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The Tight End Situation


Maybe they morph Tebow into a hybrid TE/FB...for blocking?
 
Maybe they morph Tebow into a hybrid TE/FB...for blocking?

I highly doubt it. I would think that every one of the five other tight ends as well the two fullbacks on the roster who have been playing tight end (or FB) for years are much more capable and far more productive in that role.
 
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I think we are premature in assuming Gronkowski will start the season
on Reserve/PUP. The back operation was a routine, one hour procedure.
 
Hernandez isn't even really a tight end, he was the team's #1 receiver. And this was a receiving corps that could ill-afford to lose anyone, because now you have a couple injury prone guys, a couple rookies, and a bunch of bad veterans

This offense to me is a heavily run based offense anyways. With the luxury of RB's Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Brandon Bolden and LeGarrett Blount back there should be a lot of pressure taken off of the receiving corps to began with. That alone can be a lot of production moving the chains. Lets not forget none of us know how they are going to use Tim Tebow who is a good football player and does have strengths and God given attributes. And what bad veterans? Most of these guys played on bad to average offenses with no quarterbacks to catch from... who did Michael Jenkins have? Willie Ponder? Michael Vick? still had a decent career and is looking really strong in camp and now gets to catch passed from Tom Brady. Lets remember this vet has nice size, the experience and has been around the block. He can really help WR's coach Brian Daboll teach these young guys a thing or two. Donald Jones showed flashes, particularly against us and needs to be given a chance with a good quarterback throwing him the ball, well in this case him having a great quarterback with a way better offensive around him. As far as the rookies, I keep saying it but they are a different breed then drafts past for the Patriots, and offer more then recent WR picks both physically, versatility, and mentally since the days when we drafted David Givens and Deion Branch. Who knows how good they can be, but if you trust any coach or mind in football, you trust Bill Belicheck and his staff .. Josh McDaniels, WR's coach Brian Daboll (SB years) and definitely the guy pulling the trigger himself .. the Great Tom Brady. Tom never need superstars, just guys that can catch the ball... Like Danny Amendola, who if he does stay healthy can be made into a star, especially being the fact that he has better attributes then Wes at this point in his career, and is more accomplished then Wes is when he first came to NE from MIA. And last but not least to address the tightends, yes loosing to two best TE's in the league hurts but maybe its a blessing in disguise. I think that Ballard has what it takes to be a very good tightend in the league, which he showed when he was healthy to the entire world and that rookie Zach Sudfield can bring a lot to the table, but that remains to be seen. Just have to say opmtistic.
 
If Gronk & AHern are out for the start of the season, I don't see many 2 TE sets -- the reason we have had 2 TE sets is cause we had two dominant TEs; not because 2 TEs are the way to go. If we had 2 Randy Mosses & Welker, we'd be going 3 wide every play.

That said, this could be Tebow's chance to get playing time if he can show some TE ability
 
He came over last year and almost signed here...why not?

The more I think abut it the more it makes total sense . Dallas Clark would be a perfect answer , heck he would be good in the slot forget traditional TE
 
I didn't want my prediction that the WRs will be used more this year to come true like this...
 
I think we are premature in assuming Gronkowski will start the season
on Reserve/PUP. The back operation was a routine, one hour procedure.

Have you ever had back surgery? Nothing is routine about it..nor dose how long it takes matter
 
Is Dallas Clark an option?

I know word on the street is he might retire but if I am in the Patriots FO I am bringing him in for a look, a reliable veteran TE.

I would also bring in ex-Pat David Thomas for a look.
 
Have you ever had back surgery? Nothing is routine about it..nor dose how long it takes matter

Well if you are a NYG Fan, the NY sports media or the football media actually having back surgery is pretty routine. I mean at least that's what they said about Pierre-Paul's back surgery. They all have him starting Week 1.
 
Well, if our receivers start looking like a bunch of blind mice in the preseason, I hope we have Brandon Lloyd and Deion Branch on speed-dial. They may not be anything special, but they at least know the offense.

Deion Branch at this point will offer us nothing but maybe wisdom and Brandon Lloyd did not play up to the level that he is capable of playing when he was with us. I played harder for Kyle Orton then he did for us. I keep saying the same thing, but he needs to show up like lesser talented receivers David Givens and David Patten did for us so many times in crunch times and make the big tough plays when we need him to and he failed to do so.. mainly against Baltimore.
 
