense it scares me.

This is an actual quote from The Chicago Tribunes David A. Haugh translated for typos:
"Bears haven't received a single call and no way Pioli gives up 2 No. 1s to invest 20 million in ANOTHER outside linebacker"

Who said he can't play MLB?


DW Toys

 

[smg93]

If the Lions offered their #2 for our two first round picks, BB and Pioli would definitely take it when they know that there are more than enough teams out there willing to give up more for a #2 pick. They'll trade that away for a #8-10 this year, another first round pick next year and a bunch of picks in the next rounds.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

not sure about walk but with his speed he might just hydro plane on water

He evokes memories of Remo Williams, doesn't he?

 

[patsox23]

That Bears rumor is so ridiculous it would get a Newbie exiled here.

 

[Bertil]

Even if BB/SP could swing a deal for the #2 Pick, does anyone seriously think that Calvin Johnson would be the choice? I'm certain they would take Joe Thomas instead. They just tend to value the line positions higher than the "skill" positions from what I've seen.

 

[upstater1]

Even if BB/SP could swing a deal for the #2 Pick, does anyone seriously think that Calvin Johnson would be the choice? I'm certain they would take Joe Thomas instead. They just tend to value the line positions higher than the "skill" positions from what I've seen.

If they did that, I'd be 99.9% certain that Johnson would be the choice.

I think they prefer to develop offensive lineman than draft them highly. Mankins is our highest draftee at #32.

We've never offered a lineman the type of money we've offered to a wideout (Branch and Mason).

Plus, Johnson is by far and away the most talented player in this draft.

 

[Big Bucks]

Let's not get carried away here. I get the feeling that some people here think Calvin Johnson walks on water.

Well, he's no Stallworth is he!

 

[JoeSixPat]

I don't see anyone can justify the 24 and 28 for the 2 straight up, even the Lions. If they ever made that trade they should be kicked out the NFL. lol

Normally I would agree with you - the draft value chart says that the Pats two picks are worth #8.

Of course, the salary commanded by #2 alone is much more than the combined salary of #24 & #28. I think this is the reason why teams AREN'T interested in trading up and why Detroit would want to trade down...

... and given the fact that salary, as well as the potential to get two starters cheaper than one from the first round, does in my opinion make the Pats two picks worth MORE than #8 to many teams.

There are some who think that teams that consistently have a high pick in the first round are getting saddled with high salaries based not on production, but where they were drafted. This impacts the salary cap and their ability to sign PROVEN players as free agents.

In that sense the Top draft picks are not necessarilly a desired commodity - especially if you are a team who consistently is in the Top 5.

Now if you are the Patriots, who hasn't had a high draft pick since Richard Seymour, you recognize that salaries are very quickly beginning to catch up with the new cap amounts. Rookie salaries - for a slam dunk sure thing - however still represent value (though if you get two starters at #24 & #28 that's even MORE value)

So I don't rule out a trade up by the Patriots if they see the next Richard Seymour who they can have under contract at a relative bargain for the next 6 years (it's still 6 for 1st rounders, right?). Just like Seymour was underpaid, if they make the right choice so too would that player be.

So I don't think the Pats would discount a trade up out of hand given what's happenign with the salary cap and inflated salaries of Free Agents these days.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Normally I would agree with you - the draft value chart says that the Pats two picks are worth #8.

Of course, the salary commanded by #2 alone is much more than the combined salary of #24 & #28. I think this is the reason why teams AREN'T interested in trading up and why Detroit would want to trade down...

... and given the fact that salary, as well as the potential to get two starters cheaper than one from the first round, does in my opinion make the Pats two picks worth MORE than #8 to many teams.

There are some who think that teams that consistently have a high pick in the first round are getting saddled with high salaries based not on production, but where they were drafted. This impacts the salary cap and their ability to sign PROVEN players as free agents.

In that sense the Top draft picks are not necessarilly a desired commodity - especially if you are a team who consistently is in the Top 5.

Now if you are the Patriots, who hasn't had a high draft pick since Richard Seymour, you recognize that salaries are very quickly beginning to catch up with the new cap amounts. Rookie salaries - for a slam dunk sure thing - however still represent value (though if you get two starters at #24 & #28 that's even MORE value)

So I don't rule out a trade up by the Patriots if they see the next Richard Seymour who they can have under contract at a relative bargain for the next 6 years (it's still 6 for 1st rounders, right?). Just like Seymour was underpaid, if they make the right choice so too would that player be.

So I don't think the Pats would discount a trade up out of hand given what's happenign with the salary cap and inflated salaries of Free Agents these days.

I believe 1st rounders are indeed 6 year deals. 2nd rounders and below are 4 year deals max. Problem is that a top 2 pick is going to demand something like 9M a year/6 years and about 20M+ guaranteed money.
I like Calvin Johnson's talent, but for that much money and that long a commitment when he's unproven?

For proof check out what Mario Williams got last year:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12426774/

 

[TealSox]

With the way this off season has been going, I have to assume that everything is possible. Last year, I would never would have never entertained the idea that the Pats would trade up, just like I never would have believed that they would be agressive out the gate in free agency.

Chalk up the Detriot Lions as the NFL's current version of the Chicago Cubs. I can't route against them and can't help but feel sorry for them. Year after year, they have had top picks in the draft. Picks that most other teams would envy. Only they have come up empty. Go through the list and you can't hardly find a first round pick that wasn't highly ranked when the Lions selected them. Maybe they shouldn't had gone with WR over and over and over again, but who here hasn't dropped cash when gambling thinking that the luck has to change eventually?

Pipe dream... but I think this off season would be complete with a solid draft with Calvin Johnson heading it.