The non-call on the 4th Down Hold

[DocHoliday]

As many others have been saying, I don't care which direction a single call goes, I just want them to be consistent and predictable about how they call things.

And to me, it was pretty consistent.

 

[PATRlOT]

They both held eachother. Might as well call it on both... or just to keep things simple, they didn't call it at all.

 

[woolster22]

They made the right call by calling nothing. They've been letting the DBs and WRs be physical all night. At least they kept it consistent.

Culliver's PI on Smith on an earlier drive was WAY too obvious to let it go so they called that one.

Then why have the refs there in the first place? I'm all for letting them play, but with the bogus "emphasis" and "player safety," and silly fines being handed out like it isn't real money...

...this was a joke. There's physical and bull****. I want federal investigations of all bank accounts of all officials involved tonight. A full review of the nfl front office is in order. Throw the nba in as well. These two leagues have certainly established themselves as leagues which are ok with referees influencing games, rules be damned.

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[condon84]

Then why have the refs there in the first place? I'm all for letting them play, but with the bogus "emphasis" and "player safety," and silly fines being handed out like it isn't real money...

...this was a joke. There's physical and bull****. I want federal investigations of all bank accounts of all officials involved tonight. A full review of the nfl front office is in order. Throw the nba in as well. These two leagues have certainly established themselves as leagues which are ok with referees influencing games, rules be damned.

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Not sure if this is serious...or a new form of sarcasm...

 

[DocHoliday]

Then why have the refs there in the first place? I'm all for letting them play, but with the bogus "emphasis" and "player safety," and silly fines being handed out like it isn't real money...

...this was a joke. There's physical and bull****. I want federal investigations of all bank accounts of all officials involved tonight. A full review of the nfl front office is in order. Throw the nba in as well. These two leagues have certainly established themselves as leagues which are ok with referees influencing games, rules be damned.

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This is hilarious

 

[Sweft]

No way in hell do I want a refs to give the 49ers a victory, remember, they get a whole set of downs and they can milk the clock, on a questionable call. I saw contact on both players and it wasn't much, and those no calls happen all the time.

The throw was crap, he barely got it off. If the 49ers wanted to score they should have jammed the ball inside. You don't win by needing the refs. You win in spite of the refs.

This is why the Pats are crap lately. They do gimmick plays, they whine about one or two plays (wellker drops) and they fail to see the bigger picture. The game is, ultimately, won by the team most hungry to win. Tonight, and against the pats, the ravens were more hungry. The pats have no hunger, only gimmick strategy.

 

[woolster22]

Not sure if this is serious...or a new form of sarcasm...

Mostly sarcastic. Still, tonight's abortion coupled with some of the latest nba puke fests make me wonder where the money is coming from and how it's being hidden. What was the name? Donahue, donagee...

The smirking ref next to harbaugh going ballistic at the end of the game was what really set it off. He wasn't even looking. Just knew what the out come was...

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[Claremonster]

Amazing all year the call everything on helmet to helmet hit, but on the final drive of the season they let it go.

Not amazing at all. The game was rigged, and it always was.

 

[Modest]

No way in hell do I want a refs to give the 49ers a victory, remember, they get a whole set of downs and they can milk the clock, on a questionable call. I saw contact on both players and it wasn't much, and those no calls happen all the time.

The throw was crap, he barely got it off. If the 49ers wanted to score they should have jammed the ball inside. You don't win by needing the refs. You win in spite of the refs.

This is why the Pats are crap lately. They do gimmick plays, they whine about one or two plays (wellker drops) and they fail to see the bigger picture. The game is, ultimately, won by the team most hungry to win. Tonight, and against the pats, the ravens were more hungry. The pats have no hunger, only gimmick strategy.

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[Observer]

That's the problem. The Ravens' DBs two weeks ago as well as Culliver tonight got away with tons of contact. What's the rationale for different rules? The refs affect enough games to change playoff seedings in the regular season, so why do we want them to sit there and watch in the playoffs?

No rationale, just pointing out that the manner in which games are officiated is crap and are making it difficult for me to take any result seriously.

 

[Patradomous]

I voted it was the wrong call. But I'm glad they didn't make the call.
I think because of pressure the ball would not have been there anyway.
I'm sick and tired of arena ball anyway.
Why in that situation with the running option game with that QB do let a rookie QB pass anyway?

Did anybody else notice on that dean Pease blitz that Crabtree wasn't defended alone like Ellis Hobbs was on Buress?

 

[UK_Pat37]

I think it has to be called but I've always said if a referee is going to suck, they should at least suck consistently for both teams.

There was a play n a deep ball to Smth where there was blatant contact past five yards and it wasn't called. So you can say it's only fair that that play got the same treatment. Personally, Super Bowl or no Super Bowl, both the calls should have been made.

Culliver's PI is incomparable. That was so obvious that had to get called.

Disappointed it wasn't called bt they were consistent with their calls all game. Also, on review, it looks like Ed Reed timed his blitz to perfection on that two pointer.

You can try and blame the refs all you like. The play calling lost them the game. Three passes? Three? Don't run the clock down? Poor coaching decisions and a team which at times looked far from mental prepared for this game.