I didn't want my prediction that the WRs will be used more this year to come true like this...

If we can survive with David Givens, David Patten, Deion Branch and Troy Brown who were all talented but don't have the freakish talent and athleticism like we have now at the position then I think we'll be ok. Tom Brady made no names into superstars, and lets not forget Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniels and Brian Daboll will all coach them up, develop them and put them in positions to succeed.
 
For the purpose of discussion, I will assume the worst in that Hernandez will not be with the team this year. So let's take a look at the receiving options currently available:

Wide Receiver:
- Kamar Aiken
- Danny Amendola
- Josh Boyce
- Aaron Dobson
- Julian Edelman
- Mark Harrison
- Lavelle Hawkins
- Michael Jenkins
- Donald Jones
- Matthew Slater
- Kenbrell Thompkins

Amendola will assume the role of #1 WR on the team, replacing Welker from last year. There is no denying what Welker meant to this team, but I feel if Amendola can avoid the unlucky breaks (Collorbone/Elbow, I don't consider him injury prone) I feel he can have respectable production. Ideally, one of Dobson or Boyce will flash in Training Camp and earn the starting "X" position and #2 WR spot, but if they develop slowly, it will go to Jenkins. Jenkins is a former 1st round pick who is very much a JAG, but while he isn't fast he is very savvy in his routes and has smooth hands. He can mentor the rookies, and who knows: his career high in yards were just over 700. He is a big body and has never played with a QB like Brady. If he can gain 700-800 yards at least as the #2 WR, I'll take it. Lloyd wasn't much more than that. In 2011, Branch only had just under 600 yards, if I recall. Slater will make it because of his ST ability.

The locks at WR are, so far, Amendola, Jenkins, Dobson, Boyce, and Slater. If the rookies flash, maybe only 5 WR are kept, but I think 6 is the magic number this year. I feel one of Edelman, Hawkins, or even an UDFA like Thompkins could make it as the #4/5 WR. All in all, the potential impact of this group will come down to how well the rookies can develop and build a rapport with Brady.


Tight End:
- Jake Ballard
- Daniel Fells
- Brandon Ford
- Rob Gronkowski
- Aaron Hernandez
- Michael Hoomanawanui
- Zach Sudfeld

The entire offense will look 500% better once Gronkowski is healthy and back on the field. Don't doubt his ability to recover. He's a young kid, and a dominant player. For his safety and for the Patriots' best interests, he should be on PUP and return sometime after Week 6 in the season. He will have plenty of time to rehab and to condition himself during this time.

As for Hernandez, as I said, let us assume he is out of football this season for one reason or another.

The remaining Tight Ends are as follows:
- Jake Ballard
- Daniel Fells
- Brandon Ford
- Michael Hoomanawanui
- Zach Sudeld

In this scenario, the team would likely want Ballard to be healthy enough to "replace" Gronkowski's position in the lineup. As for Hernandez, one of Fells, Hooman or Sudfeld could be used. While he didn't show much last year, Fells is a good pass catcher and a decent blocker. Hooman is more of an H-Back and in my opinion most similar to Hernandez, but I question where his ceiling is in this offense. Sudfeld has reportedly been sensational in OTAs. Awesome to hear, but let's see it in pads. He is injury prone, but I have watched some highlights and games of his and he certainly has potential to be good in the NFL. He bears watching.


All in all, while the Patriots look bleak to start, they should finish strong as Gronkowski returns, and hopefully the rookies grow comfortable in the offense. Tom Brady is getting older and shouldn't have to win games by throwing the ball 35 times a game, so a more run-oriented offense could be expected (and maybe welcomed, Ridley-Vereen is a dynamic pairing). The defense also looks to be (on paper) the best it's been in years.
 
Michael Jenkins is bad. He didn't stop being bad because he signed with the Patriots, folks.

And right now, Edelman's a starter.
 
