Buffalo fans sour grapes

[THE SLAMMER]

Hope springs eternal :singing:

See you Monday.......... maybe.

I will be here, should be fun....hopefully

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Well, most ppl don't even realize that New Mexico is part of the US, let alone where Albuquerque is.

When I was living in California, and would mention I'm from New England, many people would kind of tilt their head at me, then say things like "That's a state I've never been to", or "Is that near New Jersey?"..

And, geography aside, "I hate the Pats cuz they cheat" threads like that, and the abundance of them all over the internet to this day, only prove two sad facts to me: a) Most Americans, and most American football fans, only read the headlines and don't bother trying to understand the story, and b) Most American football fans don't really understand football.

BUT, as someone else posted, the Tedy Bruschi video was pretty funny. Here it is, case you want to skip trying to find it in that thread: Tedy Bruschi for American of the Century - YouTube

 

[crew1954]

When I was living in California, and would mention I'm from New England, many people would kind of tilt their head at me, then say things like "That's a state I've never been to", or "Is that near New Jersey?"..

And, geography aside, "I hate the Pats cuz they cheat" threads like that, and the abundance of them all over the internet to this day, only prove two sad facts to me: a) Most Americans, and most American football fans, only read the headlines and don't bother trying to understand the story, and b) Most American football fans don't really understand football.

BUT, as someone else posted, the Tedy Bruschi video was pretty funny. Here it is, case you want to skip trying to find it in that thread: Tedy Bruschi for American of the Century - YouTube

1977, driving on I-10 across Alabama. Get pulled over by a cop.

Show my Vermont license.

He says " Vermont? Is that near Wyoming?"

I said " no it's in New England."

He says " Oh, its up by New York?".

Knowing never to identify oneself with that place, I say " You're closer here in Alabama to Miami than Vermont is to New York."

He nods with new found geographical understanding, and sends me on my ways, sans any ticket.

 

[upstater1]

The Mansion is really a big B&B. Lafayette a boutique property. They both look nice.

But TripAdvisor ( no, not the be all and end all) has the Hampton Inn Downtown as the #1 ranked property.

Maybe it's a typo and Its some high end property named after the Hamptons on Long Island?

Tripadvisor is right, the Hampton is nicer than the Hyatt and the Embassy Suites. Normally I'd avoid Hampton Inns but the one in Buffalo for some reason has some upgrades, like jacuzzis in the middle of the floor in rooms. I don't like the area it's in though.

Mansion is much bigger than a B&B. Lafayette is decently big but couldn't handle the Patriots or a 200 person contingent.

 

[upstater1]

Without looking it up I am going to say the Erie was opened in the 1830s and was obsolete when opened, as the railway had come into its own.

This was long before Buffalo could have had electricty. I am going to stab at 1890 as the earliest the "power project" could have come to Buffalo.

I know it sounds like its around the same time when looking back in history "Yeah well the middle of the 19th Century", but when its a 60 year period of YOUR life it sure seems different.

Rail had little to do with the demise of the Canal. It was the St. Lawrence Seaway that killed it.

Also, for those that call me a civic booster, I'm a New England boy who has lived in many places around the northeast and midwest. I actually chose to live in Buffalo after I got to know it. My last choice was between here and Ann Arbor, MI. I bought a house here for $260k a decade ago, 7,000 sq. feet Victorian, recently appraised at over $500k. Unfortunately, I had to spend a bunch on the house, and the politicians here are crooked, and taxes are high, but that's life. I stayed because of the restaurants, the sports, the arts (which is my business), etc. Really because of the lifestyle. I am not a fan of the cold at all. On the other hand, where I live in downtown, it does not snow much. It snows more in New England.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Hangzhou, most overrated city in China!

I was almost stabbed in Shenzen. And was pick pocketed the next day lol

 

[upstater1]

The Lafayette Hotel is completely rebuilt. Has a real classy bar and Restaurant. Probably pretty expensive. Been here before the rebuilding project.

