Eagles: Stallworth offer unlikely

[Digger44]

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/16785312.htm

"Team sources confirmed there is no chance of Garcia returning to the Eagles, and they also confirmed that the team is very unlikely to make an offer to pending free-agent wide receiver Donté Stallworth."

Very interesting news. Stallworth was confident that he would be with the Eagles next year, but that looks like it is not happening. I think the majority here would love to have him for the right price.

 

[AzPatsFan]

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/16785312.htm

"Team sources confirmed there is no chance of Garcia returning to the Eagles, and they also confirmed that the team is very unlikely to make an offer to pending free-agent wide receiver Donté Stallworth."

Very interesting news. Stallworth was confident that he would be with the Eagles next year, but that looks like it is not happening. I think the majority here would love to have him for the right price.

Since he caught 38 balls compard to Reche Caldwell 61, I guess that offer out to be 38/61 of Reche's salary. I think that put him below league minimum...

 

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Since he caught 38 balls compard to Reche Caldwell 61, I guess that offer out to be 38/61 of Reche's salary. I think that put him below league minimum...

Blasphemy! Do you not accept the truth that Donté Stallworth is better than Reche Caldwell?

 

[tombonneau]

Blasphemy! Do you not accept the truth that Donté Stallworth is better than Reche Caldwell?

I think a healthy Stallworth is better than Caldwell. Most would likely agree. Only problem is a healthy Stallworth is not exactly a sure thing.

 

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I think a healthy Stallworth is better than Caldwell. Most would likely agree. Only problem is a healthy Stallworth is not exactly a sure thing.

Stallworth is a good receiver, but I'm not sure he's clearly better than Caldwell at this point in their careers. To wit:

Player		DPAR  	Rank 	PAR 	Rank 	DVOA 	Rank 	VOA 	Passes 	Yards 	TD 	Catch %
Caldwell	15.7  	32  	12.7  	37  	9.4%  	32  	4.1%  	102  	767  	4  	60%
Stallworth	12.3  	39  	13.6  	33  	7.4%  	35  	10.4%  	78  	725  	5  	49%

Football Outsiders makes the caveat that wide receivers' performance metrics cannot be separated from that of their quarterbacks, and while this would normal favor Tom Brady's receivers, McNabb had a Pro Bowl year until he was injured, and Jeff Garcia quarterbacked rather effectively afterwards.

 

[BradyManny]

I posted this in another thread:

In 5 seasons...

Branch: 266 rec, 3469 yards, 18 TDs, 13.0 avg
Stallworth: 233 rec, 3561 yards, 28 TDs, 15.1 avg

Out of the possible 80 regular season games in 5 years...Deion has played 67 games and Stallworth has played 68.


As I said in that thread as well, I'd rather have Deion, he's a better all around receiver, but Stallworth is pretty good himself.

 

[tombonneau]

Thanks for posting Stallworth stats. I think statistically its his ypc and TDs that separate him from Caldwell.

(Looking at that, still can't believe Pats got a #1 for Branch. Crazy.)

 

[Digger44]

Stallworth is a good receiver, but I'm not sure he's clearly better than Caldwell at this point in their careers. To wit:

Player		DPAR  	Rank 	PAR 	Rank 	DVOA 	Rank 	VOA 	Passes 	Yards 	TD 	Catch %
Caldwell	15.7  	32  	12.7  	37  	9.4%  	32  	4.1%  	102  	767  	4  	60%
Stallworth	12.3  	39  	13.6  	33  	7.4%  	35  	10.4%  	78  	725  	5  	49%

Football Outsiders makes the caveat that wide receivers' performance metrics cannot be separated from that of their quarterbacks, and while this would normal favor Tom Brady's receivers, McNabb had a Pro Bowl year until he was injured, and Jeff Garcia quarterbacked rather effectively afterwards.

I don't think that they are the same type of WR either. They play two very different games. IMO you can't compare them equally.

 

[Jimke]

The person who suggests that Stallworth should get a mimimum salary offer

has a hole in his head. I got news for him. In 2008 both Jabar Gaffney and

Reche Caldwell will have new homes with much higher salaries.

 

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The person who suggests that Stallworth should get a mimimum salary offer

has a hole in his head. I got news for him. In 2008 both Jabar Gaffney and

Reche Caldwell will have new homes with much higher salaries.

Your joke detector needs new batteries.

I don't think that they are the same type of WR either. They play two very different games. IMO you can't compare them equally.

