Who will start across Amendola week 1?

[Lifer]

IMHO i think most folks are underestimating what Tom Brady is doing with these receivers. He won Super Bowls with Deion Branch, David Givens, David Patton and Troy Brown and took the Patriots to the AFCCG with Troy Brown, Reche Caldwell, and Jabar Gaffney. Danny Amendola, Aaron Dobson, Michael Jenkins, and Donald Jones will all be better with Tom Brady than any of us can imagine and they will be just fine

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

No, sadly, it's not.

Yes it is... no question lol

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes it is... no question lol

The correlations are there, for any willing to admit it:

Troy Brown = Mike Jenkins
Doug Gabriel = Donald Jones
Chad Jackson = Aaron Dobson
Caldwell = Edelman

It is what it is. The only real difference is Gaffney v. Amendola, especially since Gaffney was a late addition.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

Talent wise this group is the most talented we've had outside of the 2007 group. The thing that I like about this group better than last year is that both Wes and Lloyd were one trick ponies and these guys simply aren't. Wes couldn't get deep or catch the big pass and Lloyd just couldn't get deep. Lloyd also couldn't beat tough coverage or threaten a defense vertically and made an unnecessary effort on the easiest passes thrown to him, as if he was confused or didn't know what he was doing. You didn't see that in "scrubs" like Givens, Patten, Branch or Brown. I don't care what numbers you throw at me, or what "BIG NAME" you have, the result of the season doesn't lie. Brandon Lloyd disappeared too often, and was non existent in the AFC Championship game. Against the patriots, what do you do? Clog the middle because you know Wes isn't going to beat you deep and you also know Lloyd offers NO THREAT. That's how the Raven's spanked us, he simply couldn't get open. But with this group of receivers this year, they all offer something that we haven't seen in a while.... versatility and a different variety of things that they can each do. And you can't go by health because that's something that simply just happens, any and everybody on the roster could get hurt at anytime whether they have a history or not. Any and everybody could also stay healthy for a season at anytime, where they have a history or not. That's how it works.

Dobson - Can run every route, young so has juice, speed, size, strength, vertical, leverage and hands.. that are a lot of teams that wanted this kid, and WE have him. By the way that one handed catch was sick and that's not the only one handed catch he has made, look him up on you-tube. You just don't get compared to Moss and Fitzgerald out of college just for the hell of it. smart kid, easier to pick up offensive system because of it, also jersey number in teens like other great "Big men" (B-Marshall, Julio Jones, Fitzgerald, AJ Green) And we also have a good track record of receivers out of Marshall which happen to be our two best ever for NE in Randy Moss and Troy Brown.
Amendola - Bigger, faster, quicker, stronger, more athletic, crisper routes, more explosive, more accomplished coming into NE then Wes in 07 and glue hands. Runs any and every route, including the deep (Welker couldn't) Welker 2.5 upgrade in all facets especially speed, determined, hungry and healthy. Brady will make this guy a superstar IMO. Especially since he made Wes a star after the poor runnings with MIA and SD
Edelman - Slot, X, Running-back, Scat-back and deep (proven against Jets last season), great at inside slants and smoke screens and elusiveness and open field playmaking ability rivals Hernandez. Lets not forget in 2009 how he filled in well for Welker as a rookie. Formally known as Wes Welker's "minime". If healthy, he can be downright explosive.
DJones - Solid route runner and has beaten a few teams deep against good defenses, sneaky speed and very versatile. Can even take handoffs out of the backfield and could excel in offense system and quarterback like ours
Boyce - thick but quick, fast down field, strong, yac attack after the catch and tough hands. Smart kid, makes it easier to pick up offensive system.
Jenkins - all I can say is a decent career with NO real quarterback throwing to him. Solid routes, tall and above average possession receiver which is what we need. Also has the experience and wisdom to get it done, share with Tom such as ideas and teach the younger ones.

- These guys can run different routes and be lined up all over the field, including the backfield in some cases. They offer more of a threat for defenses to have to cover more field and think more as opposed to Wes and Lloyd because at least with Wes and Lloyd you know what do defend and what you are getting. With this group, you have no clue who is running what route and what to expect or defend but you know the ball is coming out quickly, accurately and without a huddle lol And you better be ready to defend because the routes are going to be precise.

