Curran: For Welker it was about ego, not money

[Bruins29]

Edelman flat out out-performed Wes Welker in training camp last year.

Yep I mentioned it earlier and its a huge factor.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

That's so subjective

It's clear McDaniels WANTED Edelman to produce more the first few games
He forced the ball to him, called specific plays for him

Only when it failed to produce big points, was Welker brought back to save the offense for the year

 

[Danger Zone]

How cute, I've got another stalker!

And yet we continue to see a ongoing pattern of posters taking umbrage at your aggressive posting style by responding in kind.

.. to which (of course) you contribute absolutely nothing to this very mysterious phenomenon.


And in before you respond with another of your "nipping at my heels" attempts to show just how disinterested your disdain for the common poster really is.

*ruff* *ruff*

 

[Deus Irae]

And yet we continue to see a ongoing pattern of posters taking umbrage at your aggressive posting style by responding in kind.

.. to which (of course) you contribute absolutely nothing to this very mysterious phenomenon.


And in before you respond with another of your "nipping at my heels" attempts to show just how disinterested your disdain for the common poster really is.

*ruff* *ruff*

I find the ankle biters and stalkers amusing, actually, because they ignore, or just don't grasp, the irony of attacking me for supposedly attacking others. Most of them don't last long, anyway.

 

[KamikazeKnight]

I find the ankle biters and stalkers amusing, actually, because they ignore, or just don't grasp, the irony of attacking me for supposedly attacking others. Most of them don't last long, anyway.

Oh, I'll be here, don't worry. So long as you continue making idiotic posts, Admin Willing, I'll be here.

I look forward to smearing your face in the success of this team in the near future. :rocker:

 

[Brady2Moss]

Oh, I'll be here, don't worry. So long as you continue making idiotic posts, Admin Willing, I'll be here.

I look forward to smearing your face in the success of this team in the near future. :rocker:

What success we are DOOOOOOMEDDD without a slot receiver. He made Brady who he is!!

 

[Metaphors]

Actually, you have your facts wrong yet again.
Amendola's deal is a 2/3 with only 10 million guaranteed compared to Welker's 12.

The first 2 years are really important since the cap won't rise significantly. $6M per must have been more than the Pats were willing to commit this year and next. Amendola's cap hits may be closer to half that number.

The only way this gets a little fishy is if the Pats don't spend to the cap this year and/or next. I assuming that won't happen. As long as Vollmer re-signs, Solder gets his deal next year and the defensive backfield gets a couple of new faces, everything will be just fine with the world.

 

[DaBruinz]

That's so subjective

It's clear McDaniels WANTED Edelman to produce more the first few games
He forced the ball to him, called specific plays for him

Only when it failed to produce big points, was Welker brought back to save the offense for the year

Yes. It is so subjective to say that Edelman outperformed Welker in 9 or 10 training camp sessions when Edelman was catching everything and Welker was dropping one a session..

Yep. I saw it with my own eyes. That was McDaniels on the field in the #12 jersey throwing the ball to Edelman..

Do you even stop to think about how totally stupid your rants sound? Seriously. Brady is the one who makes the final decision on where the ball goes because he's the one who looks at who is open.

You also seem to have missed that EDELMAN spent last off-season working with Brady. Do you think that maybe, just MAYBE Brady tried to reward Edelman for that? Nah.. Couldn't be that at all. Has to be that McDaniels was on the field in the #12 Jersey..

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh, I'll be here, don't worry. So long as you continue making idiotic posts, Admin Willing, I'll be here.

I look forward to smearing your face in the success of this team in the near future. :rocker:

That's a bizarre thing to say, given that I've not said that the team is doomed, or anything like that. But, stalk away. The ignore function's there for when you get bothersome. :thumb:

 

[signbabybrady]

You're kidding, right?

Not at all.

Please explain where BB was wrong or why he should pay more than the rest of the league felt he was worth or more than a reasonable replacement would cost?

 

[randomk1]

~ Danny Amendola
~ Greg Salas
~ Michael Hoomanawanui
~ Brandon Lloyd
~ Daniel Fells


Salas is gone. Lloyd was from Denver

But the Pats wasted a pick trading for him

McDaniels should not partake in personnel discussions

.

