The reason why Marquise Hill is still on this team

[midwestpatsfan]

Easy answer:
6'6" 300 lbs.

You just do not find guys with that size very often. I know that Hill has not done anything to warrant a spot on the roster, but he came out of school early and is very young and raw. I have no idea if the coaches have seen enough progress for him to stick around any longer, but I imagine that they will keep him around if they think he could help out long term. Guys with his size and the potential he showed in college are hard to come by,and with more teams going to a 3-4, keeping them is very important.

I for one would like to see his name show up more this offseason as someone who is making some big steps in his progression, or I think it is time to free up that spot on the roster for someone else.

 

[maverick4]

Keep him. It took Ty Warren a few years to get going, too. Plus, Hill just hasn't had a chance to play with the talent in front of him.

 

[pats1]

Great, let's free up the roster spot for someone who will do the same exact thing as Marquise.

What the **** do you expect Marquise to do? Beat out Seymour and Warren for the starting spots? Steal playing time from them? He's the prime example of why drafting the best player available, not for need, isn't always the best.

Give me a break.

 

[patsox23]

I don't see why his size is such a big deal. I'M* 6'6"* 300*, and I don't have a shot at making the roster.




*lie.

 

[Oswlek]

Great, let's free up the roster spot for someone who will do the same exact thing as Marquise.

What the **** do you expect Marquise to do? Beat out Seymour and Warren for the starting spots? Steal playing time from them? He's the prime example of why drafting the best player available, not for need, isn't always the best.

Give me a break.

I fully backed this reasoning for the first couple years, but the truth is unavoidable, now. Hill is a waste.

In the past two years (Hill's 2nd and 3rd) Wilfork, Seymour and Warren have all missed time. Green has also had some injury issues. In spite of this, Hill has been glued to the bench.

I mean, an undrafted rookie stepped in an played more his rookie year than Hill did in both years combined. Yes Wright has filled in on the nose and that is not Hill's position, but I would be willing to bet that Wright played more at DE in the final 6 games of the season than Hill did in both years.

On top of all of this circumstancial evidence, Hill has looked ungodly terrible just about every time he takes the field.

Unless Hill makes a remarkable 4th year leap he is gone from this team. It isn't just an issue of being behind guys, he isn't any good.

 

[Oswlek]

Keep him. It took Ty Warren a few years to get going, too. Plus, Hill just hasn't had a chance to play with the talent in front of him.

Warren was solidly in the rotation by the playoffs of his rookie year.

He started every game of his second season.

There is no comparison.

 

[Jimke]

This should be the decision year for Hill. If he can't be productive

this year , he should be cut. Next year is his last year and then on to

free agency.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I fully backed this reasoning for the first couple years, but the truth is unavoidable, now. Hill is a waste.

In the past two years (Hill's 2nd and 3rd) Wilfork, Seymour and Warren have all missed time. Green has also had some injury issues. In spite of this, Hill has been glued to the bench.

I mean, an undrafted rookie stepped in an played more his rookie year than Hill did in both years combined. Yes Wright has filled in on the nose and that is not Hill's position, but I would be willing to bet that Wright played more at DE in the final 6 games of the season than Hill did in both years.

On top of all of this circumstancial evidence, Hill has looked ungodly terrible just about every time he takes the field.

Unless Hill makes a remarkable 4th year leap he is gone from this team. It isn't just an issue of being behind guys, he isn't any good.

What he said.
Hill is perennially inactive.
I watched him every summer in camp. He does not persue the play. Lazy.
When he DID play against the Jets in 2006, (we were desperate Warren was out and Sey just coming off his injury and ineffective) he got pulled (for Wright) after just a few plays where he simply danced with the OT as the runner blew by.

There are many 6'6" college players who don't even get a tryout in the pros.
Saban screwed Belichick geting him to waste a 2nd round pick on Hill.

And speaking of bad 2nd round picks...nah, forget it!

 

[maverick4]

So Saban lied to Belichick to make himself look good (send another of his kids to the NFL)??

