Do you even respect Peyton Manning?

[Ring 6]

at the end of the day he won 13 games last year most likely at least 13 this year. that's not an easy task. this is an NFL.

and they lost to a SB champ. and they clownstomped us last year. we couldn't even score on them in the 2nd half. so if you guys are gonna crap on peyton's performance than you gotta do the same to brady.

We beat the broncos last year

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Nothing personal against Peyton Manning. However, Tim Tebow helped lead his team to the Playoffs and won. While Peyton helped lead his team to the Playoffs and loss.

With that being said I have lots of respect for Peyton. He's an excellent QB.

and got crushed by us.

at the end of the day denver made a right decision to move on with tebow. tebow's success was not sustainable. dude is beyond atrocious as a passer. i bet peyton when he was 14 would've made better NFL throws.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

We beat the broncos last year

and?

bottom line they lost to a better team. just like we lost to a better team.

 

[PYPER]

Sorry but Peyton Manning doesn't even make my top #5. You guys sure you're just not listening to too much ESPN.

Brady.
Unitas.
Montana.
Elway.
Marino.

Not even sure if I could squeeze him on to a top #10 of all time.

I'm not sure how one can be that high on Marino and then dog Manning. Whatever criticisms exist of Manning apply ten-fold for Marino, who is by far the most overrated QB of all time, in my opinion.

Otto Graham needs to be on that list. He was the Tom Brady of his generation.

 

[Ring 6]

and?

bottom line they lost to a better team. just like we lost to a better team.

You said we were clowned by them

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not sure how one can be that high on Marino and then dog Manning. Whatever criticisms exist of Manning apply ten-fold for Marino, who is by far the most overrated QB of all time, in my opinion.

Otto Graham needs to be on that list. He was the Tom Brady of his generation.

The only way to argue Marino > Manning is that Marino did it before the league became a pass first league, and without the benefit of rule changes and things such as offensive holding actually being called in those days.
The ring and better postseason play, (yes as bad as Mannings post seasons have been, Marino was worse) outweigh that.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

You said we were clowned by them

my bad. i was talking about the ravens. they lost to the SB champ. we lost to the SB champ. but at least they scored 35 on them. we got blanked in the 2nd half.

 

[Christiancat]

and got crushed by us.

at the end of the day denver made a right decision to move on with tebow. tebow's success was not sustainable. dude is beyond atrocious as a passer. i bet peyton when he was 14 would've made better NFL throws.

The Broncos also lost to the Pats with Peyton as their QB. I am not sure why you had to bring Tebow up in a thread about Peyton. I also don't know why you feel the need to put Tebow down at every turn. I mean the guy is out of the NFL at the moment. I hope Tebow gets another chance, but who knows if he will. That's another story entirely.

I know Peyton is an excellent QB, but you don't need to use Tebow as means of propping up Peyton. As this thread really has nothing to do with Tebow. I disagree about Tebow being an atrocious passer. Tebow has his flaws no doubt, but he's not as bad as you are trying to make him out to be.

It seems to me that you are in here trying to talk up Peyton Manning as the best thing since slice bread. Yet fail to realize that despite how good Peyton is, he is not flawless. This thread is about whether you respect Peyton. So I will bring it back to that. I respect Peyton. He's an excellent QB. Best wishes to Peyton.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

I'm not sure how one can be that high on Marino and then dog Manning. Whatever criticisms exist of Manning apply ten-fold for Marino, who is by far the most overrated QB of all time, in my opinion.

Otto Graham needs to be on that list. He was the Tom Brady of his generation.

it's impossible to compare era to era. i'm 100% sure none of us watched otto graham other than few grainy highlights.

it was a different game. comparing past greats to today's players is like comparing galaxy note 3 to first motorolla cell phone that's bigger than a football

 

[Ring 6]

The Broncos also lost to the Pats with Peyton as their QB. I am not sure why you had to bring Tebow up in a thread about Peyton. I also don't know why you feel the need to put Tebow down at every turn. I mean the guy is out of the NFL at the moment. I hope Tebow gets another chance, but who knows if he will. That's another story entirely.

