Does anyone else hope the Welker deal falls through?

[Johnny Handsome]

I know I should have more faith in BB but this is too high a price to pay for this guy! I know alot of you are questioning this move but is there anyone besides me that's hoping for the Fins to match? (they won't I know)

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

If looks were brains, you still be in need John-Boy

 

[RayClay]

I'm really worried about the effect this is having on our posters.

I think BB and Pioli should put their personal feelings aside and trade for Moss or trade our whole draft for Calvin Johnson.

It's the only considerate thing to do.

 

[GHOSTOFSAMGASH]

I'm really worried about the effect this is having on our posters.

I think BB and Pioli should put their personal feelings aside and trade for Moss or trade our whole draft for Calvin Johnson.

It's the only considerate thing to do.

maybe get both then safeties would really respect the deep pass opening up the running game even more:rocker: :singing:

 

[pats1]

What is so bad about the deal?

 

[Keegs]

Ummm i think it would be hilarious if it fell through.

I'm cool with it either way.

either way we make out great and it hurts the stupid phins

 

[Fumblerooski]

No way, this is a steal.

 

[PatsWorldChamps]

I know I should have more faith in BB but this is too high a price to pay for this guy! I know alot of you are questioning this move but is there anyone besides me that's hoping for the Fins to match? (they won't I know)

hell no... a very low 2nd for a guy who is young, improving, and still had more catches than anyone on our team? plus, he is electric as a returner!

this is a no-brainer

 

[PF1996]

I know I should have more faith in BB but this is too high a price to pay for this guy! I know alot of you are questioning this move but is there anyone besides me that's hoping for the Fins to match? (they won't I know)

I wanted the Patriots to sign A. Thomas. It wasn't my wish that the Pats give up a 2nd round pick for a player whose most redeeming quality (per this board) seems to be that he "plays real good against the Pats". I guess it hasn't occured to those posters that he will not be playing against the Pats defense/special teams if he joins the Pats However, Belichick wants Welker and that's good enough for me to hope that the deal does go through.

 

[Fanfrom1960]

I know I should have more faith in BB but this is too high a price to pay for this guy! I know alot of you are questioning this move but is there anyone besides me that's hoping for the Fins to match? (they won't I know)

Not your money nor mine they're spending. I think our powers that be have a reasonable track record. Let them decide.

 

[GHOSTOFSAMGASH]

johnny just how handsome are you?

 

[sieglo]

It wasn't my wish that the Pats give up a 2nd round pick for a player whose most redeeming quality (per this board) seems to be that he "plays real good against the Pats". I guess it hasn't occured to those posters that he will not be playing against the Pats defense/special teams if he joins the Pats

Well, at least we'll know he'll be looking great in camp and in practice!!

 

[JPatriot]

I don't want it to fall through.

So much so that I registered to the site just to respond to this one.

If the Patriots were to draft a receiver in the 2nd round that caught 67 passes for 687 yards next season... AND return punts and kicks (filling the old Tim Dwight/Troy Brown role), then everyone would dance in the Boston streets over it.

But there is a huge risk in drafting a WR. Look at last year's Chad Jackson selection. Jackson certainly didn't put up the above numbers.

So signing Welker, who's still very young, gives the Pats a PROVEN player, rather than a complete rookie. And one could expect that just as Caldwell and Gafney were made better by Brady, so, too, will Welker.

So that takes care of the loss of the 2nd round pick portion of the argument.

As for the salary being tossed around, take a look at the Pioli/Belichick history and you'll find example after example of fiscal responsibility. That track record should assure everyone that Welker's deal will be front-loaded, and MUST contain some poison pill clause in the contract (ie: the money is all guaranteed if Welker plays more than 5 games in Miami in a season).

So the money shouldn't be a concern... unless Belichick and Pioli have completely thrown out their past practices over a #2/#3 WR/KR/PR... and I doubt they have.

On top of that, Belichick has game-planned against Welker. He has watched him play pretty darn well against the Pats. So he's now taken one of the Dolphins' few weapons and made it his own.

And the Dolphins receive said 2nd round draft pick (bottom of the 2nd round), while New England still has 2 picks in the first 2 rounds... they just happen to fall at 24 and 28.

Not sure why all the excitement about Sammy Morris and Kyle Brady, who will be role players, but this one seems to make sense on almost every level to me.

Just my take.

 

[BradyManny]

I know I should have more faith in BB but this is too high a price to pay for this guy! I know alot of you are questioning this move but is there anyone besides me that's hoping for the Fins to match? (they won't I know)

When I initially heard about the deal, I thought the price of a 2nd rounder was too steep, but all you need to do is think of it this way:

We used our LATE second round pick to "draft" Wes Welker. I think that's a good draft pick. It certainly improves the team.

 

[Keegs]

I don't want it to fall through.

So much so that I registered to the site just to respond to this one.

If the Patriots were to draft a receiver in the 2nd round that caught 67 passes for 687 yards next season... AND return punts and kicks (filling the old Tim Dwight/Troy Brown role), then everyone would dance in the Boston streets over it.

But there is a huge risk in drafting a WR. Look at last year's Chad Jackson selection. Jackson certainly didn't put up the above numbers.

