Do we need a replacement for Dillon?

[koolaid23]

So as of now who is the backup for Maroney? Of course they will get another back, most likely in the draft. If Michael Bush is available at 28, I think that would be a steal. Tony Hunt, Kolby Smith, or Dwayne Wright will all be on the patriots draft boards.

michael bush at 28?? are u suggesting that we use another 1st round pick on a RB? RB is done until training camp. maroney will be fine. he had no problems putting the ball in the end zone when givin the chance. (minus the afc championship game when he fumbled.) hes the future, the the man play.

 

[koolaid23]

that should be let the man play

 

[JDP111]

how the **** is he going to prove to be a fulltime back when he hasnt even tried it? let him take the starting role completely and if he cant do it then we know he might not be able to do it all himself

and i wasnt dissin Q from da U..hes on the PS..so i didnt include him.

Fair enough, but there needs to be a backup, "feature" back that can carry the ball 15-20 times a game. There is no one on the roster that can do that besides Maroney.

 

[JDP111]

michael bush at 28?? are u suggesting that we use another 1st round pick on a RB? RB is done until training camp. maroney will be fine. he had no problems putting the ball in the end zone when givin the chance. (minus the afc championship game when he fumbled.) hes the future, the the man play.

Yes, I am suggesting that. If Bush is there, in my opinion you take him. Draft defense with 24, and then 28 is a "bonus" since the AT signing. Bush has the ability to be a stud in the league, and everything that I have read states he's a team leader with a phenomenal character. I wouldn't pass on him.

 

[pats63]

Dont expect another FA to be signed as an RB. We have 4 RB's already in the Depth Chart.

I really like the picture of AD sacking Manning....can't wait to see him do it in a PATS uniform!!!!Oh yeah,4RB is the depth and don't we have Q. Hill on the PS...
















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[Remix 6]

Let me know when a team uses a #1 draft pick 2 years in a row so they can split the load.

-Bush came b/c he was just the BPA in draft
-Benson was supposed to be starter but got hurt and Jones never looked back
-Addai came to replace Edge

1st round-2nd round RBs usually come in to replace a RB on team b/c (age/productivity/injuries)

Maroney came to replace Dillon because Dillon was slowing down and getting old
Ronnie Brown came to replace whoever they had after Ricky got busted
Cadillac Williams came to replace Pittman because Pittman wasnt good enough for them

Kevin Jones came to replace whoever Detroit had
Steven Jackson came to replace Faulk because age/injuries/productivity

some ofthese guys split time as rookies..(Jackson/Brown) to name a few but thats to get them the feel of the NFL and then they give them the load 2nd year or 3rd year

now..if we take a RB in first 2 rounds..how is Maroney ever going to blossom as a great RB when hes getting half carries only? Hows the other RB going to do the same?

Maroney doesnt have questions..hes a complete RB who went through rookie mistakes but you learn from them.

you know what happens when you dont let your top pick get the load?
- unhappy maybe because he wants his full opportunity and paycheck
- loses confidence

Stephen Jackson was very pissed @ Martz for not letting him get more carries as was Westbrook with Reid..they want the ball a lot and when you gave it to them..look what happened this year. very productive

you think Michael Bush or Tony Hunt will be happy taking 6-10 carries per game? No.

If you want a RB..you take him round 4-6 or get an FA..you dont need the best to have a good running game. Morris and Faulk are very good backups..whats wrong with them? Have we given Maroney the chance to be a full time back?No. Have we seen Faulk be productive last year? Yes. Have we seen Morris play a lot? No. we saw Morris run all over us..lets not beg for a new RB when we just got 1 and he hasnt done anything bad. You say late in season he struggled .he ran all over Titans and Jaguars after missing games. He struggled against Jets and Colts. Against Chargers we barely ran the ball.

our OL was not doing very good in opening holes. Maroney was 2nd amongst RBs in yards after contact behind Frank Gore. Now if hes getting 4.3 ypc and 2nd in YAC avg..whats that tell you?

