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The case AGAINST signing Ed Reed


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Not very well written or thought out. I would assume that someone analyzing a safety's fit in NE would know we play LS and RS not FS and SS.
Ultimately, I agree with the conclusion that signing an aging and injury prone guy as a stop gap isn't the best solution (by the way George Wilson over Reed?) but the reasoning here was shoddy, IMO. We would be a better team next year with Reed than his solution, if Reed stays healthy, but this is a player who contemplated retirement 2 years ago and has started to show wear and tear. At the likely price tag, the player is worth it, but the risk of being without the player and wasting the money overcomes that IMO.
 
What would it take for us to finally be able to say that the Pats actually do use their safeties differently? I'd gladly be willing to go back and see how often McCourty is the safety that goes deep in cover 1 and cover 3, or whatever other criteria people want to use.

And considering the Pats' defense was among the worst in the NFL in perimeter run defense on both sides of the field, I think they could benefit a lot from adding someone who is an upgrade over Gregory in tackling, and that's not Reed at this point in his career.
 
i dont think the pats have a shot at signing him i think he stays with the ravens but why would anyone not want Ed Reed yes he's a year or two stop gap but who is the long term safety ? if its Tavon Wilson and Devin McCourty then im ok with that but if anyone thinks the pats are going to pay
 
I'm operating with the numbers of of the Pats operating at a very low point of secondary play. 50% of Reed is probably better than 100% of Chung last year. The Pat are in desperate situations in the secondary. No stone unturned.
 
i dont think the pats have a shot at signing him i think he stays with the ravens but why would anyone not want Ed Reed yes he's a year or two stop gap but who is the long term safety ? if its Tavon Wilson and Devin McCourty then im ok with that but if anyone thinks the pats are going to pay

I'm not sold on Wilson. I'd rather have Reed for insurance. 2 year deal sounds good to me. Worse case scenario, McCourty goes back to Corner. Relying on Meriweather and Chung who were suppose to be young studs ended up being a mistake(although they still should have kept Meriweather instead of starting Brown and Barrett). Extra dept is not a bad thing. Assuming Reed doesn't want something outrageous and pats will be able to cut him at the end of the season without hurting themselves.
 
I've maintained all along that I'd rather not sign Reed, but I wouldn't be exactly heartbroken if the team went that route.

Just seems like there's a better way to use the resources than overpaying for a safety whose play is in decline. I'd prefer a more sustainable solution, myself.
 
Not very well written or thought out. I would assume that someone analyzing a safety's fit in NE would know we play LS and RS not FS and SS.
Ultimately, I agree with the conclusion that signing an aging and injury prone guy as a stop gap isn't the best solution (by the way George Wilson over Reed?) but the reasoning here was shoddy, IMO. We would be a better team next year with Reed than his solution, if Reed stays healthy, but this is a player who contemplated retirement 2 years ago and has started to show wear and tear. At the likely price tag, the player is worth it, but the risk of being without the player and wasting the money overcomes that IMO.
What would be the better solution at safety for next year?
 
I've maintained all along that I'd rather not sign Reed, but I wouldn't be exactly heartbroken if the team went that route.
Just seems like there's a better way to use the resources than overpaying for a safety whose play is in decline. I'd prefer a more sustainable solution, myself.

This my view point as well.

Personally I don't think safety is as big a concern as everyone makes it out to be. I am in the group that assumes we leave McCourty at safety and he is currently our best DB. We also have a young player in Wilson who filled a dimeback role and back up safety role and got 4 picks doing it, he did have his struggles but I am willing to bank on growth from him. One of the reasons I am willing to bank on this is that worst case scenario I think Gregory is a decent starter who is memory serves me correct was hurt during our secondaries worst stretch last year and IMO his health was a part of the secondaries turn around (which seems to be credited completely to Talib and the McCourty move to Safety).

To me the above is not aweful and obviously if healthy Reed would be huge boost to the position and for that reason I am not against it but if we look at the CB position there is a completely different picture there which is just Dennard (I believe his sentenct will allow him to be here long before TC).

IMO any money spent in the secondary should be spent on CB not safety. If we spend on safety than we are likely moving McCourty back to CB and I am ok with this but my opinion is he should stay at safety.

My preference would be to spend on Talib or another one of the top CB on the market and fill in the rest of the CB depth with draft and mid level free agents.
My depth would look like this.

Safety:
Starting would be McCourty and hopefully Wilson steps up to take the other spot but I am OK with Gregory starting. The other obviously being the key depth. Ebner as number 4 and a key ST contributor is good.

Starting CB
Dennard and Talib (or top level free agent)
Nickel - Mid level Free Agent would be nice to have Arrington back as we know he is a good slot player and STer but if gone I think we should be able to find a slot corner.
Depth - A draft pick should definitely be added to this group perfably a high one. Also depending on is the slot corner we might need added depth on the outside (speaking specifically about Arrington).

This IMO would make for a much better secondary than we have started the last few seasons with. My concerns are that if McCourty were to go done that is a scary safety duo but most teams could say the same if their top safety went down.

Total offseason investment at safety we are not spending anything by my above plan and at CB we are investing heavy in a top free agent, mid level free agent, and a high draft pick.
 

I can't really argue with that sound reasoning, and honestly it changed my mind about Reed. Biggest takeaway is that Devin McCourty is a fantastic FS, so why bring in an older who plays exactly the same position. I did not realize just how good McCourty is at the position, and while stats can be skewed at QB rating against of 10.2?? Even the biggest stat manipulator would have trouble getting to a number like that.
 
the days of established free agents taking the bait on the Pats one/two year contract offers because they "want to win" are long gone. Hey, if you want to win division titles, New England's the place, but if you want to win a Super Bowl, free agents are looking elsewhere....
 
Why would ed reed want to come here instead of staying at a SB champion? Seems like an odd thing to do. Maybe it's me. Would he get an extra few dollars to come here? I don't think that would make sense, still.

Unless Baltimore just doesn't want to sign him and then why would they not?
 
Ed Reed: "I'd win two" superbowls in New England.
 
Seems like a lot of people want a guy who's young, can cover, and can deliver big hits. Not easy to come by. I'd take Reed or Landry or even both if you can get away with a short and not too expensive contract. It's rumored Landry will settle for 3-4 million.
 
Seems like a lot of people want a guy who's young, can cover, and can deliver big hits. Not easy to come by. I'd take Reed or Landry or even both if you can get away with a short and not too expensive contract. It's rumored Landry will settle for 3-4 million.

Landry is not coming here. He felt BB disrespected him last year by not showing up to last year's free agent visit. Even if he has got over it there is still the reason why BB didn't my assumption he didnt want him.
 
Landry is not coming here. He felt BB disrespected him last year by not showing up to last year's free agent visit. Even if he has got over it there is still the reason why BB didn't my assumption he didnt want him.

Eh, you never know. Raja Ball clotheslined Kobe Bryant and now is dying to be a Laker.
 
Seems like a lot of people want a guy who's young, can cover, and can deliver big hits. Not easy to come by. I'd take Reed or Landry or even both if you can get away with a short and not too expensive contract. It's rumored Landry will settle for 3-4 million.

Problem is Landry sucks in coverage.
 
Problem is Landry sucks in coverage.

Pollard isn't particularly good in coverage but he makes an impact because he's a hard hitting SOB. Could use one. Depends who's on corner. If they bring back Talib and Dennard and is allowed to play and Rasi doesn't smash into a million pieces they might be able to afford having a hard hitter out there.
 
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