What's up with all this Brady is declining crap??

[Nunchucks]

I don't know if he is declining but he played like garbage today.

 

[PatriotReign]

I couldn't see the game today but I have noticed that there have been a lot more poor throws in the short to intermediate passing game this season. Drops, bad O-line play, and miscommunication have played a part but Brady just hasn't been himself this year.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

The confidence and will to win will go before the body goes. I mean, with great quarterbacks, they can always get by on their physical skills. I'm sure Joe Montana even today has better mechanics and physical skills than a good many starting quarterbacks right now. He just doesn't want to do it anymore. And even though he says he wants to play into his 40s, I have to wonder if he's playing because he wants to still compete...or because he still wants to win. Big difference.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

I couldn't see the game today but I have noticed that there have been a lot more poor throws in the short to intermediate passing game this season. Drops, bad O-line play, and miscommunication have played a part but Brady just hasn't been himself this year.

I think this is all stemming from the oline. Tom is rushing passes, reads and its showing. He hasn't been as accurate as he has, but he also hasn't been having this much pressure from the oline in recent years. The oline has to step up, especially solder and Wendell.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Because he IS declining!

Don't let your lying eyes deceive you...

My eyes don't lie Clare. The passes are taking longer to develop substantially from last year. And when the oline can't block to open them up, Brady is gonna look worse. The line has to step up. Because we can't hit close passes my being on the same page.

 

[DocHoliday]

The confidence and will to win will go before the body goes. I mean, with great quarterbacks, they can always get by on their physical skills. I'm sure Joe Montana even today has better mechanics and physical skills than a good many starting quarterbacks right now. He just doesn't want to do it anymore. And even though he says he wants to play into his 40s, I have to wonder if he's playing because he wants to still compete...or because he still wants to win. Big difference.

Except he's just coming into Gillette on his only day off (Tuesdays) to get extra reps and film work with receivers.

Sometimes I wish this team would decline so I could see all the chicken littles and naysayers get what they want. Boston fans don't deserve any of their teams.

 

[Deus Irae]

Poor TE play
Poor WR play
Spotty OL play, especially at C/LT
Inconsistent running game
Absence of the short, interior passing game (i.e. Welker/Amendola)
Near absence of downfield interior passing game


Yeah..... it's all on Brady declining. :bricks:

 

[BelichickFan]

Poor TE play
Poor WR play
Spotty OL play, especially at C/LT
Inconsistent running game
Absence of the short, interior passing game (i.e. Welker/Amendola)
Near absence of downfield interior passing game

All that . . . and Brady has also played like crap most of the year.

Declining, pressing or just in a slump . . . who knows but it's not everyone else's fault.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Guys I will bet everyone, if the oline gets it together, Brady's numbers will jump dramatically. They are escaping criticism and they are 80% of Brady's problems.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

All that . . . and Brady has also played like crap most of the year.

Declining, pressing or just in a slump . . . who knows but it's not everyone else's fault.

It is when you cause your QB to speed up his reads and passes because he can't trust his protection.

 

[Deus Irae]

All that . . . and Brady has also played like crap most of the year.

Declining, pressing or just in a slump . . . who knows but it's not everyone else's fault.

It pretty much is everyone else's fault. The QB is the most dependent position on the field, and the other positions are crapping the bed. Has that affected Brady's level of play by throwing his game off along with theirs? Probably, to some extent, but he's not the issue. That should have been made obvious by his ability to find Gronk the way he did today, and the play calling all season should have already made that clear to people even prior to this last game.

 

[Claremonster]

My eyes don't lie Clare. The passes are taking longer to develop substantially from last year. And when the oline can't block to open them up, Brady is gonna look worse. The line has to step up. Because we can't hit close passes my being on the same page.

I didn't say that it was entirely Brady's fault. It wasn't. All I'm saying is that his play is terrible this year. Either he is in decline, or, he is having his worst year of his career. The newbs are not all at fault either. The oline sucked ass today also, but, the Pats played like a high school team. NOT GOOD!

Of course the phantom penalty didn't help things either. But that is another topic altogether.

 

[Ozymandias]

OP, haven't you heard?

Whenever the Patriots lose, Brady's apparently on the decline and has no fire, or will to win anymore. Can't throw anything beyond 5 yards, etc.

Whenever the Patriots win, however, you never hear these discussions. All you hear is that he's the GOAT, clutch, etc. It comes with the territory nowadays. Either he's the best or he needs to retire based on a game-to-game, win-or-lose basis.

Surprised you didn't mention the people calling for him to benched in favor of Ryan Mallett in the gameday thread.

 

[brdmaverick]

We are now seven weeks in (almost a half season) and Wes Welker has as many (maybe more depending on SNF) TD receptions as Brady has TD passes.

He came in with almost a record setting streak and now has three straight weeks with one overall TD pass (and that required a miraculous last second comeback)

 

[Claremonster]

Poor TE play
Poor WR play
Spotty OL play, especially at C/LT
Inconsistent running game
Absence of the short, interior passing game (i.e. Welker/Amendola)
Near absence of downfield interior passing game


Yeah..... it's all on Brady declining. :bricks:

You forgot about the phantom penalty.

It was a perfect s hit storm...

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Even when he's had time, he's been off. And I wasn't questioning his dedication to the game. Some of the best quarterbacks of all time just start losing that aspect of them that makes them who they are because of Father Time. Nothing to be ashamed of. Nothing insulting about it.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I guess if he is playing like this next year we can all agree he is declining. I will say this though, his accuracy kind of took a big hit from recent memory. He's never thrown a good deep ball IMO but he has been the best short to intermediate passer 0-25 yards I've ever seen.

This year? So far? Not even close although we have seen glimpses of greatness at times. Just not with the consistency we are used too.

 

[Sticky Caulk]

Even when he's had time, he's been off.

And so have the receivers. Tompkins and Dobson run inconsistent routes and everyone else is injured or not much more than a depth player. Everyone wants to give Brady !@#$ when the ball is ahead of the receivers, but you will often see that the route and the quickness of the runner is usually not that great either. Bolden letting off the gas on an easy TD pass along the right sideline being a good example.

 

[cstjohn17]

Brady is on the decline, all athletes have an arch, his has peaked. Luckily he is still good enough to be among the top 5-10 in the league even if he is not what he used to be.

The O Line and WRs can share some of the blame but it is simple in the NFL, you can't win with subpar QB play. Brady needs to step it up.

 

[PatsDoc]

I have been watching Tom Brady for a long time, and I am a huge fan. He is still one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Many other teams would kill to have a quarterback half as good. That being said, I feel that the same things are being said about him that were being said about Drew Bledsoe by those who were defending him back when he was in decline. It's the offense of line, the running game, The lack of talent Among the receivers. Today there were at least four or five times where Brady had a perfect pocket And tons of time. He is sailing throws over receivers heads, missing open receivers, ignoring open receivers, and forcing it to the targets that he is comfortable with. His decision-making is suspect on first down.

All that being said, we are a better team with him on the field. And the mistakes that he is making seem completely fixable with a good talking to by the coaching staff. It doesn't appear to be a physical thing with him. It seems like he needs to get his head out of his ass and throw the ball to the open receiver. On the last you dries I wish they had just dink and dunked it all the way down the field. Couple of field goals and this game is over. Just like in 2004. Brady will continue to put up good numbers, just like Drew Bledsoe did in his last few years here. You will have to look beyond the numbers to really evaluate.