Jackson Has Torn Acl Per Reiss

[reflexblue]

Looks like we'll be drafting Dallas Baker

Or sighning someone like Dante Stalworth.

 

[BelichickFan]

We'll definitely be signing or drafting a legit WR now. Maybe not in the first round but on the first day for sure (unless we sign a solid WR). Not that we could count on Jackson but he's basically a second half player now.

Remember Braylon Edwards tore his on 12/5 the year before and made it back for the start of the season. Jackson tore his about 2 months later so being back next year sometime is very possible.

 

[patsgo]

We'll definitely be signing or drafting a legit WR now. Maybe not in the first round but on the first day for sure (unless we sign a solid WR). Not that we could count on Jackson but he's basically a second half player now.

Remember Braylon Edwards tore his on 12/5 the year before and made it back for the start of the season. Jackson tore his about 2 months later so being back next year sometime is very possible.

with no reps no training camp for the 2nd year in a row thats wishful thinking

 

[JackBauer]

even when healthy and we needed him to step up he didnt, its time to move on all the hype was just thathe is now with dykes, simmons and johnson end of story

Uh, he was a rookie. And every scouting report (not to mention his HS coach) said he would likely require patience and wouldn't contribute until his second or third year.

Give me a freakin' break.

 

[BelichickFan]

with no reps no training camp for the 2nd year in a row thats wishful thinking

It's optimistic but not ridiculous. Just being around the team, the offense, the classroom, for a second year in a row he'll be a lot more comfortable with everything.

I expect he'll be PUPed, not IRed, and has a good chance to play next year although certainly not at the level than he otherwise would.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

eh, at least a starter didn't get hurt.

To the rest of you. Please remember that players read this board too. You don't have any evidence that Chad Jackson is excessively fragile or a "slow healer" or lacking commitment. Until we have any direct evidence, such negative speculation about a Patriots player is disloyal, it seems to me.

you work for the current (US presidential) administration, don't you?

 

[JackBauer]

I think he's absolutely right.

 

[BradyManny]

Without Remix starting this avalanche, we may not have known about Jackson's injury until training camp. Thanks, Remix. BTW, I believe this may end up helping JAckson long term. He should regain his athleticism as many Wrs have done after ACL injuries. But the injury should humble him, the absence should scare him into not taking his ability for granted, rehab should discipline him, the isolation should mature him, and, still only 21, when he finally does return, those factors should combine to help him reach his potential. Unfortunately, there is now no way of setting a career timeline for Jackson. I like Meachem or Rice in rd 1. Brady needs to enter his prime with a viable #1 option, and Meachem or Rice, can become that. Contrary to popular belief I don't see Rice as being a raw player. He's just young. There's a difference. He's also clutch (his catch vs. Florida that should have won the game for SC but was called back on a questionable holding call, leading to Moss' blocked kick).

Thanks for looking at this in a very positive light. I know a lot of people are going to use this as an excuse to continue to bash Jackson, but his NFL career is still so young.

I'm surprised Reiss puts the Walker 8-12 month case in there, b/c isn't best case scenario actually 4 months?


EDIT:
Some link I googled:
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/aclrepain/a/acl_3.htm

"As stated before, the surgery is usually done no sooner than one month after the injury."

"Finally, normal (not high-demand) activities (e.g. running) can be resumed at about two to four months following surgery. Most athletes in high-demand sports with cutting and lateral movement (e.g. soccer, basketball), can expect to return about six to seven months after surgical reconstruction."

So, all in all, you're talking 7-8 months, which places us right around training camp and the start of the season.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

Uh, he was a rookie. And every scouting report (not to mention his HS coach) said he would likely require patience and wouldn't contribute until his second or third year.

Give me a freakin' break.

I agree. Can't believe that so many are slamming this kid.

None of us, including the media, know what is really going on in the locker room and about what BB thinks about each player. I trust that BB will take the proper decision and see no point in wringing my hands or putting CJ down.

Hope that CJ recovers soon and contributes.

Go PATS!

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Without Remix starting this avalanche, we may not have known about Jackson's injury until training camp. Thanks, Remix. BTW, I believe this may end up helping JAckson long term. He should regain his athleticism as many Wrs have done after ACL injuries. But the injury should humble him, the absence should scare him into not taking his ability for granted, rehab should discipline him, the isolation should mature him, and, still only 21, when he finally does return, those factors should combine to help him reach his potential. Unfortunately, there is now no way of setting a career timeline for Jackson. I like Meachem or Rice in rd 1. Brady needs to enter his prime with a viable #1 option, and Meachem or Rice, can become that. Contrary to popular belief I don't see Rice as being a raw player. He's just young. There's a difference. He's also clutch (his catch vs. Florida that should have won the game for SC but was called back on a questionable holding call, leading to Moss' blocked kick).