Also the guy that got the most out of David Givens, David Patten, Deion Branch and Troy Brown was brought back in WR Coach Brian Daboll for a reason ... If he could coach and groom that group then imagine what Daboll can do for this group? Especially with them having tons of more talent, passes thrown from Tom and coaching from McDaniels, Daboll AND Belichick .. AND TOM lol Really? And we're worried about offense?

If you ask me anybody could line up across from Amendola.. Although I think that Aaron Dobson, Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman could be LETHAL.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

The correlations are there, for any willing to admit it:

Troy Brown = Mike Jenkins
Doug Gabriel = Donald Jones
Chad Jackson = Aaron Dobson
Caldwell = Edelman

It is what it is. The only real difference is Gaffney v. Amendola, especially since Gaffney was a late addition.

This is stupid and I'm wasting my time responding to you, why are you even a fan?

Chad Jackson? compares nothing to Dobson, especially in size and type of receiver.

Caldwell is a lot slower, not as quick, not nearly as explosive or has open field playmaking ability like Edelman has.. so that's dumb.

Troy Brown is a lot shorter then Jenkins and not the same type of receiver so???

And I mean this Respectfully

 

[manxman2601]

Talent wise this group is the most talented we've had outside of the 2007 group. The thing that I like about this group better than last year is that both Wes and Lloyd were one trick ponies and these guys simply aren't. Wes couldn't get deep or catch the big pass and Lloyd just couldn't get deep. Lloyd also couldn't beat tough coverage or threaten a defense vertically and made an unnecessary effort on the easiest passes thrown to him, as if he was confused or didn't know what he was doing. You didn't see that in "scrubs" like Givens, Patten, Branch or Brown. I don't care what numbers you throw at me, or what "BIG NAME" you have, the result of the season doesn't lie. Brandon Lloyd disappeared too often, and was non existent in the AFC Championship game. Against the patriots, what do you do? Clog the middle because you know Wes isn't going to beat you deep and you also know Lloyd offers NO THREAT. That's how the Raven's spanked us, he simply couldn't get open. But with this group of receivers this year, they all offer something that we haven't seen in a while.... versatility and a different variety of things that they can each do. And you can't go by health because that's something that simply just happens, any and everybody on the roster could get hurt at anytime whether they have a history or not. Any and everybody could also stay healthy for a season at anytime, where they have a history or not. That's how it works.

Dobson - Can run every route, young so has juice, speed, size, strength, vertical, leverage and hands.. that are a lot of teams that wanted this kid, and WE have him. By the way that one handed catch was sick and that's not the only one handed catch he has made, look him up on you-tube. You just don't get compared to Moss and Fitzgerald out of college just for the hell of it. smart kid, easier to pick up offensive system because of it, also jersey number in teens like other great "Big men" (B-Marshall, Julio Jones, Fitzgerald, AJ Green) And we also have a good track record of receivers out of Marshall which happen to be our two best ever for NE in Randy Moss and Troy Brown.
Amendola - Bigger, faster, quicker, stronger, more athletic, crisper routes, more explosive, more accomplished coming into NE then Wes in 07 and glue hands. Runs any and every route, including the deep (Welker couldn't) Welker 2.5 upgrade in all facets especially speed, determined, hungry and healthy. Brady will make this guy a superstar IMO. Especially since he made Wes a star after the poor runnings with MIA and SD
Edelman - Slot, X, Running-back, Scat-back and deep (proven against Jets last season), great at inside slants and smoke screens and elusiveness and open field playmaking ability rivals Hernandez. Lets not forget in 2009 how he filled in well for Welker as a rookie. Formally known as Wes Welker's "minime". If healthy, he can be downright explosive.
DJones - Solid route runner and has beaten a few teams deep against good defenses, sneaky speed and very versatile. Can even take handoffs out of the backfield and could excel in offense system and quarterback like ours
Boyce - thick but quick, fast down field, strong, yac attack after the catch and tough hands. Smart kid, makes it easier to pick up offensive system.
Jenkins - all I can say is a decent career with NO real quarterback throwing to him. Solid routes, tall and above average possession receiver which is what we need. Also has the experience and wisdom to get it done, share with Tom such as ideas and teach the younger ones.

