Curran: Marshall Faulk not over being cheated out of Super Bowl victory

[Rob0729]

Did the Pats really need to cheat or steal a gameplan to know that if you hit Faulk, Holt, and Bruce on every play that they would turtle?

 

[Kontradiction]

Wrong guy.
I blame Kraft for this. He's known for his low profile negotiator compromise for the good of the league style. I'm sure he told BB to zip it. Worse yet, BB is awful as a spokesperson on those kinds of issues. He cannot control his disdain, disrespect and sarcasm so he does the right thing and says nothing. You're asking a pig to fly.

I'm still pissed at Kraft's hands off on this issue. Pats PR professionals needed to be tasked with formulating a message and correcting the total fabrications that exist to this day.

That's fine. But some high ranking official within the organization needed to come up and say something. Look at the Saints. They came up and immediately clobbered the media with Bountygate. How many times have you heard about that (the more recent scandal) lately as compared to Spygate? Because, to me, we've all heard a lot more about Spygate lately than Bountygate. A lot of that has to do with fans and media running wild with a lie. The least the Patriots organization could have done was get their viewpoint (which is the truth) out there in the wake of the scandal. Instead, they didn't. The result is that, to this day, we still hear the same lies over and over again and those lies make national news.

 

[Jackson 2]

Wrong guy.
I blame Kraft for this. He's known for his low profile negotiator compromise for the good of the league style. I'm sure he told BB to zip it. Worse yet, BB is awful as a spokesperson on those kinds of issues. He cannot control his disdain, disrespect and sarcasm so he does the right thing and says nothing. You're asking a pig to fly.

I'm still pissed at Kraft's hands off on this issue. Pats PR professionals needed to be tasked with formulating a message and correcting the total fabrications that exist to this day.

I have said this before and I'll say it again: when you fail to respond and defend yourself it's logical for both the accusers and the observers to conclude that what you're accused of is the truth.

 

[patfanken]

As time passes, the one thing I lament is the poor PR job that this team has done on these types of issues.. they just take what these twitter loving jackazzes put out there.

The Pats should have refuted Spygate and refuted this crap.. as much as I respect BB, this is one thing that I wish he would change..

I'm a "homer" and I have no problem with your take on this. In fact I think you are right.

Personally I'm tired of having to defend the Pats from morons like Faulk on a regular basis. About the only joy a Jet fan has these days, is to tweak Pats fans with "Cheater talk". That's not MY job. Its about time the team stood up and defended itself. Look a what a comprehensive defense did for the Saints. They got a lot of people to think they didn't run a bounty program.

Given the fact 24% of the country believes God picks the playoff winners it wouldn't take much of a defense to make some headway.

 

[Boomer B]

My hope is that next time they see each other at the NFL Network studios that Willie McGinest plants Faulk on ass just like he did back in that Super Bowl

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

play-by-play:

USATODAY.com - Super Bowl XXXVI play-by-play

1 redzone possession for StL, 1 TD.

All 3rd down stops by NE for the entire game:

3rd and 18 from the SL 49: K.Warner pass to M.Faulk to NE 40 for 11 yards. Punt.

3rd and 3 from the NE 32: K.Warner pass incomplete to R. Proehl. made FG

3rd and 5 from the NE 34: K.Warner pass incomplete to A.Hakim. FG missed.

3rd and 1 from the 50: K.Warner pass incomplete to R.Proehl. Punt

3rd and 17 from the NE 48: K.Warner pass incomplete. Punt

3rd and 5 from the NE 45: K.Warner pass intended for T.Holt INTERCEPTED by O.Smith at NE 37. O.Smith to SL 33 for 30 yards.

3rd and 20 from the NE 49: K.Warner pass incomplete to T.Holt (O.Smith)


summary:
one 3rd down stopped by INT
three stopped, as expected, on 3rd and 17 or more yards
two stopped on 3rd and 5 attempts (a distance that favors the D)

So it would seem that the two 3rd and short incompletions to Proehl were really the Rams only really good 3rd down shots at keeping a drive alive. Making two stops is cheating. OK. Or maybe you can run it on 3rd and 1 from midfield, you pansy.