Remix did start the process. I'm sure Curran read it here and then the Patriots felt they needed to release the info through Reiss.

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Thanks for looking at this in a very positive light. I know a lot of people are going to use this as an excuse to continue to bash Jackson, but his NFL career is still so young.

I'm surprised Reiss puts the Walker 8-12 month case in there, b/c isn't best case scenario actually 4 months?


EDIT:
Some link I googled:
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/aclrepain/a/acl_3.htm

"As stated before, the surgery is usually done no sooner than one month after the injury."

"Finally, normal (not high-demand) activities (e.g. running) can be resumed at about two to four months following surgery. Most athletes in high-demand sports with cutting and lateral movement (e.g. soccer, basketball), can expect to return about six to seven months after surgical reconstruction."

So, all in all, you're talking 7-8 months, which places us right around training camp and the start of the season.

Thank for looking that up.

Jackson might be a PUP case this year but at least it looks like he wont miss ALL of 2007 with the injury which would be a terrible setback to his career for him and the team.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Silver lining is that it will drive the Pats to seriously address the WR position.

Yes - that's a major silver lining - especially as compared to an injury or underperformance of Jackson in camp at a point when the draft is over and there are no good free agents available.

Mark me down in support of a proven free agent deep threat. We don't need a #1 WR - just a proven deep threat.

Just very unfortuante that we've never seen a time when Jackson was uninjured, with the exception of non-pad rookie camp, which showed great flashes but generally one doesn't put too much stock in non-contact football.

 

[dhamz]

This comes on the heels of a Curran report that Jackson won't miss significant time in 2007.

I have NO IDEA who to believe at this point.

Let's just wait until camp...

Those reports of an ACL tear and him not missing significant time in 2007 are not mutually exclusive.

Depending on the severity of the tear, he could be back for early 2007 (Braylon Edwards come to mind) or he could have trouble for a much longer period (Culpepper comes to kind).

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I'm must disagree with part of your perspective Pony: Jackson has already shown maturity and discipline, demonstrated in his work to come back from hamstring and groin injuries. He worked on his blocking and he worked on Special Teams coverage. In other words he was already doing the little things to make himself useful beyond Go routes. His injury occured while covering a kick, it's sad people want(ed) to focus on his lack of playing time as a negative, instead of noting how hard he was working to be a Patriot WR in the Troy Brown mould.

You are correct, he is a young player and should also bounce back physically from this injury. Chad still has a fine future in the NFL and hopefully all with New England, I'm excited to see how well he bounces back from this setback, from all I've observed he has a good position coach and we know how good the trainers are. If he focuses on the positive benefits to his family from being a high second rounder and finds additional strength through adversity, the way Troy did as an 8th round draft pick, we could be seeing the next Patriot icon in the crucible.

Get well Chad.

Without Remix starting this avalanche, we may not have known about Jackson's injury until training camp. Thanks, Remix. BTW, I believe this may end up helping JAckson long term. He should regain his athleticism as many Wrs have done after ACL injuries. But the injury should humble him, the absence should scare him into not taking his ability for granted, rehab should discipline him, the isolation should mature him, and, still only 21, when he finally does return, those factors should combine to help him reach his potential. Unfortunately, there is now no way of setting a career timeline for Jackson. I like Meachem or Rice in rd 1. Brady needs to enter his prime with a viable #1 option, and Meachem or Rice, can become that. Contrary to popular belief I don't see Rice as being a raw player. He's just young. There's a difference. He's also clutch (his catch vs. Florida that should have won the game for SC but was called back on a questionable holding call, leading to Moss' blocked kick).

 

[patsgo]

I agree. Can't believe that so many are slamming this kid.

None of us, including the media, know what is really going on in the locker room and about what BB thinks about each player. I trust that BB will take the proper decision and see no point in wringing my hands or putting CJ down.

Hope that CJ recovers soon and contributes.

