Kraft Family ignores Pats best interests

[italia44]

Did the Kraft family just surrender a 7th round draft pick so that they could look good in owners meetings?

Until now, I have always defended them against charges that they were cheap or that they wouldn't do whatever was necessary to help the Patriots win.

I feel betrayed. I hope that somebody comes up with an explanation of how this will help the team in the long run.

Look above you........Slim Pickens is riding a Nuclear Missile headed straight for this posting....

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

 

[pats60]

The real reason they gave up th 7th rounder was that cheap
Kraft wanted to save money on the 7th pick

 

[DarrylS]

Holy crap, a 7th rounder and we are criticizing the Kraft family, we are also getting some comp picks.. I suspect that this is a sign and trade, the numbers will be cap friendly and we are getting a guy who will move the chains for us. No problemo here folks the sky is not falling, it is a good move.

 

[mgcolby]

The real reason they gave up th 7th rounder was that cheap
Kraft wanted to save money on the 7th pick

Benedict Kraft.

Wow that has a ring to it!

The idiocy that gets spewed by some within our fan base is beyond comprehension!

 

[edzo44]

Look above you........Andy Devine is riding a Nuclear Missile headed straight for this posting....

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Errr . . . Dude, no disrespect but that was Slim Pickens . . . not Andy Devine!

 

[marcus]

The most insane post of the past decade.

A seventh round pick...........


come on!

 

[amazinPats]

There is value in consummating a trade NOW rather than waiting a week to see if Miami matches an offer. There is value in knowing where we stand RIGHT NOW in our roster at this early but frenetic stage of player acquisitions. That value might = 7th round pick. If there are still several loose ends out there, it makes free agent pursuit more of a guessing game. You have to come up with contingency plans if you don't acquire the player you are chasing. Then you might find it too late when you didn't get contingent player B, because you were spending all your efforts on unsuccessfully signing player A. Get it?

I think BB and Pioli know what they are doing.

 

[NE_PATS_FAN_54]

Did the Kraft family just surrender a 7th round draft pick so that they could look good in owners meetings?

Until now, I have always defended them against charges that they were cheap or that they wouldn't do whatever was necessary to help the Patriots win.

I feel betrayed. I hope that somebody comes up with an explanation of how this will help the team in the long run.

hhahahahaha....your out of mind. this is a great move. it saves the pats a lot of money and a 7th rounder is A 7TH ROUNDER!!! plus pats will get 2 maybe 3 compensation picks for losses of mcginest, vinatieri, and givens

 

[signbabybrady]

What he said. Jeez louis, we are talking about a seventh round pick here.
WE have two first round picks.
We still have our own 3rd, 4th, and 2 / 6 round picks. That's 6 draft picks.
We are not even factoring in the compensation picks that we will get for Adam, Chatam, Givens, Dwight, and Ashworth.

Calm down brotha.

we lost Willie Mac too.

 

[italia44]

Errr . . . Dude, no disrespect but that was Slim Pickens . . . not Andy Devine!

oops.......thanks,you're right

 

[PatsDeb]

Let's review the deal and what's behind it:

Pats decide they need a receiver and a return guy (both obvious observations even us dumb fans can see). They don't want to go with the draft as they tried that last year with Jackson and he's been a bust so far. They look around at who's out there, and for whatever reason, none of the free agents appeal to them (Stallworth is always injured and now it's reported he's in the substance abuse program; they don't like Kevin Curtis or he doesn't want to come here, etc.). They look around and see who's a restricted free agent. What about Wes Welker? He'd be perfect for our offense to replace Troy Brown (he's a younger version) - he's a great slot receiver and a good returner as well. He burns us constantly and is the only good player Miami has on offense. We'd only have to give up a 2nd rounder, and let's face it, with 2 #1s, our 2nd rounder is house money at this point. It'll surprise the crap out of Miami and we'll get a guy that will have an immediate impact (unlike our most recent 2nd rounder). We put together a poison pill offer sheet, but are a little leary about pulling the trigger because (as others have pointed out), someone else (maybe someone wearing Jets green) will see the green light to "do unto others." So, we call Miami and say we're going to do this poison pill thing, but maybe we can make a deal? Miami, who wants to save face (over not being able to match the poison pill and the public perception that they were outdone by one of their most hated rivals) agrees. We end up getting our guy for the house $$ 2nd rounder we were alreadly willing to give up and a useless 7th rounder and can negotiate a better long term deal; Miami can say it was able to steer the big boys away from the poison pill and got an additional (albeit useless) draft pick out of the deal. Everybody wins, but especially us. Draft picks, no matter what everybody says, are mostly a crap shoot. I'll take a proven guy for a 2nd rounder (when we already have 2 1st rounders) any day.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Did the Kraft family just surrender a 7th round draft pick so that they could look good in owners meetings?