That restaurant had 2 good years but it's done. Chef left. I think what he was doing was way too fine for Buffalo. New York is probably the only city that could handle it around here. People usually aren't into meat dishes garnished with rare meat, etc. Unfortunately, they are changing to a more conventional continental menu to impress the business crowd. A shame, but there are still other good places in town that did similar things as Mike A's. Try Martin Cooks. Fantastic.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

So, ummm.... who is favored in that Providence - Albuquerque game tomorrow?

I think Buffalo really has a chance in that one.

I was almost stabbed in Shenzen. And was pick pocketed the next day lol

Duh..... Nothing but crooks in Shenzen. Everyone knows that....

 

[shmessy]

I was almost stabbed in Shenzen. And was pick pocketed the next day lol

Bok choy, bok choy,
Whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do
When they come for you?

 

[stephens44]

Did you even bother reading your link? It has much higher educational attainment for Buffalo currently than in the past. It says the exact opposite of what you said about brain drain. The billion investments in high tech bio and rare earth metals has brought in thousands of engineers and researchers (not to universities, but to the Fruitbelt research centers). It also says the central neighborhoods have had high property growth. In all these respects, Buffalo and Pitt were singled out as being different than Detroit and Cleveland.

Normal houses in my neighborhood in the center of Buffalo are going for $500k. They were going for $250k just 5 years ago. Since the billions of dollars moved in, everything gentrified and skyrocketed. Another billion is moving in soon, I can give you all the links but this has gone on long.

You're trying to polish a turd, seems everyone who has lived there or been there (but you) is aware of it.
You speak of your neighborhood in specific (sans a name) while previously stating that the city (to imply large parts) is becomming gentrified. You can't say that when:
A) It isn't happening in general, just specific small areas while the rest of the city experiences reverse-gentrification.
B) Its one of the POOREST cities in the country, thus counterintuitive to your theory.
C) On average its economic growth, base and overall economy are far below the national average.

In short, Buffalo grew too big, too fast and will continue to contract for decades while the majority of the original wave of construction decays. Its darwinism city style. The Bills will likely end up in LA as a result.

 

[goheels22002]

You're trying to polish a turd, seems everyone who has lived there or been there (but you) is aware of it.
You speak of your neighborhood in specific (sans a name) while previously stating that the city (to imply large parts) is becomming gentrified. You can't say that when:
A) It isn't happening in general, just specific small areas while the rest of the city experiences reverse-gentrification.
B) Its one of the POOREST cities in the country, thus counterintuitive to your theory.
C) On average its economic growth, base and overall economy are far below the national average.

In short, Buffalo grew too big, too fast and will continue to contract for decades while the majority of the original wave of construction decays. Its darwinism city style. The Bills will likely end up in LA as a result.

Maybe you should do a little research before you proclaim the demise of Buffalo:

NY Times Article Creates Buzz About Buffalo's Economic Development | wgrz.com

Buffalo, NY - Forbes

 

[stephens44]

Maybe you should do a little research before you proclaim the demise of Buffalo:

NY Times Article Creates Buzz About Buffalo's Economic Development | wgrz.com

Buffalo, NY - Forbes

Suburban poverty on the rise - City & Region - The Buffalo News

Buffalo, New York (NY) poverty rate data - information about poor and low income residents living in this city

Gentrification? House values going up in a city with thousands of abandoned houses and many times that falling apart but still lived in by a 30% of city residents below the poverty line?

"According to the 2010 Census, the City of Buffalo had a vacancy rate of 15.7%, the ninth highest rate in the nation for cities with populations over 250,000."

http://www.ppgbuffalo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Housing-2013.pdf

Houses in limbo strain communities - City & Region - The Buffalo News

Abandoned houses still a plague on the city - YNN

Keep polishing that turd....

New investment in Buffalo is NOT for the poor, uneducated and unskilled masses. Its for those with means and skills to have jobs and buy nice houses. How many times has Buffalo tried and failed to reinvent or reinvigorate itself? Seriously, thats something the turd polishers need to look at. Its all driven by corrupt and self serving interests of a select few in Buffalo, of which Ralph Wilson is a prime example.