Go PATS!

no one is slamming him but the facts are he is injury prone and when healthy couldnt emerge from a weak stable of recievers those are facts lets hope he does something in the future

 

[JackBauer]

I'm must disagree with part of your perspective Pony: Jackson has already shown maturity and discipline, demonstrated in his work to come back from hamstring and groin injuries. He worked on his blocking and he worked on Special Teams coverage. In other words he was already doing the little things to make himself useful beyond Go routes. His injury occured while covering a kick, it's sad people want(ed) to focus on his lack of playing time as a negative, instead of noting how hard he was working to be a Patriot WR in the Troy Brown mould.

You are correct, he is a young player and should also bounce back physically from this injury. Chad still has a fine future in the NFL and hopefully all with New England, I'm excited to see how well he bounces back from this setback, from all I've observed he has a good position coach and we know how good the trainers are. If he focuses on the positive benefits to his family from being a high second rounder and finds additional strength through adversity, the way Troy did as an 8th round draft pick, we could be seeing the next Patriot icon in the crucible.

Get well Chad.

Spot on, IMO.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Thanks for looking at this in a very positive light. I know a lot of people are going to use this as an excuse to continue to bash Jackson, but his NFL career is still so young.

I'm surprised Reiss puts the Walker 8-12 month case in there, b/c isn't best case scenario actually 4 months?


EDIT:
Some link I googled:
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/aclrepain/a/acl_3.htm

"As stated before, the surgery is usually done no sooner than one month after the injury."

"Finally, normal (not high-demand) activities (e.g. running) can be resumed at about two to four months following surgery. Most athletes in high-demand sports with cutting and lateral movement (e.g. soccer, basketball), can expect to return about six to seven months after surgical reconstruction."

So, all in all, you're talking 7-8 months, which places us right around training camp and the start of the season.

Having gone through that surgery myself its really just a matter of letting the swelling and trauma subside - before you re-traumatize by going in arthroscopically.

As I noted its the cutting motion where the ACL comes most into play. One does not feel as unsure about straight running.

At question will be whether they use part of his own hamstring as the ACL replacement (normally the preferred option, but do we really want them messing with Jackson's hamstring?) or a hamstring from a cadaver.

I believe in both cases live tissue is meant to grow over and supplant the replacement ACL, though with the cadaver tissue there might be a greater chance of rejection or infection

 

[BradyManny]

I'm must disagree with part of your perspective Pony: Jackson has already shown maturity and discipline, demonstrated in his work to come back from hamstring and groin injuries. He worked on his blocking and he worked on Special Teams coverage. In other words he was already doing the little things to make himself useful beyond Go routes. His injury occured while covering a kick, it's sad people want(ed) to focus on his lack of playing time as a negative, instead of noting how hard he was working to be a Patriot WR in the Troy Brown mould.

You are correct, he is a young player and should also bounce back physically from this injury. Chad still has a fine future in the NFL and hopefully all with New England, I'm excited to see how well he bounces back from this setback, from all I've observed he has a good position coach and we know how good the trainers are. If he focuses on the positive benefits to his family from being a high second rounder and finds additional strength through adversity, the way Troy did as an 8th round draft pick, we could be seeing the next Patriot icon in the crucible.

Get well Chad.

Really well put, BOR. Well said.


And since I'm bored at work with literally no work to do, here's a little more ACL reading for those interested:

http://athleticadvisor.com/Injuries/LE/Knee/acl_tears.htm

A few interesting tidbits...

"The news is full of ACL tears in professional and collegiate ranks. Recently, a Miami Dolphins player returned to football less than 3 months after surgical reconstruction of his ACL. Over the past 10 years the medical profession’s ability to adequately repair a torn ACL has grown tremendously. Rehabilitation after this injury has also advanced significantly. Ten years ago, after surgical repair of the ACL the patient was casted for six weeks while today, the knee is moved even before the patient wakes up from the anesthetic."

Then there's a pretty interesting description of the rehab...

 

[BradyManny]

Having gone through that surgery myself its really just a matter of letting the swelling and trauma subside - before you re-traumatize by going in arthroscopically.

As I noted its the cutting motion where the ACL comes most into play. One does not feel as unsure about straight running.

At question will be whether they use part of his own hamstring as the ACL replacement (normally the preferred option, but do we really want them messing with Jackson's hamstring?) or a hamstring from a cadaver.

I believe in both cases live tissue is meant to grow over and supplant the replacement ACL, though with the cadaver tissue there might be a greater chance of rejection or infection

Interesting stuff, thanks for the insights.

 

[denverpatsfan]

B-U-S-T BUST, BUST, BUST

Trade picks for Moss Now!!!