C'mon. Tebow was easily a 1st round talent.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

This is crazy. Welker wanted to come back to the Patriots, and the Patriots wanted to go in a different direction. If that isn't crystal clear to anyone who has read about the basic facts here, then I don't know what will convince them. There is no "other story" or ulterior motive. Had Welker agreed to an extreme sweetheart deal, none of this stuff would even be talked about, there would be no "ego" or "disrespect" nonsense, and everyone would have said it was a rosy relationship all along and this was just posturing. But the media loves to paint stories in black-and-white based on the ultimate outcome of a situation by then projecting that onto past events and making them fit.

It's obvious the Patriots do not value Welker as highly as we thought, and for that matter, neither do most NFL teams. If anyone on here thought coming into today that the best Welker could do was 2/12 then you are lying. So, I wish that people would stop acting like they already have "solved" this case and attribute it to arrogance, misevaluation of talent, bad negotiating, or whatever you think it is. Just remember that 24 hours ago ALL OF US would have laughed at the prospect of Welker accepting anything close to 2/12 with any team out there.

And in terms of people really thinking that the Patriots screwed this up and lost Welker in a poorly played game of chicken, you must have missed the announcement made hours after Welker signed with Denver. The Amendola deal was obviously in the works for a very long time and, without any question, this is the reason the Pats became less and less excited about Wes as the answer.

I will miss Welker and appreciate everything he gave to the Pats, but before we crown horse face and the forehead as SB champs, let's remember that the Pats could have signed Welker to the same contract but passed. Who do you think has better inside information about Welker- the Broncos or Patriots?

 

[goheels22002]

It wasn't the money; it was the principle | Comcast SportsNet - CSNNE.com


pretty sad if this is how it happened. Wish they had simply not made an offer in FA and said they are moving on . Wouldve been cleaner.

This supposed slight came after Welker signed his franchise tender making him the highest paid player on the team. I am not sympathetic to Wes Welker's agent's fragile ego.

 

[aurakilla]

"Per reporter Mike Reiss, Welker didn't seriously consider the offer because "the club isn't viewed as a contender." According to Reiss, talks with the Patriots reached a "breaking point" just before Tuesday's official start of free agency. The Pats offered a two-year, $10 million deal that could be worth up to $16 million through incentives, but Welker turned it down because he believed the sweeteners would be "extremely difficult to reach." The whole article is worth a read, and can be found at the link. "

Fantasy Football player news, injuries and analysis - Rotoworld.com

ya sooooooooo cant blame belicheck for that one

 

[DaBruinz]

"Per reporter Mike Reiss, Welker didn't seriously consider the offer because "the club isn't viewed as a contender." According to Reiss, talks with the Patriots reached a "breaking point" just before Tuesday's official start of free agency. The Pats offered a two-year, $10 million deal that could be worth up to $16 million through incentives, but Welker turned it down because he believed the sweeteners would be "extremely difficult to reach." The whole article is worth a read, and can be found at the link. "

Fantasy Football player news, injuries and analysis - Rotoworld.com

ya sooooooooo cant blame belicheck for that one

How about you quote the actual ESPN article instead of a hodgepodge from Rotoworld..

2013 NFL free agency -- New England Patriots quickly shifted from Wes Welker to Danny Amendola - ESPN Boston

The breaking point came Tuesday in the mid-afternoon before the official start of free agency, when the Patriots and Welker's representatives halted contract talks. The team's offer, a two-year, $10 million pact with incentives that could have pushed it as high as $16 million but in the eyes of Welker would be extremely difficult to reach, wasn't accepted.

At that point, Welker and his representatives intensified their pursuit of other offers, and it helped that some groundwork had previously been laid with the Broncos. Likewise, the Patriots turned their attention to Amendola, who was their top choice if things didn't work out with Welker (and in the eyes of some on the other side of the negotiating table their top choice all along).

Things came together quickly with the Patriots and Amendola on a five-year, $31 million deal with $10 million guaranteed, and at that point, there was no looking back for the team. While the Patriots would have been pleased if Welker accepted their proposal -- owner Robert Kraft said Monday that he hoped Welker would retire as a Patriot -- the possibility of losing him and Amendola was deemed too risky, so they moved close to locking in the deal with Amendola not long after free agency began Tuesday.

There are some other interesting tidbits in there as well..