For the purpose of discussion, I will assume the worst in that Hernandez will not be with the team this year. So let's take a look at the receiving options currently available:

Wide Receiver:
- Kamar Aiken
- Danny Amendola
- Josh Boyce
- Aaron Dobson
- Julian Edelman
- Mark Harrison
- Lavelle Hawkins
- Michael Jenkins
- Donald Jones
- Matthew Slater
- Kenbrell Thompkins

Amendola will assume the role of #1 WR on the team, replacing Welker from last year. There is no denying what Welker meant to this team, but I feel if Amendola can avoid the unlucky breaks (Collorbone/Elbow, I don't consider him injury prone) I feel he can have respectable production. Ideally, one of Dobson or Boyce will flash in Training Camp and earn the starting "X" position and #2 WR spot, but if they develop slowly, it will go to Jenkins. Jenkins is a former 1st round pick who is very much a JAG, but while he isn't fast he is very savvy in his routes and has smooth hands. He can mentor the rookies, and who knows: his career high in yards were just over 700. He is a big body and has never played with a QB like Brady. If he can gain 700-800 yards at least as the #2 WR, I'll take it. Lloyd wasn't much more than that. In 2011, Branch only had just under 600 yards, if I recall. Slater will make it because of his ST ability.

The locks at WR are, so far, Amendola, Jenkins, Dobson, Boyce, and Slater. If the rookies flash, maybe only 5 WR are kept, but I think 6 is the magic number this year. I feel one of Edelman, Hawkins, or even an UDFA like Thompkins could make it as the #4/5 WR. All in all, the potential impact of this group will come down to how well the rookies can develop and build a rapport with Brady.


Tight End:
- Jake Ballard
- Daniel Fells
- Brandon Ford
- Rob Gronkowski
- Aaron Hernandez
- Michael Hoomanawanui
- Zach Sudfeld

The entire offense will look 500% better once Gronkowski is healthy and back on the field. Don't doubt his ability to recover. He's a young kid, and a dominant player. For his safety and for the Patriots' best interests, he should be on PUP and return sometime after Week 6 in the season. He will have plenty of time to rehab and to condition himself during this time.

As for Hernandez, as I said, let us assume he is out of football this season for one reason or another.

The remaining Tight Ends are as follows:
- Jake Ballard
- Daniel Fells
- Brandon Ford
- Michael Hoomanawanui
- Zach Sudeld

In this scenario, the team would likely want Ballard to be healthy enough to "replace" Gronkowski's position in the lineup. As for Hernandez, one of Fells, Hooman or Sudfeld could be used. While he didn't show much last year, Fells is a good pass catcher and a decent blocker. Hooman is more of an H-Back and in my opinion most similar to Hernandez, but I question where his ceiling is in this offense. Sudfeld has reportedly been sensational in OTAs. Awesome to hear, but let's see it in pads. He is injury prone, but I have watched some highlights and games of his and he certainly has potential to be good in the NFL. He bears watching.


All in all, while the Patriots look bleak to start, they should finish strong as Gronkowski returns, and hopefully the rookies grow comfortable in the offense. Tom Brady is getting older and shouldn't have to win games by throwing the ball 35 times a game, so a more run-oriented offense could be expected (and maybe welcomed, Ridley-Vereen is a dynamic pairing). The defense also looks to be (on paper) the best it's been in years.

Great points but a few things....

- Tom Brady is getting older, but he is still the class of the elite, the best of the best and if anybody could do it it is him.. but thank God we have a 1,200 yard rusher and rising star in Stevan Ridley, versatile jack of all trades running receiving back Shane Vereen and two power guys Brandon Bolden and LeGarrett Blount who could be lethal on the ground.

- I feel that Danny Amendola can have production waayy beyond respectable. Lets remember, he is younger, faster, quicker then Wes and runs super crisp routes. The guy shined with Sam Bradford as his QB, so what do you think could happen with Tom? A reason why teams like KC were bidding for him once FA started.. and I actually didn't think we would get him.
And he gives you that deep threat ability that Wes Welker simply didn't offer.

- Aaron Dobson has the physical tools, talents and gifts as well as intellectually to be a star for the Patriots. He also has the knowledge and wisdom around him. Even medium range productivity from him would help and he is more than likely going to give us more then that. These young kids come into the league and take it by storm because they are soo hungry and talented.. dangerous combination. And he was the last one to get signed, which to me would be physcological motivation to play extra extra hard.