So signing Welker, who's still very young, gives the Pats a PROVEN player, rather than a complete rookie. And one could expect that just as Caldwell and Gafney were made better by Brady, so, too, will Welker.

So that takes care of the loss of the 2nd round pick portion of the argument.

As for the salary being tossed around, take a look at the Pioli/Belichick history and you'll find example after example of fiscal responsibility. That track record should assure everyone that Welker's deal will be front-loaded, and MUST contain some poison pill clause in the contract (ie: the money is all guaranteed if Welker plays more than 5 games in Miami in a season).

So the money shouldn't be a concern... unless Belichick and Pioli have completely thrown out their past practices over a #2/#3 WR/KR/PR... and I doubt they have.

On top of that, Belichick has game-planned against Welker. He has watched him play pretty darn well against the Pats. So he's now taken one of the Dolphins' few weapons and made it his own.

And the Dolphins receive said 2nd round draft pick (bottom of the 2nd round), while New England still has 2 picks in the first 2 rounds... they just happen to fall at 24 and 28.

Not sure why all the excitement about Sammy Morris and Kyle Brady, who will be role players, but this one seems to make sense on almost every level to me.

Just my take.

I look at it the same way that you do.

But I also look at it like it would be a good thing if the Dolphins matched. If they matched they would have to pay him everything, even the b.s. rumored 20 mil. 7th year (if im correct). Basically if they matched, it would mean the pats forced them to overpay for him or lose him. They are in a crap spot either way and the pats are in a great spot. IF they wanna give all that money up for Wes Welker, then go ahead.
We'll keep our pick, then laugh at the Dolphins for making them pay too much for a player b/c we said so.

It's a win/win

 

[2_LAW_4]

I don't think we can really assess this deal until the true language of the contract is revealed. I think we all know Welker isn't going to seen either the 38+ million or seven years.

If the deal is structured as a 5 year 18-20 million deal, I would think we're getting great value for a second. Welker had more receptions than anyone on the Pats, while competing for throws with Chambers, Booker and McMichael. Not to mention he had Donte and Harrington throwing to him.

 

[JPatriot]

PS... Just a few numbers to compare Welker to Brown and Faulk's production last year (Welker of course being on a much worse team):

Wesley Welker (2006)
67 catches, 687 yards, 1 touchdown, 10.3 yd/catch avg
22.2 kick return avg, 9.2 punt return avg

Troy Brown (2006)
43 catches, 384 yards, 4 touchdowns, 8.9 yd/catch avg
did not return kickoffs, 8.0 punt return avg

Kevin Faulk (2006)
43 catches, 356 yards, 2 touchdowns, 8.3 yd/catch avg
21.4 kick return avg, 10.6 punt return avg

And just for comparison's sake, look at Caldwell and Gafney's 2005 numbers before joining Brady and crew:

Reche Caldwell (2005 with San Diego)
28 catches, 352 yards, 1 touchdown, 12.6 yd/catch avg
did not regularly return kickoffs or punts

Jabar Gafney (2005 with Houston)
55 caches, 492 yards, 2 touchdowns, 8.9 yd/catch avg
did not regularly return kickoffs or punts

Just looking at the numbers, Welker would seem to be a more complete receiver/returner than Brown or Faulk were last year with the Patriots... and much more so than Caldwell or Gafney were in 2005 pre-Patriots.

He may be a total bust, but this is a solid signing on paper.

 

[townes]

I absolutely hope it stands. Brady needs a WR he can rely on to be on the same page and get open immediately, and losing Branch really hurt his performance this season, good as it was under those circumstances. They went through the season with no deep threat and no receiver who could allow him to take a couple of steps and fire. Waiting 45 seconds for Gaffney and Caldwell to get open can be a b.tch.

They still need more help at WR, especially downfield, but this at least addresses a major need.

 

[shirtsleeve]

When I initially heard about the deal, I thought the price of a 2nd rounder was too steep, but all you need to do is think of it this way:

We used our LATE second round pick to "draft" Wes Welker. I think that's a good draft pick. It certainly improves the team.

A voice of reason. It is what it is. The 28th pick in the second is almost a third round pick. We "drafted" him with the 60th pick, bottom of the second. Not too shabby. He is a Patriots type wide reciever. Tom will love the guy. He gets that quick separation like Meon and a young Troy did, giving Tom the all important safety valve. The kid is going to keep drives alive.

Also, I haven't read anything yet today, but rumors last night were 7 years, 38 million dollars. 10 mil up front. ~20 mil in the 7th year. And the pill. Which means 6 years ~18-20 mil, half guaranteed. Thats 3 mil a year folks. Not big money. So chill out. It was a good deal.

 

[JoeinIndy]

I know I should have more faith in BB but this is too high a price to pay for this guy! I know alot of you are questioning this move but is there anyone besides me that's hoping for the Fins to match? (they won't I know)

I think that people really believe that we're offering Welker $38.5M...
Can we get some sort of large flashing banner to put at the top of the board saying "It's a POISON PILL. We aren't paying Welker $38.5M"??

It's a POISON PILL. We aren't paying Welker $38.5M