League to look at camera film to hand out jets/pats fines

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League office will pick through video to hand out Jets-Pats fines | ProFootballTalk

Looks like dennard may be hit with fines.

 

[PatsDeb]

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. Unless it's a blatant foul or somebody gets hurt, I think the NFL should bag the fines. It's football for cripes sake. That's what the in-game penalties are for.

 

[CelticPatriot]

Sports fines are ridiculous, if you're going to fine them at least make it worth it.

So they'll fine Dennard 20k, he makes like 50 times that a year (I assume). It's spare chance to him.

UEFA fined Celtic £4k for having fireworks in the stadium, the same week they made £4 million from ticket sales! Completely pointless

 

[Archeryaddict12]

CJ will get fined also because he tackled smith to high probably. Even though I thought it was a good tackle.

 

[mgteich]

Mangold was not that much out of line. He tacked a player running with the ball a foot out of bounds. He isn't a dirty player, and he isn't trained as a tackler.

Talib was a certifiable idiot. He should have gone down immediately, or at least immediately stepped out of bounds. To run with the ball was crazy, risking injury.

 

[jmt57]

Mangold was not that much out of line. He tacked a player running with the ball a foot out of bounds. He isn't a dirty player, and he isn't trained as a tackler.

Talib was a certifiable idiot. He should have gone down immediately, or at least immediately stepped out of bounds. To run with the ball was crazy, risking injury.

When I saw Talib running with the ball, and then again when he did not immediately get out of bounds, the only thing I could think of was flashbacks to the 2006 playoffs. The Pats were losing late in the game and had the ball on 4th down. A San Diego defensive back stepped in front of a pass intended for Troy Brown and rather than simply knock it down (and take over on downs) he caught it.

That would have been okay except after that he then decided to run the ball, later explaining that he was trying to score.

Problem was that scoring served virtually no purpose under the circumstances.

So while trying to add unnecessary points the Chargers played was stripped of the ball by Brown, Reche Caldwell recovered, the Patriots scored a TD a few plays later, converted the 2-point conversion to tie the game, and won in overtime. Season over for the Chargers.

Most egregiously, the San Diego player (sorry, I forget his name) had no remorse after the game, saying that he would do the same thing (try to score) if he had the same opportunity in the future.


Back to Talib and his play: I'm confident that Belichick made it very clear to him in the meeting room the following day the importance of situational football.

 

[DarrylS]

Mangold was not that much out of line. He tacked a player running with the ball a foot out of bounds. He isn't a dirty player, and he isn't trained as a tackler.

Talib was a certifiable idiot. He should have gone down immediately, or at least immediately stepped out of bounds. To run with the ball was crazy, risking injury.

Talib was clock killing, not show boating.

 

[Tunescribe]

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. Unless it's a blatant foul or somebody gets hurt, I think the NFL should bag the fines. It's football for cripes sake. That's what the in-game penalties are for.

Mangold must be fined for going at Talib's knees. Colon must be fined for hitting the ref and Ferguson needs to be fined for throwing multiple punches. Wrecks should be fined for just being himself. The two Jets fans who sat next to me all night should be fined for showing up. Woody Johnson must be fined for maintaining an unregistered Superfund site.

 

[mgteich]

Really?

So, if you make $50K a year, you would consider a $1,000 fine meaningless? You a make 50 times more that a year after all.

Sports fines are ridiculous, if you're going to fine them at least make it worth it.

So they'll fine Dennard 20k, he makes like 50 times that a year (I assume). It's spare chance to him.

UEFA fined Celtic £4k for having fireworks in the stadium, the same week they made £4 million from ticket sales! Completely pointless

 

[Triumph]

Mangold was not that much out of line. He tacked a player running with the ball a foot out of bounds. He isn't a dirty player, and he isn't trained as a tackler.

Talib was a certifiable idiot. He should have gone down immediately, or at least immediately stepped out of bounds. To run with the ball was crazy, risking injury.

Mangold was out of line.

Per NFL rules you cannot hit below the waist on a change of possession. For him to say that he could never play defense because hes a poor at tackling is laughable. Smith threw 3 INTS in that game and Sanchez has been a leader in coughing the football up. Mangold has had plenty of practice.

 

[fnordcircle]

So they'll fine Dennard 20k, he makes like 50 times that a year (I assume). It's spare chance to him.

A) you're wrong about how much he makes
B) Even if you were right losing 2% of your pretax salary for the year is not spare change.

If you make 100k gross are you telling me that losing 2k is no big deal to you? If I got a fine from the cops for 2% of my pre-tax salary I'd pay ******* attention.

 

[fnordcircle]

Smith threw 3 INTS in that game and Sanchez has been a leader in coughing the football up. Mangold has had plenty of practice.

