Julian Edelman visiting Giants

[DocHoliday]

Edelman will produce if he signs anywhere. The 'JAG' and 'china' crowd are deluded.

He's seemingly injured every year, except when he's defending Anquan Boldin better than Marquice Cole, a real CB in 2011's AFCCG.

And while he may not be Wes Welker, he's certainly no JAG either.

 

[supafly]

Expect much gnashing of teeth around here if he signs there for a reasonable contract.

I think the writing has been on the wall for a couple of weeks now, due to the contractual window being rather small. It's not like he's asking for several million dollars a year and NE was only willing to sign him on the league minimum. There can't be too much of a huge gap in potential compensation, but as we already know every penny counts.

I would have preferred to have him stay to return punts (rather than see Amendola do it) and backup our slot/short passing option in case Amendola goes down for a few games or more. The cost would not have been much, and he still provides valuable insurance and ST ability. Apparently Bill Belichick does not agree with me and sees those positions as already being taken.

Anyone who honestly and sincerely felt that both Llyod and Edelman would have "zero interest" and would end up coming back to Foxborough begging for their NFL careers was either an insane homer, ignorant, or part of both. I'm all for either one of them coming back for different reasons, but the honest to God's chances of them both suddenly crawling back here were astronomically slim...

 

[Deus Irae]

Edelman will produce if he signs anywhere. The 'JAG' and 'china' crowd are deluded.

History has already proven otherwise.

He's seemingly injured every year, except when he's defending Anquan Boldin better than Marquice Cole, a real CB in 2011's AFCCG.

No, he's seemingly injured every year. His game totals verify that.

11
15
13
9

And while he may not be Wes Welker, he's certainly no JAG either.

69 receptions in 4 seasons. That's just over 17 receptions a year. Sam Aiken caught more than that in 2009, so let's not act as if JE's been anything more than a JAG outside of special teams, because he hasn't.

I wish him well in his future endeavors, be they in New England or elsewhere, but pretending he's been more than he's been does nobody any good.

 

[supafly]

Edelman will produce if he signs anywhere. The 'JAG' and 'china' crowd are deluded.

He's seemingly injured every year, except when he's defending Anquan Boldin better than Marquice Cole, a real CB in 2011's AFCCG.

And while he may not be Wes Welker, he's certainly no JAG either.

Like most issues, the truth always lies in the middle.

He certainly isn't a very good outside receiver as some make him out to be. That said, he probably isn't as low as a JAG either and does have potential and talent in the punt return game, for gadget plays, and as a backup to Amendola.

Either way it doesn't matter because Belichick obviously doesn't agree with him coming back for too much money--if at all...and that has been more than apparent now for awhile.

 

[Jimke]

Neither Edelman nor Lloyd are A-1 wide receivers. The trouble is Belichick
does not have any adequate replacements. At this late date, it is unlikely
they will be replaced by a veteran free agent and BB has had no success
for 10 years in drafting a good one.

It is interesting that the coaching staff was effusive in their praise of Edelman.

 

[Avenger]

If they don't resign Edelman I'll be pissed.

 

[DocHoliday]

No, he's seemingly injured every year. His game totals verify that.

11
15
13
9

There's 'Dowling' seemingly injured every year, and standard fare ST player injured here and there every year.

69 receptions in 4 seasons. That's just over 17 receptions a year. Sam Aiken caught more than that in 2009, so let's not act as if JE's been anything more than a JAG outside of special teams, because he hasn't.

Last I heard, ST play was pretty important. We signed a specialist KR. Edelman is one of the best PR in the game.

I wish him well in his future endeavors, be they in New England or elsewhere, but pretending he's been more than he's been does nobody any good.

Whatever your evaluations of him, I'm not confident his replacement will be anywhere as good.

 

[mgteich]

I agree that it would good to re-sign Edelman. However, it is Washington who will return kicks and punts as he did last year.

I would have preferred to have him stay to return punts (rather than see Amendola do it) and backup our slot/short passing option in case Amendola goes down for a few games or more. The cost would not have been much, and he still provides valuable insurance and ST ability. Apparently Bill Belichick does not agree with me and sees those positions and already being taken.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Perhaps because, seemingly every season, the guy shatters like a flower dipped in liquid nitrogen and then banged on the ground?

I like what Edes can bring to the Pats in STs and versatility. Hate to lose a charter member of The Glass Menagerie.

 

[RIpats88]

if we had an adequate replacement I woulndt really care if Edelman left.

but right now we have JAGs like Jones/Jenkins as our #2 WR

and lets not act like Belichick always knows what he is doing with positions...2011 with Safety is a solid example...of bill cutting any "semi decent" safety on the team and filling the position with JAGs and UDFA

if amendola/gronk/hernandez stay healthy a whole season and a drafted WR has a solid rookie year with 500-600yards 3-4TDs then we'll be fine...but that seems like asking alot

 

[ctpatsfan77]

What? You mean we aren't getting BOTH Edelman and Llyod to come crawling back? There are actually other NFL teams who may be interested in their services on the cheap? I'm shocked I tell you...

Snark aside, clearly there hasn't been a ton of interest, or they would have already signed large contracts.