Enough with the needing a RB if its Bush. Bush isnt a first rounder. He hasnt worked out, hes coming off a broken leg and he runs soft for a 250 pounder and i watch ACC. Hes not going to be the powerback we want. Powerbacks are later rounds if you want someone to bust the tough yards and you can get them through FA and i think were set at RB

-Marion Barber 4th rounder
-Brandon Jacobs 4th rounder
-Reuben Droughns FA
-Mike Bell - UDFA
-Davenport - FA

if we wanted another RB..why would we grab Morris? Why not Duckett or someone? Its clear we knew what we wanted and we took it. im done

 

[Remix 6]

Fair enough, but there needs to be a backup, "feature" back that can carry the ball 15-20 times a game. There is no one on the roster that can do that besides Maroney.

heres some sarcasm for you

"oh definatley not..i mean we definatley DONT HAVE Sammy Morris who ONLY filled for Ronnie Brown and only averaged better than him when called upon. 4.3 ypc"

name me teams that have a guy who will carry 15-20 as a backup that will do it when a RB goes down.

Dillon left b/c he wasnt satisfied with 8-10 carries that werent guranteed. You think anyone else is going to come in and take more?

 

[JDP111]

Let me know when a team uses a #1 draft pick 2 years in a row so they can split the load.

-Bush came b/c he was just the BPA in draft
-Benson was supposed to be starter but got hurt and Jones never looked back
-Addai came to replace Edge

1st round-2nd round RBs usually come in to replace a RB on team b/c (age/productivity/injuries)

Maroney came to replace Dillon because Dillon was slowing down and getting old
Ronnie Brown came to replace whoever they had after Ricky got busted
Cadillac Williams came to replace Pittman because Pittman wasnt good enough for them

Kevin Jones came to replace whoever Detroit had
Steven Jackson came to replace Faulk because age/injuries/productivity

some ofthese guys split time as rookies..(Jackson/Brown) to name a few but thats to get them the feel of the NFL and then they give them the load 2nd year or 3rd year

now..if we take a RB in first 2 rounds..how is Maroney ever going to blossom as a great RB when hes getting half carries only? Hows the other RB going to do the same?

Maroney doesnt have questions..hes a complete RB who went through rookie mistakes but you learn from them.

you know what happens when you dont let your top pick get the load?
- unhappy maybe because he wants his full opportunity and paycheck
- loses confidence

Stephen Jackson was very pissed @ Martz for not letting him get more carries as was Westbrook with Reid..they want the ball a lot and when you gave it to them..look what happened this year. very productive

you think Michael Bush or Tony Hunt will be happy taking 6-10 carries per game? No.

If you want a RB..you take him round 4-6 or get an FA..you dont need the best to have a good running game. Morris and Faulk are very good backups..whats wrong with them? Have we given Maroney the chance to be a full time back?No. Have we seen Faulk be productive last year? Yes. Have we seen Morris play a lot? No. we saw Morris run all over us..lets not beg for a new RB when we just got 1 and he hasnt done anything bad. You say late in season he struggled .he ran all over Titans and Jaguars after missing games. He struggled against Jets and Colts. Against Chargers we barely ran the ball.

our OL was not doing very good in opening holes. Maroney was 2nd amongst RBs in yards after contact behind Frank Gore. Now if hes getting 4.3 ypc and 2nd in YAC avg..whats that tell you?

Enough with the needing a RB if its Bush. Bush isnt a first rounder. He hasnt worked out, hes coming off a broken leg and he runs soft for a 250 pounder and i watch ACC. Hes not going to be the powerback we want. Powerbacks are later rounds if you want someone to bust the tough yards and you can get them through FA and i think were set at RB

-Marion Barber 4th rounder
-Brandon Jacobs 4th rounder
-Reuben Droughns FA
-Mike Bell - UDFA
-Davenport - FA

if we wanted another RB..why would we grab Morris? Why not Duckett or someone? Its clear we knew what we wanted and we took it. im done

OK you're right in some respects. But is Maroney a shoe in? no. Maroney has already been banged up, missing games in his first season-splitting carries mind you. Why not split feature backs? It keeps them fresh and rested and if one goes down plug in the other. So if Maroney were to fall to injury, you want Morris as youyr feature back? Not me. BTW you apparently haven't seen Bush play because he plays in the Big East. He's also not a "power back", he catches the ball and can round off tackle just as well as anyone. He had a broken leg, big deal. It's not an ligament/tendon, it has healed. I'm not fixated on Bush; however, we need another "#1" back type and there are a few players in the draft that would make sense for the Patriots. Depth, depth, depth. . . .

EDIT: It would have been nice to be able to run the ball more than 5 times in the seond half against the Colts. We had NO ONE that was able to.