- I like Josh Boyce, because he is physical, and stout but can also run, with a lot of speed and quickness and has good YAC ability after the catch. He is kind of like one of those 2003-2004 NE receivers where you can move around all over the field because he is so versatile and can run any route.

- Michael Jenkins, you hit it dead on and who knows what Donald Jones could bring in this system with this QB. Tom can make anybody look good, even great.

- Here is where I disagree with you... I think that Julian Edelman is a lock simply because of his versatility, value and what he means to the team both as a patriot on and off the field. He plays extremely hard, every down and is one of the most exciting players in the NFL to watch with the ball in his hands. His elusiveness, quickness, explosiveness and speed at the slot position and anywhere on offense has paid off for us before.. especially right before the injury last year. He was on an amazing hot streak in every aspect. And did a very good job for Wes Welker back in 2009 when he got hurt .. as a rookie and to me, has superstar potential written all over him.

I actually like the combination of him and Danny Amendola.. could be lethal if both stay healthy.

and lets face it...

YOUNGER IS BETTER these days in many ways for offenses

As for the tightends,

- Jake Ballard doubters, watch tape of the NYGiants last superbowl winning season then get back at me.

- Michael Hoomanawananui may not be a star but he is a good blocker, and is very versatile. I've also seen him catch two critical long balls from Tom before so don't underestimate the guy..

- Zach Sudfield - big kid with size and hands.. could see a lot of playing time.


Like I said with the defense improving roster wise this year, the offense will be just fine as long as we have Tom, Bill, Josh, and now welcome back Brian Daboll.. not to mention those very talented running backs and their many different styles they bring to the no huddle offense.
 
Michael Jenkins is bad. He didn't stop being bad because he signed with the Patriots, folks.

And right now, Edelman's a starter.

Right now Edelman can barely walk.
 
^^ good point ^^

You shouldn't expect anything from rookie receivers, and Zach Sudfeld is an undrafted rookie who probably won't even make the team. Jake Ballard is coming off microfracture surgery (though to be fair, was never much of an athlete). Amendola has the potential to be a better Wes Welker but has never stayed healthy for a season. Jenkins and Jones are just guys at best.
 
Great points but a few things....

- Tom Brady is getting older, but he is still the class of the elite, the best of the best and if anybody could do it it is him.. but thank God we have a 1,200 yard rusher and rising star in Stevan Ridley, versatile jack of all trades running receiving back Shane Vereen and two power guys Brandon Bolden and LeGarrett Blount who could be lethal on the ground.

- I feel that Danny Amendola can have production waayy beyond respectable. Lets remember, he is younger, faster, quicker then Wes and runs super crisp routes. The guy shined with Sam Bradford as his QB, so what do you think could happen with Tom? A reason why teams like KC were bidding for him once FA started.. and I actually didn't think we would get him.
And he gives you that deep threat ability that Wes Welker simply didn't offer.

- Aaron Dobson has the physical tools, talents and gifts as well as intellectually to be a star for the Patriots. He also has the knowledge and wisdom around him. Even medium range productivity from him would help and he is more than likely going to give us more then that. These young kids come into the league and take it by storm because they are soo hungry and talented.. dangerous combination. And he was the last one to get signed, which to me would be physcological motivation to play extra extra hard.

- I like Josh Boyce, because he is physical, and stout but can also run, with a lot of speed and quickness and has good YAC ability after the catch. He is kind of like one of those 2003-2004 NE receivers where you can move around all over the field because he is so versatile and can run any route.

- Michael Jenkins, you hit it dead on and who knows what Donald Jones could bring in this system with this QB. Tom can make anybody look good, even great.

- Here is where I disagree with you... I think that Julian Edelman is a lock simply because of his versatility, value and what he means to the team both as a patriot on and off the field. He plays extremely hard, every down and is one of the most exciting players in the NFL to watch with the ball in his hands. His elusiveness, quickness, explosiveness and speed at the slot position and anywhere on offense has paid off for us before.. especially right before the injury last year. He was on an amazing hot streak in every aspect. And did a very good job for Wes Welker back in 2009 when he got hurt .. as a rookie and to me, has superstar potential written all over him.

I actually like the combination of him and Danny Amendola.. could be lethal if both stay healthy.

and lets face it...