I know Peyton is an excellent QB, but you don't need to use Tebow as means of propping up Peyton. As this thread really has nothing to do with Tebow. I disagree about Tebow being an atrocious passer. Tebow has his flaws no doubt, but he's not as bad as you are trying to make him out to be.

It seems to me that you are in here trying to talk up Peyton Manning as the best thing since slice bread. Yet fail to realize that despite how good Peyton is, he is not flawless. This thread is about whether you respect Peyton. So I will bring it back to that. I respect Peyton. He's an excellent QB. Best wishes to Peyton.

In all fairness he did not bring up Tebow, someone else did in response to the claim that Manning took them from nothing to something, by pointing out very aptly that they won a playoff game with Tebow and did not with Manning.

 

[PATS16N0]

my bad. i was talking about the ravens. they lost to the SB champ. we lost to the SB champ. but at least they scored 35 on them. we got blanked in the 2nd half.

You're a closet Denver fan. This is the same exact dumb argument Bronco fans use despite the fact that the PATRIOTS buried the Broncos so hard Peyton stole our offense afterwards for this season.

In their deranged little minds, the Ravens beating us by more than they beat them erases the fact that WE buried the Broncos in head to head and makes Denver the better team.

Be a little more transparent about the fact that you're a trolling Bronco fan why don't you.

It's funny how it took Bronco fans about a day after signing Peyton to adopt all the backwards bizzaro-world logic that Colts fans used to make excuses for themselves for years.

 

[patsfan13]

Any list of the best QBs ever has to be heavily made up of QBs from the past 30 years because the role of the QB has been much greater.
You cant really compare QB of the 60s and 70s who threw 15-20 times a game to those that throw 40 times a game. It doesn't eliminate them but must be considered.
So here is my top 10.

1) Montana. This one isn't even debatable until Brady gets his 4th ring. Montana has 4 and Montana is far and away the biggest reason they won them.
2) Brady. The 4th ring would make him #1 on my list.
3) Unitas. Here you have a QB who did throw a lot in an era where most teams didn't. If you compare all QBs to their peers at the time they played Unitas stands out.
4) Graham. Again, the era and style of play must be considered, but he won like no one ever has.
5-10 is very, very tough to rank, and the order is very debatable.
5) Elway. 2 rings and led a flawed team to many AFCCGs and won many of them.
6) Aikman. Usually gets overlooked because the Cowboys had a strong running game, but he has 3 rings and he was as good as any QB at his peak.
7) Bradshaw. Can't put him and his 4 rings higher because he doesn't have all 4 without that dominant D. Cant justify putting 4 rings any lower though.
8) Manning. The ring puts him ahead of Marino.
9) Favre. Most people would have him higher on their own lists than he is if he had just retired in his late 30s and not become a circus side show.
10) Marino. Revolutionized the passing game ahead of its time.
Fouts would be one step behind Marino
Starr was a tough omission

Great list 2 points of disagreement. IMO you have to include Starr, he was the Brady of his era ( I am old enough to have seen his entire career). 9-1 record in the playoffs. I would put Starr as #5.

I also think you can argue Brady as better than Montana at this point in his career although Brady as the GOAT isn't a lock at this point.

IF Brady gets the 4th ring it isn't even close IMO.

Montana .713 winning %, Brady currently@ .774, huge gap for regular season although Brady has 1 fewer ring he had 1 more conference championship and and same playoff wins with 1 fewer losses in the playoffs. Just noticed that if the Pats run the table in the regular season Brady is 3rd all time in wins behind Manning and Farve, with a far better winning % than either of them.


Certainly respect Manning he just isn't Brady.

 

[Ring 6]

my bad. i was talking about the ravens. they lost to the SB champ. we lost to the SB champ. but at least they scored 35 on them. we got blanked in the 2nd half.

I dont think you and I have the same 'we' and 'they'

 

[Christiancat]

tebow and denver was .500 team. peyton last year won 13. this year most likely 13 or 14.

so yes, peyton instantly make them a damn thing.

In all fairness he did not bring up Tebow, someone else did in response to the claim that Manning took them from nothing to something, by pointing out very aptly that they won a playoff game with Tebow and did not with Manning.