- These guys can run different routes and be lined up all over the field, including the backfield in some cases. They offer more of a threat for defenses to have to cover more field and think more as opposed to Wes and Lloyd because at least with Wes and Lloyd you know what do defend and what you are getting. With this group, you have no clue who is running what route and what to expect or defend but you know the ball is coming out quickly, accurately and without a huddle lol And you better be ready to defend because the routes are going to be precise.

Also the guy that got the most out of David Givens, David Patten, Deion Branch and Troy Brown was brought back in WR Coach Brian Daboll for a reason ... If he could coach and groom that group then imagine what Daboll can do for this group? Especially with them having tons of more talent, passes thrown from Tom and coaching from McDaniels, Daboll AND Belichick .. AND TOM lol Really? And we're worried about offense?

If you ask me anybody could line up across from Amendola.. Although I think that Aaron Dobson, Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman could be LETHAL.

Excellent post although I'm not as high on Dobson as you are.

 

[Deus Irae]

This is stupid and I'm wasting my time responding to you, why are you even a fan?

Chad Jackson? compares nothing to Dobson, especially in size and type of receiver.

Caldwell is a lot slower, not as quick, not nearly as explosive or has open field playmaking ability like Edelman has.. so that's dumb.

Troy Brown is a lot shorter then Jenkins and not the same type of receiver so???

And I mean this Respectfully

You're probably the most over-the-top, blind homer currently posting here, and I don't judge my personal fandom based upon how blindly I follow my team, so your "fan" dig is completely wasted on me.

• Jackson - pimped rookie drafted in 2nd round who started the offseason slowly, same as Dobson
• Brown - Established vet in the 30's with about 40 catches the year before, same as Jenkins
• Gabriel - 25 year old going into 4th season, looking to establish himself after an injury shortened season yielding about 40 receptions, same as Jones.
• Caldwell - 47 games, 12 starts, 76 catches in first 4 seasons (Edelman 48 games 13 starts 69 catches)

What was "dumb" was your kneejerk response that did nothing but demonstrate your lack of thought prior to posting.

 

[BradyBranch39]

I'd have to say Jenkins right now, but I'm not comfortable answering this question in mid-June.

 

[thechris]

WR is going to be a HUGE problem this season. If I were an opposing defense I'd blitz Brady all day long.

 

[YearbookCurfew]

I'm really excited to see this Other guy play. I heard on ESPN that he's got some real potential.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

You're probably the most over-the-top, blind homer currently posting here, and I don't judge my personal fandom based upon how blindly I follow my team, so your "fan" dig is completely wasted on me.

• Jackson - pimped rookie drafted in 2nd round who started the offseason slowly, same as Dobson
• Brown - Established vet in the 30's with about 40 catches the year before, same as Jenkins
• Gabriel - 25 year old going into 4th season, looking to establish himself after an injury shortened season yielding about 40 receptions, same as Jones.
• Caldwell - 47 games, 12 starts, 76 catches in first 4 seasons (Edelman 48 games 13 starts 69 catches)

What was "dumb" was your kneejerk response that did nothing but demonstrate your lack of thought prior to posting.

I don't have a lack of thought anyway, wouldn't made it far in service if I did number one, and number two.. you need to join a fantasy team because your comparison in numbers has nothing to do with the ability and capability of a player and impact they could have.

Troy Brown was a constant clutch contributor to 3 SB teams
Julian Edelman is an electric player with the ball in his hands and could be great in slot if he stays healthy, his style and talent is way more then Caldwell
Jackson is not 6'3, 204 pounds with size, speed and great hands and makes routine one handed grabs
And Gabriel, I'm wasting my breathe.... You act like Brady has never MADE his receivers before, like we need all stars at each WR position, get real.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

i cringe at seeing jones or jenkins as one of our starting WRs....


