Combine Stuff.....DB's

[mavfan2390]

Chris Houston- ran a 4.32 and had 27 reps...I'm praying he's there at 28 or even 24, this guy is Pacman Jones with better strength, no off-field issues, and no return ability....I forgot to mention, he SHUT DOWN several first round recievers in his last year at Arkansas

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D. Landry: 4.35
T. McBride: 4.58
C. Houston: 4.32
A. Arline: 4.43
L. Hall: 4.39
T. Bain: 4.43
M. McCauley: 4.38
Michael Griffin - 4.45
Reggie Nelson - 4.53
J. Wade (Ten) - 4.38
J. Wilson - 4.35
E. Wright - 4.38
Wendling - 4.48
E Weddle - 4.51
CJ Wilson - 4.52

2nd Runs
Meriweather - 4.49
McCauley - 4.33
Piscitelli - 4.44
A. Ross - 4.49
K. Scott - 4.37
B. Smith - 4.48
R. Smith - 4.51

 

[patsox23]

McCauley with a 4.33. Yes, please.

 

[BelichickFan]

Those are some phenomenal speeds for the Safeties - Nelson had a bi of a speed question, his 4.53 will help keep him in the top 20.

 

[cstjohn17]

Those are some phenomenal speeds for the Safeties - Nelson had a bit of a speed question, his 4.53 will help keep him in the top 20.

Very good numbers, we could go Safety and CB in round 1 and walk away with some real good players. It is amazing how much faster players are from even 5 years ago, 4.35 from Landry is just sick.

CB - Houston, Hall, Reyes, Hughes, maybe McCauley sneaks back into round 1
S - Griffin, Merriweather, Nelson (his 40 time cost him 5-10 draft spots)

Good potential in rounds 2-3
Irons, Wilson, Bain, Wade, Wright, Sabby, Gattis, Brown, Bennett

No top 5 picks but a lot of depth, this can only help the Pats if the want to add some players to the backfield.

 

[patchick]

Chris Houston- ran a 4.32 and had 27 reps...I'm praying he's there at 28 or even 24, this guy is Pacman Jones with better strength, no off-field issues, and no return ability....

Alas, no return ability because he has hands of lead. Houston's been a bit controversial on the draft board -- spectacular athlete, impressive cover guy, weak in run support and ball skills. He could be an excellent NFL DB, but to me does not fit the Pats' profile for the position.

 

[BelichickFan]

Nelson (his 40 time cost him 5-10 draft spots)

I don't think so. His speed and bulk are really his only two questions and while his 40 was a little slower than Griffin/Merrieweather, it was a little better than expected (for me anyway). I think he solidified his spot.

 

[cstjohn17]

I don't think so. His speed and bulk are really his only two questions and while his 40 was a little slower than Griffin/Merrieweather, it was a little better than expected (for me anyway). I think he solidified his spot.

You are likely right, we tend to get caught up in a couple 1/100 of a second. I think he was expected to run under 4.5 because speed is such a big part of his game. It is hard to tell for sure but on the surface it seems like Landry is the clear #1, likely top 10 and then Nelson, Griffin and Merriweather are lumped together somewhere between 20 and 35. Dallas needs a free safety in a big way, I would be surpised if Nelson gets by them.

The Patriots shouls have a shot at Merriweather and Griffin at 24 and maybe even 28. Both seem like solid players, if Merriweather character concerns are resolved he is a very interesting prospect. Future FS and and the ability to contribute as a 3rd or 4th CB right out of the gate increase his value.

 

[Remix 6]

Alas, no return ability because he has hands of lead. Houston's been a bit controversial on the draft board -- spectacular athlete, impressive cover guy, weak in run support and ball skills. He could be an excellent NFL DB, but to me does not fit the Pats' profile for the position.

u dont need hands to be a returnman..Dante Hall isnt a solid catcher but his returns are great.

theres a different when a ball is coming at you at at least 50-60 mph straight at you compared to when a ball is high in the air coming down to you. you dont use your hands the same way and that comes from experience and knowledge. on returns you kind of craddle...on defense/offesne you reach out for the ball coming right at your face mask or chest

 

[patchick]

u dont need hands to be a returnman..Dante Hall isnt a solid catcher but his returns are great.

theres a different when a ball is coming at you at at least 50-60 mph straight at you compared to when a ball is high in the air coming down to you. you dont use your hands the same way and that comes from experience and knowledge. on returns you kind of craddle...on defense/offesne you reach out for the ball coming right at your face mask or chest

Sorry, let me clarify the intent of my post...the problem with Chris Houston is that he has perhaps the worst hands and ball skills of any of the highly ranked DBs in the draft. If you look at past Patriots draftees, ALL the DBs had great hands and ball skills. It's not about the return game at all.

 

[Remix 6]

Sorry, let me clarify the intent of my post...the problem with Chris Houston is that he has perhaps the worst hands and ball skills of any of the highly ranked DBs in the draft. If you look at past Patriots draftees, ALL the DBs had great hands and ball skills. It's not about the return game at all.

i dont see Hobbs having great hands really..ball skills or w.e. he hasnt shown it

Samuel had bad hands..he dropped so many picks in past..now he worked on it. im confident Houston can work on it like Samuel did

 

[BelichickFan]

I think he was expected to run under 4.5 because speed is such a big part of his game.

I was just reading last night, forget where, that Nelson wasn't expected to run a great time - I think 4.53 was actually pretty good for him. It's his ball skills, aggressiveness and love of the game that attracts people to him not his pure speed.

 

[BelichickFan]

I was just reading last night, forget where, that Nelson wasn't expected to run a great time - I think 4.53 was actually pretty good for him.

Found what I read :

http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/blog.cfm

"The safety with speed issues is Reggie Nelson of Florida. I have heard numbers all over the place on him -- 4.52 to 4.7. Nelson does have great ball skills, but he needs a good time to go top 20. Reggie Nelson, I believe, has more to win or lose than any player with his forty time, maybe only rivaled by Dwayne Jarrett of Southern Cal!"

At 4.53 he came in on the good end of what they were hearing coming in.

 

[ATippett56]

Those are some phenomenal speeds for the Safeties - Nelson had a bi of a speed question, his 4.53 will help keep him in the top 20.

I wouldn't worry so much about a 4.53 seconds time in the forty. A certain free safety in the NFL only ran a 4.50 seconds time in the forty during his Pro-Day workout.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Overall this years class had some fantastic forty times. Landry blew me away in this combine. He already had a stellar college career and he tops it off with a stellar combine. Lucky Bastid's who get him.

 

[ATippett56]

Overall this years class had some fantastic forty times. Landry blew me away in this combine. He already had a stellar college career and he tops it off with a stellar combine. Lucky Bastid's who get him.

Most likely the Atlanta Falcons who now realize why the Buffalo Bills let go Lawyer Milloy.

 

[wrangler]

I'm looking at SS Sabby Piscitelli(sp). At 6'3", 225lbs the guy is fast, quick, and strong. Looks to me like he's flying under the radar.
I'd like to see the Pats go after him.

 

[Flying Fungi]

straight-line speed isn't the measuring stick to use

think: 'quick-twitch'

Ty Law was slow compared to these guys, but he has the 'quick-twitch' to react to a play and close a gap.