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Wow what a bunch of haters. People today are ignorant and uneducated. I hope Brady wins 2 more, and then it will be spyware again! Lol
 
Trying to steal signals is nothing new in the NFL. All teams have advance scouts who watch and log opponents' personnel groupings and record the signals they see from the sideline. The Patriots, however, took things to another level with their videotaping of opposing coaches.

The speed of the game makes it hard for a scout to pay attention to everything going on, and between personnel, formations, play calls, special-teams alignments and sub packages on both offense and defense, a scout has no chance of getting everything about every play down on paper. Having all that information on video would certainly make it easier to connect the dots and compare notes.

In the video released by the NFL, it is apparent that Matt Walsh's taping skills improved with time. In the earliest videotape handed over (Patriots-Dolphins in September 2000), Walsh focused only on the coach who sent in the personnel grouping, but that alone wouldn't have offered any extra advantage because an advance scout can do the same thing with pen and paper. In 2001, though, Walsh was able to film home games against Buffalo and Cleveland from an end-zone view that allowed him to first show field position, followed by down and distance, then defensive signals and finally the actual play. Having that information in sequence on one tape certainly makes it easier to connect the dots between everything that's happening.

However, these videotapes likely were not used to make in-game adjustments because there simply is not enough time during game action and a 12-minute halftime to decipher and decode what those tapes contain. At halftime coaches and personnel staff are barely able to get a drink, use the restroom and relay to players the most basic things they saw in the first half, before the team heads back onto the field. Where the advantage lies is in the time it takes to prepare for the next game against the particular opponent being filmed: What would normally require watching and splicing hours of tape was already done in one fell swoop during a previous game.

If Scouts Inc. were running the scouting department of an NFL team, this kind of video would allow us to chart tendencies, personnel variations and play calls in a shorter time. Answers to questions about the opposing team would appear more quickly. What's important to remember, though, is that teams eventually glean this kind of information from film study anyway: The video in question would simply be a shortcut in a process that is already under way. There is an advantage, but it is minimal.

And based on what the league released, there seems to be little X's-and-O's information that would tip the scales unfairly. Again, going only on what is seen in the Walsh tapes, it is doubtful Scouts Inc. would be able to give our team information that advance scouts had not already provided. For example, if a team shows a two-deep pass coverage in its pre-snap defensive look, the inclination for the offense is to audible out of a pass into a run. There is the chance that one safety will cheat to the line at the last second, but that is something advance scouting and previous film study of the opponent against other teams would already have revealed. Therefore, this kind of video would not be essential to revealing that disguised coverage.

The tape Walsh made of Cleveland in 2001 is the highest-quality segment we saw, and even that video would afford a group of scouts only a small advantage. They might be able to identify when a particular zone-fire or coverage is coming and check off at the line, but again, that is something that would have been apparent anyway thanks to the kind of due diligence NFL teams employ when preparing for opponents. The advantage is even slighter when talking about division rivals because the Patriots and every other team have two chances per season to study and chart each team in their division.

We don't know for sure whether more tapes ever existed in New England, or how these tapes were broken down and used. But after reviewing the material released by the league, this much is clear: We saw nothing in that video that would allow us as a scouting department to provide a team with an unfair advantage over an opponent.

Yes, preparation time was reduced and film study was streamlined, but not in a way that single-handedly turned the Patriots into one of the premier teams in the league. In the end, the Patriots' success comes down to having better players who make full use of the information provided to them.

Spygate tapes simply streamlined the scouting process - NFL - ESPN
 
The NFLN allows Warner and Faulk to spew this crap over and over again with no apparent obligation to present an opposing opinion. The only conclusion one can arrive at is that the league believes they're correct. In addition, the universal lack of a vigorous denial/defense from anyone, particularly former Patriots players and/or team officials, would seem to represent tacit agreement with the accusers. Neutral observers can only conclude that Kraft, Belichick and the rest are either gutless or guilty.
 
Wow what a bunch of haters. People today are ignorant and uneducated. I hope Brady wins 2 more, and then it will be spyware again! Lol
Their ignorance is allowed to flourish due to our franchise's unwillingness or inability to defend itself. If you won't defend yourself, you can't expect anyone to do it for you.
 