Pats really dropped the ball this year IMO

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't have a lack of thought anyway, wouldn't made it far in service if I did number one, and number two.. you need to join a fantasy team because your comparison in numbers has nothing to do with the ability and capability of a player and impact they could have.

I've read your posts. Lack of thought is prevalent throughout them. It's likely because you only look through the "Patriots are 100% right, all the time" lens.

Troy Brown was a constant clutch contributor to 3 SB teams
Julian Edelman is an electric player with the ball in his hands and could be great in slot if he stays healthy, his style and talent is way more then Caldwell
Jackson is not 6'3, 204 pounds with size, speed and great hands and makes routine one handed grabs
And Gabriel, I'm wasting my breathe.... You act like Brady has never MADE his receivers before, like we need all stars at each WR position, get real.

I'm not "acting" like anything. I'm pointing out that this year's WR situation is pretty close to a 2006 redux situation. Your responses have just been poor attempts to distract from that.

Oh, and just for the record, Chad Jackson was 6'3, 213, ran a 4.32, and had a 38.5 vertical. As I said, you're just making poor attempts to distract.

 

[jah]

I think the depth chart will be Amendola, Jenkins, Edelman, Dobson, Boyce, Slater. Thompkins will hopefully land on the PS. I can elaborate if anyone cares enough but I don't really feel like it right now.

 

[mcmurtry86]

I've read your posts. Lack of thought is prevalent throughout them. It's likely because you only look through the "Patriots are 100% right, all the time" lens.



I'm not "acting" like anything. I'm pointing out that this year's WR situation is pretty close to a 2006 redux situation. Your responses have just been poor attempts to distract from that.

Oh, and just for the record, Chad Jackson was 6'3, 213, ran a 4.32, and had a 38.5 vertical. As I said, you're just making poor attempts to distract.

If you're going to berate others for being incorrect or lacking thought, you should at least get your own facts straight.

Jackson was 6'1, not 6'3 (he was actually 6 feet and 7/8ths of an inch). That's a pretty big difference for a WR.

 

[Deus Irae]

If you're going to berate others for being incorrect or lacking thought, you should at least get your own facts straight.

Jackson was 6'1, not 6'3 (he was actually 6 feet and 7/8ths of an inch). That's a pretty big difference for a WR.

I'm sorry if the height/weight were off, but you'll have to take that up with NFL.com. I pulled the workout numbers from their site trying to make it official, but they didn't have the height/weight and I had to pull that from elsewhere. The same basic rule applies, though, as Jackson has team records that are still in effect, was a second round pick over 6 feet tall 200 lbs, and ran a 4.32. My fault for not double checking, though.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Chad Jackson

As for the berating, take note of the fact that he was the one who cast the first stone, and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Ive_Killed_People]

My gut says Michael Jenkins starts across Amendola week 1 as the journeyman veteran.

Usually when people claim to have a 'gut' feeling about something they go on to describe an unlikely situation. Your gut just seems to read a lot of Pats coverage. Just curious, I'm going to see the Globetrotters take on the Generals tomorrow is your gut telling you anything about this matchup?

 

[Ive_Killed_People]

i cringe at seeing jones or jenkins as one of our starting WRs....


Pats really dropped the ball this year IMO

You better check your tense there son,because the season aint started yet. So stop cringing there battle cat.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

No, sadly, it's not.

The Patriots offensive weapons and their overall offense as a whole is leaps and bounds better than the 2006 squad. We obviously have much different opinions of the current situation, so you're entitled to that opinion, but its pretty clear to me that this situation is a lot better than it was in 2006 and the offense will be a lot more potent than it was back then.

The 2006 offense didn't have nearly the talent that this one does at TE, and that includes the loss of Hernandez. The 2006 squad didn't come close as far as the potency of the running game, and the receiving corpse is better now with Amendola, Edelman, Jenkins, Jones and 2 athletic rookies than it was back then.

The offensive lines are about the same, although you could almost give the nod do this squad. The only up in the air Oline spot is right guard and we have plenty of depth to fill that.