 

[Rob0729]

Sorry, Hill had his shot and he failed. He wasn't even making the active roster every week. It was his third year in the league and he couldn't even make it to the active roster as a back up. He would have been long gone if he wasn't a second round pick. I think his draft status won't save him from being cut before the final 53 man roster is set in September. We will probably keep him into training camp though since we have plenty of cap space.

 

[dhamz]

Great, let's free up the roster spot for someone who will do the same exact thing as Marquise.

What the **** do you expect Marquise to do? Beat out Seymour and Warren for the starting spots? Steal playing time from them? He's the prime example of why drafting the best player available, not for need, isn't always the best.

Give me a break.

Then how do you explain Wright earning playing time over the past 2 seasons ahead of Hill at end? The idea that he hasn't gotten on the field solely because of who is in front of him is not the case.

 

[Oswlek]

What he said.
Hill is perennially inactive.
I watched him every summer in camp. He does not persue the play. Lazy.
When he DID play against the Jets in 2006, (we were desperate Warren was out and Sey just coming off his injury and ineffective) he got pulled (for Wright) after just a few plays where he simply danced with the OT as the runner blew by.

There are many 6'6" college players who don't even get a tryout in the pros.
Saban screwed Belichick geting him to waste a 2nd round pick on Hill.

And speaking of bad 2nd round picks...nah, forget it!

Hill was in on two plays, both long runs right at his side, when NE was trying to give the DL some rest in the TN game. They had to replace him immediately with Warren.

6' 6'' 300lb bodies aren't that hard to find. And there is a good chance that another might actually get in the way on occasion.

 

[Keegs]

The only reason he is on this team is to be the Bodyguard of LeKevin Smith.

LeKevin Smith does not do his own dirty work. That is for damn sure.

God i hope they don't cut LeKevin Smith, if they do i'm screwed.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Hill was in on two plays, both long runs right at his side, when NE was trying to give the DL some rest in the TN game. They had to replace him immediately with Warren.

6' 6'' 300lb bodies aren't that hard to find. And there is a good chance that another might actually get in the way on occasion.

Yah, I TiVoed those plays, replayed them and noticed his 'dance' routine there too. Interestingly, on the very next play I recall that WARREN screwed up and let another long run go by. But no more.

 

[Remix 6]

dont compare him to Warren. Green is a backup aswell..he gets his roation in behind the same talent Hill would

 

[Oswlek]

Yah, I TiVoed those plays, replayed them and noticed his 'dance' routine there too. Interestingly, on the very next play I recall that WARREN screwed up and let another long run go by. But no more.

You recall correctly.

(Assuming I recall correctly, that is. )

 

[pats1]

I fully backed this reasoning for the first couple years, but the truth is unavoidable, now. Hill is a waste.

In the past two years (Hill's 2nd and 3rd) Wilfork, Seymour and Warren have all missed time. Green has also had some injury issues. In spite of this, Hill has been glued to the bench.

I mean, an undrafted rookie stepped in an played more his rookie year than Hill did in both years combined. Yes Wright has filled in on the nose and that is not Hill's position, but I would be willing to bet that Wright played more at DE in the final 6 games of the season than Hill did in both years.

On top of all of this circumstancial evidence, Hill has looked ungodly terrible just about every time he takes the field.

Unless Hill makes a remarkable 4th year leap he is gone from this team. It isn't just an issue of being behind guys, he isn't any good.

He hasn't played a real game since college. It's tough to "be good" when you simply haven't played.

 

[Oswlek]

He hasn't played a real game since college. It's tough to "be good" when you simply haven't played.

I am of the opinion that he hasn't played *because* he hasn't been good.

I guess we just disagree on what is the cause and what is the result.

 

[pats1]

Then how do you explain Wright earning playing time over the past 2 seasons ahead of Hill at end? The idea that he hasn't gotten on the field solely because of who is in front of him is not the case.

Hill was injured last year at times, IIRC. Perfect opportunity for Wright to leap-frog him.

 

[pats1]

Think of it this way:

-Any player the Pats replace Marquise with will do the exact same thing as he does: be inactive nearly every week. With Warren and Seymour and Green, there simply isn't a need for him.

-Would you rather have a 2nd round draft pick with potential filling your emergency role or someone along the lines of Eddie Freeman or Santonio Thomas?