I think the stats accurately represent their two different games, and IMHO you can compare them because they were their team's #1 WR. Caldwell was in fact our leading wide receiver, while Stallworth lost out to Reggie Brown in yards (due to injury) and was far far behind Westbrook in catches. In fact, I'd go on to say that Reche Caldwell was the focal point of our passing offense in a way that Stallworth was not. Philly's offense flows through McNabb and Westbrook.

 

[salty]

I think the stats accurately represent their two different games, and IMHO you can compare them because they were their team's #1 WR. Caldwell was in fact our leading wide receiver, while Stallworth lost out to Reggie Brown in yards (due to injury) and was far far behind Westbrook in catches. In fact, I'd go on to say that Reche Caldwell was the focal point of our passing offense in a way that Stallworth was not. Philly's offense flows through McNabb and Westbrook.

And Caldwell being our leading WR got us where against Indy? Look, I know the guy had a pretty good year statistically, and did come up with some big catches here and there, but when it came down to it he proved himself unable to take the pressure of a big game. Reche just doesn't have "it", IMO, and I'd much rather he was our 3rd or 4th receiver, if even on the team at all.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

marvin harrison is a pretty good receiver but every post season he disappears. i think caldwell will rebound.

 

[Digger44]

Your joke detector needs new batteries.



I think the stats accurately represent their two different games, and IMHO you can compare them because they were their team's #1 WR. Caldwell was in fact our leading wide receiver, while Stallworth lost out to Reggie Brown in yards (due to injury) and was far far behind Westbrook in catches. In fact, I'd go on to say that Reche Caldwell was the focal point of our passing offense in a way that Stallworth was not. Philly's offense flows through McNabb and Westbrook.

What you just describes is the West Coast offense. Westbrook isnt just a RB, like you say he is a WR as well. Stallworth played in the same style in NO, but they has a hard nose runner in Duece. I am not convinced that there were those teams #1 either. That is quite a leap. Honestly, the Pats didn't have a #1 this year. Everyone cycled through. It is tough to make the comparison.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Patriots are going to sign Stallworth. End of story.

 

[Digger44]

Patriots are going to sign Stallworth. End of story.

and you know this how? not end of story.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

and you know this how? not end of story.

Just a prediction. Every time the Pats play against Stallworth, Belichick says great things of him. Stallworth also said if he didn't re-sign with the Eagles, the Pats, 9ers and some other team would. Stallworth would be a great addition to the passing game because of his ability to stretch the field. Something the Pats had a hard time doing last season.

 

[Digger44]

Just a prediction. Every time the Pats play against Stallworth, Belichick says great things of him. Stallworth also said if he didn't re-sign with the Eagles, the Pats, 9ers and some other team would. Stallworth would be a great addition to the passing game because of his ability to stretch the field. Something the Pats had a hard time doing last season.

I agree he would be a good addition, but your opinon is not end of story. BB sucks anyway, so he wont bring Stallworth in.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

I agree he would be a good addition, but your opinon is not end of story. BB sucks anyway, so he wont bring Stallworth in.

Your probably right. I think Belicheck will get it and realize that the team needs more talent. It was exposed against Indy TWICE last season.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I think a healthy Stallworth is better than Caldwell. Most would likely agree. Only problem is a healthy Stallworth is not exactly a sure thing.

Historically nor is a healthy Caldwell.

But generally its an apples to oranges comparison. In his career Stallworth has been used as an all around WR - short, mid, long passes....when the team needs that (hence the 15 ypc career average) but if he needs to be the primary deep threat, he can get that job done, as evidenced by last seaons's 19 yards per catch average - because that's the role the Eagles wanted him to fill, just like we would.

Caldwell meanwhile is pretty much a career 12 yards per catch guy. Probably about 20 of his catches were 5 yards or under on average this season - not that I'm complaining because that can be effective in the right situation too. But 5 yards per catch doesn't stretch the field much.

But what we lack is a stretch the field deep threat. Stallworth could fill that role nicely and keep safeties in the secondary for a change even if he only caught 30-40 passes @ 20 yards per catch.

 

[zippo59]

Something isn't right about this Stallworth thing.

I don't get why Philadelphia is showing such little interest in resigning given the fact that when he was healthy he was their best WR.

I think something is going on that we don't know.

I believe his agent is Drew Rosenhaus, and I've heard he is demanding a ridiculous amount of money.

I've also heard something about failed drug tests.