 

[Jackson 2]

My hope is that next time they see each other at the NFL Network studios that Willie McGinest plants Faulk on ass just like he did back in that Super Bowl

I understand what you're saying, but Willie shouldn't have to do it. The wimps running this effing organization should have had the balls to do it the minute they were accused. I'm guessing very few of Kraft's contemporaries accuse him and his team of being cheaters. Rather, it's been left to us chumps, the fans, to bear the brunt of this BS all the time and in particular every year at SB time. And in case any of you think the rest of the country is past this and thinks Faulk and others like him are wrong, check the comments, likes and dislikes on the PFT piece. Or, better yet, walk into a bar any place outside of NE with a Pats hat or jacket on and see what happens. This organization has left the fans holding the bag and should be ashamed of itself.

 

[SVN]

play-by-play:

USATODAY.com - Super Bowl XXXVI play-by-play

1 redzone possession for StL, 1 TD.

All 3rd down stops by NE for the entire game:

3rd and 18 from the SL 49: K.Warner pass to M.Faulk to NE 40 for 11 yards. Punt.

3rd and 3 from the NE 32: K.Warner pass incomplete to R. Proehl. made FG

3rd and 5 from the NE 34: K.Warner pass incomplete to A.Hakim. FG missed.

3rd and 1 from the 50: K.Warner pass incomplete to R.Proehl. Punt

3rd and 17 from the NE 48: K.Warner pass incomplete. Punt

3rd and 5 from the NE 45: K.Warner pass intended for T.Holt INTERCEPTED by O.Smith at NE 37. O.Smith to SL 33 for 30 yards.

3rd and 20 from the NE 49: K.Warner pass incomplete to T.Holt (O.Smith)


summary:
one 3rd down stopped by INT
three stopped, as expected, on 3rd and 17 or more yards
two stopped on 3rd and 5 attempts (a distance that favors the D)

So it would seem that the two 3rd and short incompletions to Proehl were really the Rams only really good 3rd down shots at keeping a drive alive. Making two stops is cheating. OK. Or maybe you can run it on 3rd and 1 from midfield, you pansy.

Send this to curran. But no one really does much research these days.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I feel bad for Marshall Faulk, it must suck being so dumb, and so misinformed.

 

[Steve102]

Perhaps Faulk would be better served being pissed at Mike Martz' arrogance and playing right into Belichick's hands.

I really do sort of feel sorry for him. Just can't get over it. Feels the pain of the loss stinging him to this day. Oh wait... I am not sorry. That's why I love the Pats, Marshall, because eleven freakin' years later, you're still cryin' about it like it was last Sunday! :rocker:

one more thing... :deadhorse:

 

[DefenseRules]

The Pats should have refuted Spygate and refuted this crap.. as much as I respect BB, this is one thing that I wish he would change..

BB may not have had a choice in the matter. Bob Kraft seemed to make most of the comments on the spygate stuff that year. He may have told BB not to comment on it. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Boomer B]

I understand what you're saying, but Willie shouldn't have to do it. The wimps running this effing organization should have had the balls to do it the minute they were accused. I'm guessing very few of Kraft's contemporaries accuse him and his team of being cheaters. Rather, it's been left to us chumps, the fans, to bear the brunt of this BS all the time and in particular every year at SB time. And in case any of you think the rest of the country is past this and thinks Faulk and others like him are wrong, check the comments, likes and dislikes on the PFT piece. Or, better yet, walk into a bar any place outside of NE with a Pats hat or jacket on and see what happens. This organization has left the fans holding the bag and should be ashamed of itself.

I hear what you're saying and I agree with you. But what Faulk is basically doing is saying to Willie (and every other member of that team) that you guys couldn't beat us straight up and that your championship is a fraud. Now if I'm Willie McGinest, a proud man who put in a ton of effort to win those titles, I would take what Faulk is saying as a slap to the face and I would slap him back, right on his ass.