YOUNGER IS BETTER these days in many ways for offenses

As for the tightends,

- Jake Ballard doubters, watch tape of the NYGiants last superbowl winning season then get back at me.

- Michael Hoomanawananui may not be a star but he is a good blocker, and is very versatile. I've also seen him catch two critical long balls from Tom before so don't underestimate the guy..

- Zach Sudfield - big kid with size and hands.. could see a lot of playing time.


Like I said with the defense improving roster wise this year, the offense will be just fine as long as we have Tom, Bill, Josh, and now welcome back Brian Daboll.. not to mention those very talented running backs and their many different styles they bring to the no huddle offense.

Let's make a depth chart then, assuming 6WR and 4TE (Excluding Gronk/Hernandez):

"X" WR (The Vertical, Perimeter Threat)
- Michael Jenkins
- Aaron Dobson
- Josh Boyce
- Matthew Slater

"Z" WR (Shiftier, Over-the-middle type receivers (also can play slot)
- Danny Amendola
- Julian Edelman
*** Josh Boyce

Obviously, this depth chart would look much better if Dobson and Boyce can show something in TC/Preseason. It would look even better if one of them wound up starting alongside Amendola and make Jenkins just a solid veteran presence and good depth receiver. If Julian Edelman could stay consistently healthy (as could Amendola) then oh my we may have something here!

The ideal scenario would likely be Amendola, Dobson and Boyce being the top 3 WR on the depth chart. Edelman would be sprinkled in and Jenkins and Slater can be emergency options. Outside of 2007-2009, the Patriots have never had an elite WR group. We all love the group from 2001-2005, but really, they were average to above average players who knew how to do their job. I'm not knocking the Browns, Branchs or Givens or anything, but they aren't Randy Moss/Wes Welker.


With that said, the Patriots have always incorporated their Tight Ends in a manner that most other teams did not until recently. The duos of Graham-Fauria, Graham-Watson and eventually Gronkowski-Hernandez... the 2 TE set has always been Belichick's golden goose (If you doubt, read his obsessions of Mark Bavarro). With Gronkowski sidelined for maybe half the season, and Hernandez potentially facing career ending punishment, replacements must step up until Gronk returns.

"Y" Tight End (Standard Tight End. Inline blocker)
- Gronkowski ***PUP***
- Jake Ballard
- Daniel Fells

"Move" Tight End (More HBack/Receiver Type)
- Aaron Hernandez ***Deep ********
- Michael Hoomanawanui
- Zach Sudfeld

The names are definitely not as sexy as Gronk-Hernandez, but the Patriots have little choice. They need to lean on their young WRs and RBs until Gronkowski returns, and then everything will open up. The pressure on the Rookies and the Running Backs will drop greatly. Until then, one of Ballard/Fells needs to play the role of Gronk, maybe more in terms of blocking. The versatile Hernandez is more easily replaced, in my honest opinion. He's a receiver first and foremost. If Hoomanawanui or Sudfeld can show soft hands and any sort of HBack potential, they should be able to make it through the season in ok shape.

There is no need to add at WR. The rookies NEED to learn. Throw them into the fire for better or worse. If a veteran was to be added, it would be at "Move" Tight End. Ballard and Fells are capable blockers, but are Hooman and Sudfeld capable receivers? While the rookies deserve the spotlight, Brady does need his weapons. Dallas Clark, maybe?
 
^^ good point ^^

You shouldn't expect anything from rookie receivers, and Zach Sudfeld is an undrafted rookie who probably won't even make the team. Jake Ballard is coming off microfracture surgery (though to be fair, was never much of an athlete). Amendola has the potential to be a better Wes Welker but has never stayed healthy for a season. Jenkins and Jones are just guys at best.

You shouldn't expect anything, but you HAVE to throw them out there. Every team gives their rookie WRs decent playing time so they can learn and grow, where as the Patriots try to hide them and hope they can learn in practice. That's a huge disadvantage, in my opinion. Given the Gronk story and Hernandez's uncertainty, if there was ever a time to take a chance that could add another threat to this offense, if would be giving the rookies the spotlight. I'd love for them to sit a year, as I would love for ANY rookie, regardless of position or draft status, but this year is different.
 


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