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CC rule change ... Changes to the Tuck Rule. If in the passing motion attempts to bring ball back, loses that ball, it's a fumble.
Haters will have fun with this. Yay.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
CC rule change ... Changes to the Tuck Rule. If in the passing motion attempts to bring ball back, loses that ball, it's a fumble.
Haters will have fun with this. Yay.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
CC rule change ... Changes to the Tuck Rule. If in the passing motion attempts to bring ball back, loses that ball, it's a fumble.
Haters will have fun with this. Yay.
What exactly does that mean? How is that any different from the current rule?
Right now if the QB brings the ball back to throw and loses it before his hand starts to move forward, it's a fumble. Once the hand starts moving forward it's an incomplete pass. How is the above any different?
Or is what Breer is trying to say is that if you bring the ball back, start moving the arm forward, do not tuck, and then bring the ball back again to "reload" and lose it on the way back it is a fumble? (I believe right now that you can "reload" all you want and it is never a fumble unless the ball is tucked back to the body before the reload).
What exactly does that mean? How is that any different from the current rule?
Right now if the QB brings the ball back to throw and loses it before his hand starts to move forward, it's a fumble. Once the hand starts moving forward it's an incomplete pass. How is the above any different?
Or is what Breer is trying to say is that if you bring the ball back, start moving the arm forward, do not tuck, and then bring the ball back again to "reload" and lose it on the way back it is a fumble? (I believe right now that you can "reload" all you want and it is never a fumble unless the ball is tucked back to the body before the reload).
No, no, no. The moment the forward arm movement stops...it's a fumble.
It was always that way.
What exactly does that mean? How is that any different from the current rule?
Right now if the QB brings the ball back to throw and loses it before his hand starts to move forward, it's a fumble. Once the hand starts moving forward it's an incomplete pass. How is the above any different?
Or is what Breer is trying to say is that if you bring the ball back, start moving the arm forward, do not tuck, and then bring the ball back again to "reload" and lose it on the way back it is a fumble? (I believe right now that you can "reload" all you want and it is never a fumble unless the ball is tucked back to the body before the reload).
The change will make it so a player loses possession when he tries to bring the ball back to his body. (Yes, then Tom Brady's play should have been ruled a fumble in that case.) If the passer loses control while the ball is going forward, it's still incomplete. If he loses the ball while tucking, it's a fumble.
So Rosenthal's article says
I think I have it now.
Under the current rule, a pass attempt begins when the hand starts moving forward with the ball but doesn't end until the hand basically stops moving (or if the second hand is put on the ball), even if the hand goes from moving forward to moving down. And since losing the ball during a passing attempt is an incomplete pass, any loss of possession during that entire time is an incomplete pass.
But this rule (from what little we know of it) would define an pass attempt to send when the hand stops actually moving forward, even if it keeps moving? Is that the idea?
The thing that is confusing me a bit is that I recall Tuck Rule haters (both Pats fans and non-fans) talking about how the tuck rule would let a QB keep reloading/pumping over and over again without any risk of losing the ball once the hand made the initial move forward and as long as the second hand never went to the ball.
So Rosenthal's article says
I think I have it now.
Under the current rule, a pass attempt begins when the hand starts moving forward with the ball but doesn't end until the hand basically stops moving (or if the second hand is put on the ball), even if the hand goes from moving forward to moving down. And since losing the ball during a passing attempt is an incomplete pass, any loss of possession during that entire time is an incomplete pass.
But this rule (from what little we know of it) would define an pass attempt to send when the hand stops actually moving forward, even if it keeps moving? Is that the idea?
The thing that is confusing me a bit is that I recall Tuck Rule haters (both Pats fans and non-fans) talking about how the tuck rule would let a QB keep reloading/pumping over and over again without any risk of losing the ball once the hand made the initial move forward and as long as the second hand never went to the ball.
I almost agree with this, but I think "stop" might be a little off. If it stops (for say a split second) it's still not a fumble. Only when i starts to move back up or get tucked can it be a fumble.
BTW - Before the Tuck rule, the refs had to determine the intent of the QB; was he trying to throw or not? The refs were responsible for evaluating the QBs internal thought process. Because of the Tuck rule, all they have to do was determine if the arm is going forward. It doesn't lead to perfect calls all the time - but it's much better than the alternative.