The NFLN allows Warner and Faulk to spew this crap over and over again with no apparent obligation to present an opposing opinion. The only conclusion one can arrive at is that the league believes they're correct. In addition, the universal lack of a vigorous denial/defense from anyone, particularly former Patriots players and/or team officials, would seem to represent tacit agreement with the accusers. Neutral observers can only conclude that Kraft, Belichick and the rest are either gutless or guilty.

A. it makes for good ratings to have an evil empire and play to the preconceptions of 80% of the country

B. What part of NFLn don't you understand. Let me rephrase the name of the network for you the: 'Dont-make-the-commish-look-bad Network'. His own network is NOT going to go out and point out how fraudulent, petty, and outrageous his decisions in regard to this were.
 
The NFLN allows Warner and Faulk to spew this crap over and over again with no apparent obligation to present an opposing opinion. The only conclusion one can arrive at is that the league believes they're correct. In addition, the universal lack of a vigorous denial/defense from anyone, particularly former Patriots players and/or team officials, would seem to represent tacit agreement with the accusers. Neutral observers can only conclude that Kraft, Belichick and the rest are either gutless or guilty.

Nothing but sore losers. They don't want to blame themselves for taking the 'inferior' pats to lightly and losing to them, so its much easier on the ego to say the pats must have cheated. FVK um, i hope it keeps knawing on them
 
NFL network has not been worth watching since adam schefter, left
 
yeah, the rams never taped signals. whatever. let them cry all they want. makes the win that much sweeter.
 
The NFLN allows Warner and Faulk to spew this crap over and over again with no apparent obligation to present an opposing opinion. The only conclusion one can arrive at is that the league believes they're correct. In addition, the universal lack of a vigorous denial/defense from anyone, particularly former Patriots players and/or team officials, would seem to represent tacit agreement with the accusers. Neutral observers can only conclude that Kraft, Belichick and the rest are either gutless or guilty.

Maybe there's another (or another 20) conclusion to come to.How about concluding that the penalty would have been far more harsh had they vigorously denied the charges? Maybe their response or lack thereof was part of a deal that put the Pats under a gag order in exchange for allowing BB to coach? And do you seriously think it's in BB's nature to go on tv and bring his case to the public?
I can see why people like Warner and Faulk won't let this die, but I'm mystified as to why supposed PatsFans like yourself keep stirring the ch!t.
 
Maybe there's another (or another 20) conclusion to come to.How about concluding that the penalty would have been far more harsh had they vigorously denied the charges? Maybe their response or lack thereof was part of a deal that put the Pats under a gag order in exchange for allowing BB to coach? And do you seriously think it's in BB's nature to go on tv and bring his case to the public?
I can see why people like Warner and Faulk won't let this die, but I'm mystified as to why supposed PatsFans like yourself keep stirring the ch!t.
I'm not stirring anything. What I am is pissed off, and I'll continue to be pissed off, that this franchise has left its self-proclaimed most valued commodity, its fans, holding the effing bag when other teams' fans everywhere call the team a collection of cheating frauds. If you think not talking about this episode when it's brought up will somehow magically make it go away, your head is in the sand.
 
Their ignorance is allowed to flourish due to our franchise's unwillingness or inability to defend itself. If you won't defend yourself, you can't expect anyone to do it for you.

You're absolutely right. The Saints came out swinging in response to a controversy that, at the time, was blown up just as much as SpyGate was. BountyGate was also a lot more recent. Now ask yourself this: when was the last time you even heard anything about BountyGate?
 
The blame for the sackless conduct by the Pats rests solely on Bob Kraft. His business style is conciliation and compromise. Here we see how it plays out for us fans as outside of NE we're perpetually castigated as cheaters by fans across the country. It was BB's mess but Kraft cleaned it up. Went way overboard in the process for the so-called good of the league.
 
Two things I always bring up about the Rams.

1. Someone was taping Patriots practice from a hotel window prior to the Super Bowl. NFL security saw it but the person was gone when they went to investigate.

2. During the Rams' walkthrough, they only practiced red zone plays. Guess what? The Patriots never stopped the Rams in the red zone in the Super Bowl.
 