Until now, I have always defended them against charges that they were cheap or that they wouldn't do whatever was necessary to help the Patriots win.

I feel betrayed. I hope that somebody comes up with an explanation of how this will help the team in the long run.

:singing: :singing: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL :singing: :singing:

NOW that's rich, thanks for the giggles dude. It's been an intense ride the last few days. I need a little humor to settle me.

Sorry, I can't provide your explanation either. Actually, I could, but I doubt you'd understand.

 

[ClevTrev]

Yeah, the Pats coulda used that 7th rounder in a trade for Moss, straight up!

 

[PatsWorldChamps]

Did the Kraft family just surrender a 7th round draft pick so that they could look good in owners meetings?

Until now, I have always defended them against charges that they were cheap or that they wouldn't do whatever was necessary to help the Patriots win.

I feel betrayed. I hope that somebody comes up with an explanation of how this will help the team in the long run.

PER PFT, they "pissed it away"

 

[PatsWorldChamps]

Maybe, but that's just a side benefit. The millions saved for the team and cap in the difference between what they will now pay Welker and what they would have been obligated to pay him under the poison pill is the real reason.

what difference are you talking about? do you understand the poison pill concept?

 

[PatsWorldChamps]

WTF??? Isn't a 7th round pick worth a) not using a poison pill and pissing off other teams b) more importantly, getting to sign Welker on our own terms without having to worry about creating a contract that the Phins won't accept.

a. no
b. you still offer him the terms we want. then add one more year for $100M which becoms fully guaranteed if he plays 5 games in miami. the phins wouldnt accept that.

 

[Hok]

what difference are you talking about? do you understand the poison pill concept?

It would seem that the answer is "no."

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

PER PFT, they "pissed it away"

READ IT AGAIN..... It's not what they say.


POSTED 5:34 p.m. EST, March 5, 2007

PATS TRADE FOR WELKER

Peter King of SI.com reports that the New England Patriots have acquired Dolphins receiver Wes Welker for a second-round pick and a seventh-round pick in the 2007 draft.

But the Pats could have gotten Welker for only a second-round draft pick, if they had tendered to him a beefed-up offer sheet with a poison-pill provision making it fully guaranteed under circumstances that would have applied only if Miami had matched the offer. Though there was a chance that the Fins would have bitten the bullet and given Welker a fully-guaranteed $38.5 million contract, it was highly unlikely.

So did the Pats simply piss away a seventh-round pick? The easy answer is yes. But given that they didn't have to spend the next seven days worrying about whether Miami might match the offer, giving up one of the very last picks in the draft isn't much of a sacrifice.

Also, even though the league seemingly legitimized the whole poison-pill thing by attempting to strike a deal with the union that would have removed it from the CBA, there's no guarantee that the device will be upheld the next time a case involving it ends up in arbitration. Last year, the Seahawks inexplicably abandoned their arguments on the merits of the matter and showed up at the hearing claiming that, because they had pushed around some of the money in left tackle Walter Jones' contract, Steve Hutchinson would have been the highest paid offensive lineman on the team, and thus Seattle could match the offer sheet that Hutchinson had signed in Minnesota without the deal being fully guaranteed.

What if this time around the Fins had opted to argue that, even though the poison-pill does not require a team to pay more money by matching, the device as a practical matter entails more money because it eliminates the team's inherent ability to terminate the deal early? And what if the arbitrator had decided that the poison-pill is a form-over-substance device that violates the spirit of the CBA?

Bottom line -- the Pats avoided a bunch of potential worries and headaches for a throwaway pick in the bottom of the draft.

 

[Fixit]

a. no
b. you still offer him the terms we want. then add one more year for $100M which becoms fully guaranteed if he plays 5 games in miami. the phons wouldnt accept that.

That's the point. They throw in an all-but-worthless seventh-rounder so they don't have to piss anyone off with a poison pill and have it used against them when the Karma Boomerang comes around.

Sometimes a gentleman's agreement is worth a little extra.

 

[mgcolby]

PER PFT, they "pissed it away"

You should have read the whole article.