Actually Andy, look at the quote above in which Wolverinejoe mentioned Tebow. Which was post #184. Then I responded with Tebow winning in the playoffs and Peyton not winning in the playoffs was post #200. I also mentioned I respect Peyton. He's an excellent QB.

Post#200 was my 1st post in this particular thread. So if you are saying I brought up Tebow originally is incorrect.

 

[Christiancat]

Andy, I just noticed after going back a couple pages in this thread that the OP mentioned Tebow somewhere in this thread. So maybe that was what you were referring to as someone mentioned Tebow won in the Playoffs. I thought you were saying I was the first to bring up Tebow in this thread. Never mind, scratch the other post #214.

 

[Ring 6]

Great list 2 points of disagreement. IMO you have to include Starr, he was the Brady of his era ( I am old enough to have seen his entire career). 9-1 record in the playoffs. I would put Starr as #5.

Starr is definitely an dilemma for me.
Qb was not nearly as critical a position to those teams as it has been to the rest of the guys on the list.
I put him somewhat in the same class as Bradshaw in that regard, but I think part of the reason I donwgrade him is that his titles were in 14 team leagues, and his 2 SBs were against a clearly inferior conference.

I also think you can argue Brady as better than Montana at this point in his career although Brady as the GOAT isn't a lock at this point.

IF Brady gets the 4th ring it isn't even close IMO.

Montana .713 winning %, Brady currently@ .774, huge gap for regular season although Brady has 1 fewer ring he had 1 more conference championship and and 1 more playoff win with the same number of losses in the playoffs.

The 4th ring is the difference maker to me. I pretty much agree its the only factor that puts Montana on top, but it still does, IMO.

Certainly respect Manning he just isn't Brady.

The fact that he is severely overrated isn't reason to not respect him, and I think thats sort of what the OP really meant.
He is a very good QB but as you say, he just isn't Brady and its actually silly to make the comparison.

 

[PATS16N0]

I mentioned Tebow to highlight the fact that Peyton Manning didn't make the Broncos anything, which is what someone was inferring.

Even with a quarterback many people consider horrible, they were a post season team that WON a post season game. Denver had no shortage of talent. It isn't like Denver was hopeless and Peyton swooped in wearing a red cape and transformed them into a contender.

If Peyton goes down in flames again this year in the play offs,it's going to get a lot easier to claim Denver would have been better off sticking with and developing Tebow than having Peyton there solely to raise expectations and not win a single post season game.

 

[Deus Irae]

12 Pro Bowls
6 time FIRST team All-Pro
#2 all-time in passing yards
#2 all-time in passing TDs
#3 all-time in QB rating
#14 all-time in ypa
#5 all-time in completion percentage
#18 all-time in INT percentage
#21 all-time in TD percentage
#1 all-time in game winning drives
#1 all-time in comebacks


He's a top 15 all-time QB who, despite usually being a choking dog in the playoffs, has brought his team to two Super Bowls and won one. Denigrate him in comparison to Brady/Montana/Starr/Graham/Unitas and the like, and I'm right there with you. Not respecting him for that level of on-the-field performance when making a stand alone analysis, though, seems more than just a little bit petty.

 

[PATS16N0]

12 Pro Bowls
6 time FIRST team All-Pro
#2 all-time in passing yards
#2 all-time in passing TDs
#3 all-time in QB rating
#14 all-time in ypa
#5 all-time in completion percentage
#18 all-time in INT percentage
#21 all-time in TD percentage
#1 all-time in game winning drives
#1 all-time in comebacks


He's a top 15 all-time QB who, despite usually being a choking dog in the playoffs, has brought his team to two Super Bowls and won one. Denigrate him in comparison to Brady/Montana/Starr/Graham/Unitas and the like, and I'm right there with you. Not respecting him for that level of on-the-field performance when making a stand alone analysis, though, seems more than just a little bit petty.

Top 15 is a lot more reasonable. I can respect him as a top 15 quarterback.
Raise the bar to top 2 or even 5 and... just... no.

And I definitely don't respect him in the sense that I worry about any games we play with them. Simply a matter of not believing the hype.

 

[patsfan13]

Btw in spite of Manning's lack of success in the playoffs, he is 2nd all time in wins that counts for a lot. In my mind he ends up ahead of Farve & Marino when all is said and done.