Casey Hampton

[patsfan-1982]

Wilfork was used as a de a couple years ago to great success. The problem was that teams just ran to the opposite side because our olbs (tbc, nink and to a lesser degree Cunningham were all garbage against the run.

Hampton at the nose, wilfork at rde and a platoon of deaderick an Kelly at lde. Kelly played a little 34 de his rookie year and deaderick has shown to be a passable 5tech de as long as he's the worst guy in the front 7.


We wouldn't have the same players. This would get nink of the field which is a huge bonus and spikes/Hightower would be way more effective. The problem is that it likely negates or limits chandler

that may work for a few plays on obvious running downs like 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 but as a base defense you would have no pass rush at all like you said that limits Jones who is pretty much the only true pass rusher on the team

 

[tonyto3690]

that may work for a few plays on obvious running downs like 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 but as a base defense you would have no pass rush at all like you said that limits Jones who is pretty much the only true pass rusher on the team

Well in theory jones has the ability to be an elephant olb.

Also depending on Hightower and Collins are on the outside, it could work an even be better... In theory.

It'd certainly give the offense another thing to game plan for and would hide spikes and hightowers in effectiveness in pass coverage that they experience in the 43 defense.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Well, no. That just isn't true.

Jerod Mayo is the best of the bunch and loves to tackle everyone 5-10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage AFTER they have caught the ball. That is all I need to know.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Wilfork was used as a de a couple years ago to great success. The problem was that teams just ran to the opposite side because our olbs (tbc, nink and to a lesser degree Cunningham were all garbage against the run.

Hampton at the nose, wilfork at rde and a platoon of deaderick an Kelly at lde. Kelly played a little 34 de his rookie year and deaderick has shown to be a passable 5tech de as long as he's the worst guy in the front 7.


We wouldn't have the same players. This would get nink of the field which is a huge bonus and spikes/Hightower would be way more effective. The problem is that it likely negates or limits chandler

Edit: for the chandler reason the only reason I think it's even remotely possible is because chandler dropped back in some zone blitz plays last year. But then again wilfork has in the past as well.

In the 43 over belichick tried to use with Shaun Ellis it's pretty much a pseudo 34 anyways.

What about a 4-3 under with Wilfork and Kelly at DT, Jones on the weak side at DE, Armstead/Deaderick on the strong side at DE, Hightower at SLB, Spikes at MLB, and Mayo at will? If you were trying to accomplish something resembling a 3-4 without taking Jones out of his element, it seems like that may be the way to go.

 

[JackBauer]

Jerod Mayo is the best of the bunch and loves to tackle everyone 5-10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage AFTER they have caught the ball. That is all I need to know.

You made a dumb statement. Own it, or move on.

 

[Brady2Moss]

You made a dumb statement. Own it, or move on.

Wait so you get to judge what is and isn't a dumb statement? Oh ok then I will say your statement isn't true and that you should own that it was dumb or move on

Please tell me what makes them anything but brutal in pass coverage?

 

[JackBauer]

Wait so you get to judge what is and isn't a dumb statement? Oh ok then I will say your statement isn't true and that you should own that it was dumb or move on

Please tell me what makes them anything but brutal in pass coverage?

Mayo is not "brutal" in pass coverage. If you think so, you can own it, and subject yourself to ridicule, or slink away and move on. Your choice.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Mayo is not "brutal" in pass coverage. If you think so, you can own it, and subject yourself to ridicule, or slink away and move on. Your choice.

NE against RB and TE in pass coverage were 23 and 29 according to an article posted by a user here. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Why are they so bad against positions typically covered by linebackers? Maybe because the group is brutal in pass coverage like I said.

Mayo is mediocre at best if you want to feel all fuzzy about his skills, coupled with the fact that he is by far the best one on the team, results in a brutal group of linebackers in pass coverage.

I'll move on now though because you'll respond with nothing but snarky remarks thinking you are right despite evidence to the contrary.

 

[JackBauer]

NE against RB and TE in pass coverage were 23 and 29 according to an article posted by a user here. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Why are they so bad against positions typically covered by linebackers? Maybe because the group is brutal in pass coverage like I said.

Mayo is mediocre at best if you want to feel all fuzzy about his skills, coupled with the fact that he is by far the best one on the team, results in a brutal group of linebackers in pass coverage.

I'll move on now though because you'll respond with nothing but telling me I should be ridiculed for stating what is obvious on the tape.

And now you're moving the goalposts, as expected. Shocking!

Love to see that article. Wanna go ahead and post it?

 

[Get it shawtaay]

Mayo is not "brutal" in pass coverage. If you think so, you can own it, and subject yourself to ridicule, or slink away and move on. Your choice.