 

[stephens44]

BTW- No offense intended to most of the residents of Buffalo, they are kind hearted, good people and great fans for the most part. Its not the fault of the masses that their economic fortunes shifted in the grand scheme of things nationally/Internationally and that their leadership failed them.

I look forward to a good game today (A Pats win :rocker and hope no one on either team gets injured.

 

[upstater1]

Wow, this isn't really worth it, but I didn't mention the part of town going up quickly because people aren't familiar with Buffalo, but the areas are the Delaware District and the Waterfront/Larkinvile.

The NY Times article in Go Heels post explained that $1.7 billion is coming in. $1 billion is already spent. The state has $1 billion committed. That's $3.7 billion for downtown Buffalo in 5-8 years. It's hard to see how you COULDN'T gentrify under those conditions. And one of the biggest things Buffalo did is play hardball with the NY State Transit Authority (that owns the power project). When the lease for the project ended, Buffalo negotiated $30 million a year from the project. The city now has its highest bond rating ever from S&P. It's financial health is solid. The social welfare situation is what it is because NY state is pretty generous and living expenses are low. But that's largely confined to the East Side, which is enormous.

Get this: Real estate is hot in Buffalo - Business - The Buffalo News

Buffalo was one of 5 cities in the USA where real estate prices went up after 2007.

I think your info is old.

Read that NY Times article again. Things are happening here, I assure you. One of the biggest changes is that property values and rents are rising so rapidly that the spine in the center of the city (Elmwood) is seeing a lot of great restaurants move out 7 or 8 blocks to the west into once sketchy neighborhoods which are now looking like the old Elmwood when I first got here. Elmwood is rising up in cost, and I find myself walking a mile west from my house now to have dinner through neighborhoods I wouldn't have bothered with in the past. It makes a huge difference.

If you really want to know what I'm talking about, look at the distance between Elmwood and Niagara and realize that there are now 5 Elmwood restaurants on Connecticut near Niagara all around one corner. This used to be drug dealing territory 10-12 years ago.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

If you really want to know what I'm talking about, look at the distance between Elmwood and Niagara and realize that there are now 5 Elmwood restaurants on Connecticut near Niagara all around one corner. This used to be drug dealing territory 10-12 years ago.

I defer to your vastly superior knowledge about drug dealing

 

[upstater1]

I defer to your vastly superior knowledge about drug ingesting

Changed it for you

 

[LetsGoBuffalo]

That thread is actually sad to read. Have the posters seem ******ed in their hate that they can barely string a coherent sentence together...It'll make you feel sad for the.

You can't make posts like this up. Wow.

 

[LetsGoBuffalo]

Bills fans can talk about the Pats almost moving to Conn all they want, but the Bills are in danger of moving as well.

The Buffalo market pulled the 3rd highest share in the NFL on opening weekend. Yes, higher than the Boston market. The Bills are not going anywhere, at least not until their shiny new lease is up.

 

[LetsGoBuffalo]

Buffalo is one of the poorest citys in the entire country with over 30% of its urban population below the poverty line.

If there was ever a poster boy for urban blight as it relates to suburban sprawl then greater Buffalo is it. By no means am I suggesting that the affluent suburbs of Buffalo like Clarence, East Aurora, Orchard Park and to a lesser extent Hamburg compare to Westchester, NY or Greenwich, CT but it's clear that downtown Buffalo has not done enough to make living in the city desirable for newly minted professionals like Chicago, Charlotte, and Atlanta (to name a few) have been able to do.

Buffalo hasn't just experienced overall population decline in general, in specific it experienced "brain-drain" in the fact it was the middle class and most viable college grads and skilled workers that left while welfare types replaced them.

This is such a great point. Until the UB, Buff State, Canisius, and NU grads have the local job prospects to stay in town, this trend will continue.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Last worst season ... 2002>>> 9-7

Last losing season 2000 >>>> 5-11

I would seriously hate us if I were Jets, Bills, or dolphins fan.