I think it's time that every time a guy like Faulk who is a member of the NFL says something about the B.S taped walk through, that Kraft immediately retorts him and that ex-members of the Pats publicly say something like "Faulk is bitter now 'cause he played like a p*ssy in that game". If Faulk see's people coming back at him and pointing out his poor game then maybe he won't be so ready to claim the Super Bowl was a fraud.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

BB may not have had a choice in the matter. Bob Kraft seemed to make most of the comments on the spygate stuff that year. He may have told BB not to comment on it. Just my 2 cents.

Agree 100%.

Kraft also took one for the good of the league in refusing to say things that were true, like

-the Jets had been taping us!
-pretty much every team had done it!
-it was just a logical extension of sign-stealing, a tactic used since the 50s at least

By not saying any of that, the NFL didn't have to talk about it as being a widespread problem but just, by implication, a Patriots problem. Thus we take the fall and the problem is solved.

Given the crap we get for it 5 years later, though, I wonder if even Kraft doesn't think we should have taken a more aggressive defensive posture.

 

[SVN]

When I watched cleveland'95 on nfl football life I saw something which probably let to BB's refusal to speak. They showed bb discussing with his coaches how to handle the team moving to baltimore in the middle of the season. He says he didnt know how to handle it so he instructs his team/coaches to simply not talk abut it and just say we are moving on to the next game/team. He carried over the same philosophy here. Pats thought they will show they can win after spygate and it will go away on its own. The grossly miscalculated the PR impact of this .It doesnt bother team or the players anymore but fans are the ones who have to keep responding to this .

 

[eom]

When I watched cleveland'95 on nfl football life I saw something which probably let to BB's refusal to speak. They showed bb discussing with his coaches how to handle the team moving to baltimore in the middle of the season. He says he didnt know how to handle it so he instructs his team/coaches to simply not talk abut it and just say we are moving on to the next game/team. He carried over the same philosophy here. Pats thought they will show they can win after spygate and it will go away on its own. The grossly miscalculated the PR impact of this .It doesnt bother team or the players anymore but fans are the ones who have to keep responding to this .

actually, you don't.

 

[eom]

I think jacksonville is looking for fans if you guys want a team nobody is talking about.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

That Super Bowl was situational football at its finest.

The Rams had way more passing yards and even ran it decently at 22 carries for 90 yards

They just kept stalling drives after crossing midfield, and when coupled with two costly INTs, they basically piled up empty yards all day. They started making them count in the 4th quarter once down 17-3, but their earlier mistakes didn't really give them a chance to win unless we didn't score again.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

That's fine. But some high ranking official within the organization needed to come up and say something. Look at the Saints. They came up and immediately clobbered the media with Bountygate. How many times have you heard about that (the more recent scandal) lately as compared to Spygate? Because, to me, we've all heard a lot more about Spygate lately than Bountygate. A lot of that has to do with fans and media running wild with a lie. The least the Patriots organization could have done was get their viewpoint (which is the truth) out there in the wake of the scandal. Instead, they didn't. The result is that, to this day, we still hear the same lies over and over again and those lies make national news.

And in the process finished the season 7-9. I know, they lost their coach. Well Kraft was more concerned about losing his than fighting a PR battle he couldn't win. The saints didn't either. Everyone knows what they did whether the player suspensions got overturned or not.

 

[Off The Grid]

I think jacksonville is looking for fans if you guys want a team nobody is talking about.

STFU.

Kraft is awesome, but he dropped the ball on a GALACTIC level, on this, and these guys are airing 100% legitimate Complaints. We ARE left holding the Bag.

All Kraft had to do was tell Goodel to go pound sand, and call BOOL SHEET on this Sewage, and lay it out in Public what REALLY happened...and what DIDN'T happen.

Now, even half of the PATRIOTS Fans ~ hey, there are Morons EVERYWHERE ~ think we were guilty of more than a pathetic little technical violation, because Kraft didn't SPEAK UP!!

I love Kraft, but he is a CELESTIAL WIMP.

 

[Kontradiction]

I think jacksonville is looking for fans if you guys want a team nobody is talking about.

Your logic is weak. Having a team people talk about his all well and good. Having a team that people talk about because a simple rules infraction blew up when it shouldn't have is a completely different thing.