FWIW, I'm guessing that one way or the other, Edelman will have signed with somebody by this time next week. I just hope it's the Patriots.

 

[RayClay]

I agree that it would good to re-sign Edelman. However, it is Washington who will return kicks and punts as he did last year.

Why wouldn't they let the better PR compete for the job?

 

[supafly]

Snark aside, clearly there hasn't been a ton of interest, or they would have already signed large contracts.

FWIW, I'm guessing that one way or the other, Edelman will have signed with somebody by this time next week. I just hope it's the Patriots.

I don't think anyone expected any sort of "large contracts," but there are plenty of other NFL teams who may be interested in signing a proven vet like Llyod on a cheap and reasonable deal, especially with the roster expansion in TC to 90 players recently.

I fail to see why so many are making an assumption that there won't be any interest because it's 3 weeks into FA and they haven't found a home yet?

By that reasoning, I actually think that there could be a much more realistic case of Belichick simply not wanting either one based on the fact that there hasn't been one hint to the contrary--so it works both ways.

Like I said, I don't find it unreasonable to feel that ONE of these players may be retained, but I don't understand why so many are assuming that both players won't find interest by the end of August and somehow be forced to crawling back with their tails between their legs. The odds of that happening are extremely low.

 

[supafly]

However, it is Washington who will return kicks and punts as he did last year.

Not sure why'd you would assume that Washington will return both KR and PR duties, especially since Amendola has also done both in his career and has a PR average that is higher than L.Washington in that regard.

I would think the odds are pretty good that we'll definitely be seeing both players on return duties this season.

Why wouldn't they let the better PR compete for the job?

They certainly will.

 

[Ring 6]

Edelman will produce if he signs anywhere. The 'JAG' and 'china' crowd are deluded.

He's seemingly injured every year, except when he's defending Anquan Boldin better than Marquice Cole, a real CB in 2011's AFCCG.

And while he may not be Wes Welker, he's certainly no JAG either.

If you don't think Edelman is a JAG, you don't know what JAG means

 

[50-yard-line]

I don't want Edelman anywhere but here. I think this guy has lots of upside. I understand Welker and the ego issues back and forth. Don't like it, but I understand it.

I understand Danny Woodhead - guessing he wanted more touches and he wouldn't get that here. Hate to see him go, but I want Vereen to get more touches.

But Edelmen should be cheap to retain and he's worth it, in my opinion.

Also, I don't want Amendola returning punts, anymore than I wanted Welker returning them last year.

 

[supafly]

I don't want Edelman anywhere but here. I think this guy has lots of upside. I understand Welker and the ego issues back and forth. Don't like it, but I understand it.

I understand Danny Woodhead - guessing he wanted more touches and he wouldn't get that here. Hate to see him go, but I want Vereen to get more touches.

But Edelmen should be cheap to retain and he's worth it, in my opinion.

Also, I don't want Amendola returning punts, anymore than I wanted Welker returning them last year.

I think it's probably a lot more of Bill Belichick's individual assessment of specific players, which has a lot to do with value and cost.

If Edelman didn't accept the Patriots offer (if there even was one, which is highly debatable), Belichick isn't likely to come up any.

I think that was the case with Woodhead. He isn't necessarily going to see any more touches in SD than he did here. He caught 40 balls here last season and has averaged about 400+ yds rushing every season here. It's not like he's going to suddenly be the lead back in SD. He'll be used in the same way. If anything, there's a strong argument that he'll see less touches, based on our hurry up factor.

It was all about Belichick's offer + value in Welker and Woodhead's case, and that's likely going to be the same with every single player including Julian Edelman. My question is whether or not Belichick gave him any kind of an offer or not, but we'll likely never know.

 

[supafly]

if we had an adequate replacement I woulndt really care if Edelman left.

but right now we have JAGs like Jones/Jenkins as our #2 WR

I'm not worried in the slightest about losing Edelman and his 17 catches or whatever the number was last season. It isn't like he's really going to contribute that much as an actual WR, and that is likely the reason why Belichick hasn't chosen to bring him back.

We already have KR and PR duty taken up with both Washington and Amendola who have done both return duties throughout their careers.

I'm much more concerned with losing him for a backup to Amendola and his ST ability--but there's a good argument that Belichick doesn't see reason to have him take up another roster spot.

That reason would actually be the crappy talent that he brings as an actual WR. There's no doubt that both of the players you've listed in Jenkins/Jones are better all around receivers than Julian Edelman. I would however, like him to stay for the "other" reasons and things that he brings to the team which include gadget plays/PR/and a potential backup for DA if and when he goes down.

 

[hwc]

Do we know if Edelman will even be able to pass a physical after breaking his foot? Foot injuries are notorious for being really dicey in terms of recovery. They can be effectively career-ending. Lots of tiny bones held in place by a network of ligaments, complex structure, massive forces applied while running and cutting.

Or, it could be a case of guy worth it for special teams and JAG backup duty on a cheap free agent rookie contract not being worth it so much on a NFL veteran contract.

 

[YearbookCurfew]

As much as I like Julian, I just don't think he has a place on our roster. Don't get me wrong, he is a tough and scrappy player, I just think we need someone taller.