 

[37Harrison]

They should get the Jests player that threw the punch at Edelman away from the play (not during the skirmish, earlier in the game) as well. Did anyone else notice this one? I haven't heard anyone else bring it up.

 

[PatriotSeven]

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. Unless it's a blatant foul or somebody gets hurt, I think the NFL should bag the fines. It's football for cripes sake. That's what the in-game penalties are for.

That's only if you believe fines are supposed to create discipline, but that's not their purpose.

Their purpose is to make money for the NFL. There are 32 teams, and lots of fouls each and every week. They don't want to fine players something that they would really be upset with, or something that might actually cause them to stop and change the game.

That's bad business.

You fine them what they can part with easily and what they can continue to keep doing so you can collect as much by the end of the year. Plus it looks like you're trying to do something about it too. And the players don't mind because like many said, it doesn't affect their bottom line much and they get to keep acting the way they like for a small fee. Win/Win/Win.

 

[Yehoodi]

When I saw Talib running with the ball, and then again when he did not immediately get out of bounds, the only thing I could think of was flashbacks to the 2006 playoffs. The Pats were losing late in the game and had the ball on 4th down. A San Diego defensive back stepped in front of a pass intended for Troy Brown and rather than simply knock it down (and take over on downs) he caught it.

That would have been okay except after that he then decided to run the ball, later explaining that he was trying to score.

Problem was that scoring served virtually no purpose under the circumstances.

So while trying to add unnecessary points the Chargers played was stripped of the ball by Brown, Reche Caldwell recovered, the Patriots scored a TD a few plays later, converted the 2-point conversion to tie the game, and won in overtime. Season over for the Chargers.

Most egregiously, the San Diego player (sorry, I forget his name) had no remorse after the game, saying that he would do the same thing (try to score) if he had the same opportunity in the future.


Back to Talib and his play: I'm confident that Belichick made it very clear to him in the meeting room the following day the importance of situational football.

I understand the point about Talib taking a knee as we could end the game on kneel downs . . .

But I don't understand your flashback points about the 2006 playoffs against the chargers . . . I think your memory is off . . .

When the chargers DB picked off the ball the chargers were only leading by 8 points (one score) and there was over 6 minutes to play in the game . . . if you think you can score why not try . . . your team is only leading by one score and there is over 6 mins to play, therefore your offense can't kill the clock to end the game . . . two completely different situations . . . I see where you are driving at, but I think your memory is off from that 2006 game . . .

 

[UK_Pat37]

Sports fines are ridiculous, if you're going to fine them at least make it worth it.

So they'll fine Dennard 20k, he makes like 50 times that a year (I assume). It's spare chance to him.

UEFA fined Celtic £4k for having fireworks in the stadium, the same week they made £4 million from ticket sales! Completely pointless

Yes, because you should just allow punches to be thrown in a football game and for officials to be pushed aside when they are trying to officiate the game....

Throwing punches may be completely pointless when a player is wearing a helmet, but that's not the point. A suspension is the only real deterrent for that. Pushing an official may also result in the same thing.

Mangold was not that much out of line. He tacked a player running with the ball a foot out of bounds. He isn't a dirty player, and he isn't trained as a tackler.

Talib was a certifiable idiot. He should have gone down immediately, or at least immediately stepped out of bounds. To run with the ball was crazy, risking injury.

Most players would opt to run the clock down in those situations but, given they had no time outs and we could have kneeled the game out, it was not needed.

If you're sitting there and telling me that Mangold did not target his knee, I feel you're being deluded.

Regardless of whether he should have gone out of bounds much sooner or not, it does not justify what Mangold did.

 

[yukon cornelius]

mangold going low out of bounds was worse than matthews high hit out of bounds....and he got hit $15k

 

[Koma]

Fines announced for Patriots and Jets late game kerfluffle:

Patriots:

$7800 each for Wilfork, Dennard, and Buchanan

(Chandler Jones also fined 15K for roughing the passer.)

Jets:

Colon - $34K
Ferguson - $26K
Mangold - 0

 

[Kontradiction]

Fines announced for Patriots and Jets late game kerfluffle:

Patriots:

$7800 each for Wilfork, Dennard, and Buchanan

(Chandler Jones also fined 15K for roughing the passer.)

Jets:

Colon - $34K
Ferguson - $26K
Mangold - 0

I still don't see how that was roughing. If they're going to call that hit "roughing", then Jones might as well have just launched himself directly into the helmet area and knocked Geno Smith out of the game. At least make it worth the flag and money.

 

[pats4life12]

Th NFL hands out to many fines now, come on unless its really obvious lets just play some football.