The problem is that some people don't watch football outside the Patriots, haven't watched football outside of the BB-era Patriots, and lack the perspective to understand what "good pass coverage" actually is. Call it the "He got beat once! What a clown!" crowd.

Did you see Patrick Willis get roasted with his head turned in that Saints-49ers epic for an 80 yard touchdown? Mayo gets beat sometimes and breaks up/defends passes sometimes. That puts him in the "good" category, and in the "very good" category for players with his downhill/sideline to sideline skillset. If you don't think so you probably don't watch enough of other teams games.

 

[Brady2Moss]

The problem is that some people don't watch football outside the Patriots, haven't watched football outside of the BB-era Patriots, and lack the perspective to understand what "good pass coverage" actually is. Call it the "He got beat once! What a clown!" crowd.

Did you see Patrick Willis get roasted with his head turned in that Saints-49ers epic for an 80 yard touchdown? Mayo gets beat sometimes and breaks up/defends passes sometimes. That puts him in the "good" category, and in the "very good" category for players with his downhill/sideline to sideline skillset. If you don't think so you probably don't watch enough of other teams games.

3 passes defensed last year. He's mediocre headlining a group of brutal. Good tackler that makes a few plays against the dregs of the AFC east

 

[JackBauer]

The problem is that some people don't watch football outside the Patriots, haven't watched football outside of the BB-era Patriots, and lack the perspective to understand what "good pass coverage" actually is. Call it the "He got beat once! What a clown!" crowd.

Did you see Patrick Willis get roasted with his head turned in that Saints-49ers epic for an 80 yard touchdown? Mayo gets beat sometimes and breaks up/defends passes sometimes. That puts him in the "good" category, and in the "very good" category for players with his downhill/sideline to sideline skillset. If you don't think so you probably don't watch enough of other teams games.

Yup, this is spot on. IMO it has as much to do with lousy safety play as it does anything else.

 

[JackBauer]

3 passes defensed last year. He's mediocre headlining a group of brutal. Good tackler that makes a few plays against the dregs of the AFC east

Spikes had like 7 PD. What a stud.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Spikes had like 7 PD. What a stud.

Only brought up PD because the guy said Mayo breaks up passes, which he doesn't. Nice cherry pick. Goodnight.

 

[Brady2Moss]

And now you're moving the goalposts, as expected. Shocking!

Love to see that article. Wanna go ahead and post it?

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2012 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS

Not moving anything I threw you a bone by saying you can call him mediocre if you really want to, I still think he's brutal. Hilarious how you have yet to post anything to the contrary

 

[JackBauer]

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2012 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS

Not moving anything I threw you a bone by saying you can call him mediocre if you really want to, I still think he's brutal. Hilarious how you have yet to post anything to the contrary

Nothing you've shown has indicated Mayo is "brutal" in pass coverage, and I'm pretty sure most posters here would disagree with you on that assessment.

But by all means, stake out another position where you're the lone guy out an island. It's nothing if not amusing.

 

[JackBauer]

Only brought up PD because the guy said Mayo breaks up passes, which he doesn't. Nice cherry pick. Goodnight.

I'm not cherry picking. I'm illustrating your statistical dumbassery for what it is.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Nothing you've shown has indicated Mayo is "brutal" in pass coverage, and I'm pretty sure most posters here would disagree with you on that assessment.

But by all means, stake out another position where you're the lone guy out an island. It's nothing if not amusing.

I don't really care if other posters think Mayo is great at pass coverage, the original point was the entire group is brutal which that link demonstrates pretty clearly. Funny how you think its amusing to have opinions that contradict the majority, seems like a pretty clueless way to think but I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

I'm not cherry picking. I'm illustrating your statistical dumbassery for what it is.

It isn't "statistical dumbassery" when I never used it to say Mayo is brutal I used it to refute the point made by the poster I was responding to saying Mayo deflects passes when he actually doesn't. It is separate from my view that Mayo and the entire group of LBs suck at pass coverage, because I know PD is not everything that makes a good coverage LB. The passes defensed statistic is fairly important when claiming a linebacker defends passes though.

 

[Get it shawtaay]

I don't really care if other posters think Mayo is great at pass coverage, the original point was the entire group is brutal which that link demonstrates pretty clearly. Funny how you think its amusing to have opinions that contradict the majority, seems like a pretty clueless way to think but I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

PFF placed Jerod Mayo beneath Patrick Willis, Lawrence Timmons, D'Qwell Jackson, Brian Urlacher, and Sean Lee, and ahead of Sean Weatherspoon, Lavonte David, Kevin Burnett, KJ Wright, and Chad Greenway. Horrible I tell ya.