Saying that, the best QB on the field didnt get his ring. Kaepernick made far better throws. When a team out gains someone by 100+ yards, has a QB throw for over 300, has one 100 yard usher and two 100 yard receivers, you don't expect them to lose a game. They threw it away. Ravens got an element of luck.

 

[DarrylStingley]

No way in hell do I want a refs to give the 49ers a victory, remember, they get a whole set of downs and they can milk the clock, on a questionable call. I saw contact on both players and it wasn't much, and those no calls happen all the time.

The throw was crap, he barely got it off. If the 49ers wanted to score they should have jammed the ball inside. You don't win by needing the refs. You win in spite of the refs.

This is why the Pats are crap lately. They do gimmick plays, they whine about one or two plays (wellker drops) and they fail to see the bigger picture. The game is, ultimately, won by the team most hungry to win. Tonight, and against the pats, the ravens were more hungry. The pats have no hunger, only gimmick strategy.

Weird that a Ravns fan would visit a Pats board while celebrating a SB.

 

[ivanvamp]

No question it was holding. None whatsoever. Two hands on the receiver, both hands grabbing him. You can see the shirt getting yanked as the receiver tries to pull away. As others have mentioned, if that was McCourty or Arrington on coverage, absolutely 100% certain that a flag is thrown.

That said, I don't feel bad for the 49ers. On their last defensive play against Atlanta in the NFCCG, their LB committed such blatant pass interference and holding that the Falcon WR couldn't even lift his arms to try to catch the pass. Would have been a first down inside the 5-yard line with enough time for a couple of shots in the end zone at least.

So they benefitted hugely from a ref swallowing the whistle just to get to the SB. Well, the worm turned in the SB itself for them. Such is life.

 

[patsinthesnow]

The Cary Williams non ejection was worse. He shoved a ref, there is no subjectivity, you shove a ref, you're ejected.

 

[BSR]

I think it has to be called but I've always said if a referee is going to suck, they should at least suck consistently for both teams.

There was a play n a deep ball to Smth where there was blatant contact past five yards and it wasn't called. So you can say it's only fair that that play got the same treatment. Personally, Super Bowl or no Super Bowl, both the calls should have been made.

Culliver's PI is incomparable. That was so obvious that had to get called.

Disappointed it wasn't called bt they were consistent with their calls all game. Also, on review, it looks like Ed Reed timed his blitz to perfection on that two pointer.

You can try and blame the refs all you like. The play calling lost them the game. Three passes? Three? Don't run the clock down? Poor coaching decisions and a team which at times looked far from mental prepared for this game.

Saying that, the best QB on the field didnt get his ring. Kaepernick made far better throws. When a team out gains someone by 100+ yards, has a QB throw for over 300, has one 100 yard usher and two 100 yard receivers, you don't expect them to lose a game. They threw it away. Ravens got an element of luck.

I almost totally agree with your take except that the Culliver PI was any more obvious than the hold in the end zone. Both were pretty blatant and if you were going to call it that way then the earlier PI shouldn't have been called. If that happened Ravens don't get that field goal to make it 5 points and then who knows.

 

[IllegalContact]

Crabtree made there would be no call by pushing off on the defenders helmet. Torrey smith was not pushing off, so the refs threw the flag.

That's the way mutual contact works and people need to stop questioning the refs based on who they would like to see win. Nobody complained when the miners benefitted by a similar non call at the same critical moment when they were playing the falcons.

 

[DarrylStingley]

Crabtree made there would be no call by pushing off on the defenders helmet. Torrey smith was not pushing off, so the refs threw the flag.

That's the way mutual contact works and people need to stop questioning the refs based on who they would like to see win. Nobody complained when the miners benefitted by a similar non call at the same critical moment when they were playing the falcons.

My economic interest was solidly on the Ravens side and my wallet is a good deal fatter today.

And I agree that the Niners benefited tremendously from another bad call in the Falcons game. Still, that was a hold, and if you can't see it in the name objectivity, I don't know what to say.

That the receiver initiated contact doesn't give the defender a free pass to hold. Where does it say that in the rule book? Hey, if it does and I'm just missing it, I will admit it. But I don't think it does.

 

[IllegalContact]

My economic interest was solidly on the Ravens side and my wallet is a good deal fatter today.

And I agree that the Niners benefited tremendously from another bad call in the Falcons game. Still, that was a hold, and if you can't see it in the name objectivity, I don't know what to say.

That the receiver initiated contact doesn't give the defender a free pass to hold. Where does it say that in the rule book? Hey, if it does and I'm just missing it, I will admit it. But I don't think it does.

if the offensive player initiated contact by pushing off, doesn't that make it offensive pass interference?

you can throw flags on every pass play......there is always contact beyond the 5 yards.....just like there's holding along the line virtually every down.

I've seen worse no-calls before.....

I don't care either way, I just don't think it was a bad no-call......would I have complained if they threw the flag? nope.......but there's no line in the sand where one turns into the other......crabtree made contact also which is likely the reason there was no flag thrown......you can't only look at it as what the defensive player did to the offensive player.

 

[BradyManny]

It was rather obviously a violation, I'm pretty sure even a Ravens fan would admit that. But there was 0% chance of it being called in that specific game situation, and even a Niners fan would have to admit that.