The blame for the sackless conduct by the Pats rests solely on Bob Kraft. His business style is conciliation and compromise. Here we see how it plays out for us fans as outside of NE we're perpetually castigated as cheaters by fans across the country. It was BB's mess but Kraft cleaned it up. Went way overboard in the process for the so-called good of the league.

Yup. It would have been ridiculously easy to hammer the haters and the media about that one. Instead, the team just took it and still, six years later, we're still hearing about it.
 
I think the Rams cheated. Ok, where is my article at?

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The Rams owner didn't pay off the mobsters off enough.

Your article is right here.

Halfway through practice, Patriots' linebackers coach Pepper Johnson noticed something in a third-floor window of a house next to the field.

Club and league officials said a telescope was clearly visible in the window, according to a pool report, and that 15 minutes later, a person appeared at the window, and then vanished.

My memory may be off, but I believe the overwhelming reaction to that story (note that it's not even the headline of the article) was a shrug of the shoulders, even among Patriots fans. As far as I know, the league never investigated that incident, beyond using binoculars to look at the house. And outside of this article, I don't remember any crusading journalists expounding on the situation.

We all know Marshall Faulk doesn't hide his dislike for the Patriots and his theories about SB36, but, in a way, I think Warner is just as bad. Warner has the reputation as a "good guy," not only for his faith but for winning a NFL Man of the Year award. But this classy, high-character, role model type of guy can never seem to just say "It's disappointing, but we just got outplayed that day" and move on. He's always got to work in his "doubts" or "questions." And he brings them up as often as Faulk does.

As far as refuting the story, one thing I wish someone (former player, media person w/o a grudge) would do is question the Rams' version of the walkthrough. We heard a few months ago how Barrett Robbins from the Raiders flipped out in part because Callahan changed the game plan a few days before the SB. The Rams want everyone to believe that, the day before the game, in front of friends, family, and media members, and on a field with risers on it for a team picture, Martz & Co. introduced a package of brand new plays and formations that they had never used before. And the team mastered these new schemes in that brief session enough that everyone felt confident in using them the next day in one of the biggest games in their careers. It just doesn't add up.
 
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Their ignorance is allowed to flourish due to our franchise's unwillingness or inability to defend itself. If you won't defend yourself, you can't expect anyone to do it for you.

Yeah but I believe the pats organization is taking the high road. Because guaranteed something would have been twisted by the media. We just have to accept the fact that we are the most hated team but our success has almost been mirrored. Minus 2 lucky plays we are 5-0 in SB's in the Brady era. Main point is if we can have a good d we have a offense that can score points. But putting the whole pressure on Brady to direct a O against the best D and not have a d to stop the other teams O.
 
I have an alternate theory. The Rams weren't good enough on that day.
 
Your article is right here.



My memory may be off, but I believe the overwhelming reaction to that story (note that it's not even the headline of the article) was a shrug of the shoulders, even among Patriots fans. As far as I know, the league never investigated that incident, beyond using binoculars to look at the house. And outside of this article, I don't remember any crusading journalists expounding on the situation.

We all know Marshall Faulk doesn't hide his dislike for the Patriots and his theories about SB36, but, in a way, I think Warner is just as bad. Warner has the reputation as a "good guy," not only for his faith but for winning a NFL Man of the Year award. But this classy, high-character, role model type of guy can never seem to just say "It's disappointing, but we just got outplayed that day" and move on. He's always got to work in his "doubts" or "questions." And he brings them up as often as Faulk does.

As far as refuting the story, one thing I wish someone (former player, media person w/o a grudge) would do is question the Rams' version of the walkthrough. We heard a few months ago how Barrett Robbins from the Raiders flipped out in part because Callahan changed the game plan a few days before the SB. The Rams want everyone to believe that, the day before the game, in front of friends, family, and media members, and on a field with risers on it for a team picture, Martz & Co. introduced a package of brand new plays and formations that they had never used before. And the team mastered these new schemes in that brief session enough that everyone felt confident in using them the next day in one of the biggest games in their careers. It just doesn't add up.

They are already on record, the Rams only practiced red zone plays. That means that even if Walsh made a tape, it had no impact on the game.
 
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