 

[DaBruinz]

~ Danny Amendola
~ Greg Salas
~ Michael Hoomanawanui
~ Brandon Lloyd
~ Daniel Fells


Salas is gone. Lloyd was from Denver

But the Pats wasted a pick trading for him

McDaniels should not partake in personnel discussions

.

Fells never played for McDaniel before Fells joined the Pats. But you keep saying that he did.

Fells was in Denver in 2011 when McDaniels was with the Rams. Prior to that, Fells was in St. Louis with McDaniels in Denver. Oh, wait. That's an excuse, right?

 

[ausbacker]

How about you quote the actual ESPN article instead of a hodgepodge from Rotoworld..

2013 NFL free agency -- New England Patriots quickly shifted from Wes Welker to Danny Amendola - ESPN Boston

There are some other interesting tidbits in there as well..

Team offers incentive laden contract opposed to player wanting more guaranteed money. This happens all the time. It's sad to see Wes go but it's hardly worth getting worked up over like some people have been.

 

[DaBruinz]

Team offers incentive laden contract opposed to player wanting more guaranteed money. This happens all the time. It's sad to see Wes go but it's hardly worth getting worked up over like some people have been.

I'll be honest. There is clearly fault on both sides. I fault Welker and his agent for not at least trying to change the numbers at which the incentives kicked in. I also fault the Pats for not being willing to budge over a miniscule $1M over 3 years last year. Just silliness.

I truly hope that it doesn't bite the Pats in the rear.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

This is crazy. Welker wanted to come back to the Patriots, and the Patriots wanted to go in a different direction. If that isn't crystal clear to anyone who has read about the basic facts here, then I don't know what will convince them. There is no "other story" or ulterior motive. Had Welker agreed to an extreme sweetheart deal, none of this stuff would even be talked about, there would be no "ego" or "disrespect" nonsense, and everyone would have said it was a rosy relationship all along and this was just posturing. But the media loves to paint stories in black-and-white based on the ultimate outcome of a situation by then projecting that onto past events and making them fit.

It's obvious the Patriots do not value Welker as highly as we thought, and for that matter, neither do most NFL teams. If anyone on here thought coming into today that the best Welker could do was 2/12 then you are lying. So, I wish that people would stop acting like they already have "solved" this case and attribute it to arrogance, misevaluation of talent, bad negotiating, or whatever you think it is. Just remember that 24 hours ago ALL OF US would have laughed at the prospect of Welker accepting anything close to 2/12 with any team out there.

And in terms of people really thinking that the Patriots screwed this up and lost Welker in a poorly played game of chicken, you must have missed the announcement made hours after Welker signed with Denver. The Amendola deal was obviously in the works for a very long time and, without any question, this is the reason the Pats became less and less excited about Wes as the answer.

I will miss Welker and appreciate everything he gave to the Pats, but before we crown horse face and the forehead as SB champs, let's remember that the Pats could have signed Welker to the same contract but passed. Who do you think has better inside information about Welker- the Broncos or Patriots?

A lot of good points. I also will miss WW and everything he gave to the Pats. But there is no doubt that BB and co did not value WW as much as WW wanted to be valued. Ego? If it was ego then why make an offer that is somewhat in the same ballpark as Denver (2 years, 10mil per, incentives if reports are true)? The contract offered by the Patriots is far from a 'slap' at WW given that the numbers are not far apart from what the free market offered. That to me does not equal WW being cast aside due to ego, it equals BB putting a value on WW and sticking with it. And WW, understandably, saying I am worth more and taking the better offer. Sounds much more like business as usual with the Patriots front office instead of operating like a bunch of illogical, emotion driven high school 'mean girls' crowd.

The Patriots were a good team with WW. WW is gone now. We have DA and an extra 5 mil (give or take a mil) to sign someone else. If DA and the player(s) signed with the saved money out perform their contracts, this is a good move on BB's part (I REALLY hope the additional savings allows a good, solid CB to be our #1 in 2013). But if the offense is lesser with DA/without WW, and the additional savings does not equal additional solid production in other areas of the field, this was not a good move and 2013's record will reflect that. Either way, WW is gone. Like it or not it there is a point soon where everyone has got to move on....

 

[Observer]

Curran:It was about ego, not money

Lots of rationalizing going on here. Just as it was when he was being sidelined in the first few games last season. The easiest explanation is that Welker felt disrespected and unwanted so he took off. I would do the same thing.