 

[koolaid23]

Yes, I am suggesting that. If Bush is there, in my opinion you take him. Draft defense with 24, and then 28 is a "bonus" since the AT signing. Bush has the ability to be a stud in the league, and everything that I have read states he's a team leader with a phenomenal character. I wouldn't pass on him.

first of all the 28 pick is not a bonus. that pick just let us be able to get welker cause were gonna lose our second rounder if the fins dont the match the offer. 2nd we have a hell of alot more holes and need for depth than at the RB position. and can you do me a favor and find out what running back didnt get hurt at all at some point of the season last year? it happens. he didnt go through all the offseason conditioning that he will this year and he probably didnt get alot of the first team reps, or at least not as much as he couldve. let him bulk up, get the timing down with brady and the o line, and get all the 1st team reps in training camp. you guys are unbelievable we just barely miss out on the super bowl, and your ready to throw the entire 2006 draft class out the door for the 2007 class....and i would love to see any team take bush in the first round coming off a broken leg and missing basically the entire year. mcgahee being the exception...

 

[hwc]

I just hope that there's still enough power to succeed reliably on short yardage and in the red zone. Dillon was outstanding near the goal line last year.

He was outstanding in short yardage.

According to the Fins fans, that's Morris' strength as well. The kind of guy who will come in and get a tough yard. He also filled in well when forced to starter duty when Ronnie Brown was injured. Gained 100+ against us and 90+ in another game as a fill-in starter.

Sounds like what we were looking for.

 

[GHOSTOFSAMGASH]

the replacement for dillon is maroney is it not? 2 rb systems are the new thing in the nfl but that is usually with 2 mediocre rbs. I think maroney will end up being more than adequate on goalline. i dont think shanahan wanted to draft him to put him in a tandem, he wanted him to become his next terrell davis. and i think the colts wanted him to replace james, sure he had rhodes to back him up but i think rhodes was seen as just a backup at first, not part of a 2 headed monster ala dillon/ maroney. I still think that maroney needs a reliable backup and hopefully morris can fulfill that role:rocker:

 

[Remix 6]

OK you're right in some respects. But is Maroney a shoe in? no. Maroney has already been banged up, missing games in his first season-splitting carries mind you. Why not split feature backs? It keeps them fresh and rested and if one goes down plug in the other. So if Maroney were to fall to injury, you want Morris as youyr feature back? Not me. BTW you apparently haven't seen Bush play because he plays in the Big East. He's also not a "power back", he catches the ball and can round off tackle just as well as anyone. He had a broken leg, big deal. It's not an ligament/tendon, it has healed. I'm not fixated on Bush; however, we need another "#1" back type and there are a few players in the draft that would make sense for the Patriots. Depth, depth, depth. . . .

EDIT: It would have been nice to be able to run the ball more than 5 times in the seond half against the Colts. We had NO ONE that was able to.

wow Maroney got an injury..big deal. Its been said he would of played if he needed to. We dont know the severity of it. a featured back si the whole who carries the load. how do u have a split featured back?

i would want Morris as my backup..he did fine filling in for Brown with no QB and a worse OL. Only a few teams have a backup that can be a full time starter / pro bowler..Michael Turner/LT...McAllister/Bush...Taylor/MJD(though they say he probably cant carry the load himself)...Julius Jones/Marion Barber..Portis/Betts(Betts wouldnt have gotten chane without CP going down)

i know Louisville isnt ACC but they play ACC opponents. I watched Miami, Wake Forest, VTech, North Carolina against Louisville last few years

Bush can not round off like anyone. Hes got good straight line speed but isnt very quick/agile. Hes kind of like Shaun Alexander in hes big but he doesnt run people over and doesnt use his size to his advantage a lot . How do you know hes healed? There are reports saying hes still limping decently. If you want a guy to get the tough yards like Dillon..it aint Bush.

it would have been nice to run the ball against Colts but they clearly had a tremendous run D in playoffs and dont say its Maroneys fault that we couldnt..OL was not helping the cause. The playcalling either. We all know Mr. Skipper McD.

Im not against getting a RB but wasting it in round 1? NO. Only RB i would take in first 2 rounds is Adrian Peterson but thats it because the unbelievable value. Tony Hunt will be a round 2 guy, so will Bush and Irons. First round: Peterson/Lynch.