Randy Moss says that he is the greatest WR ever

[patsfan13]

Since they played in slightly different eras, let's compare them to their peers.


Receptions
Rice: 1st 2x; 2nd 4x; top-5 9x; top-10 12x
Moss: 1st 0x; 2nd 1x; top-5 2s; top-10 3x

Receiving Yards
Rice: 1st 6x; 2nd 2x; top-5 11x; top-10 12x
Moss: 1st 0x; 2nd 3x; top-5 7x; top-10 8x

Receiving Touchdowns
Rice: 1st 6x; 2nd 1x; top-5 11x; top-10 12x
Moss: 1st 5x; 2nd 0x; top-5 8x; top-10 9x


Best single seasons, as ranked all-time in NFL history
Rice, 1995: 4th in receptions (122), 2nd in yards (1848), 19th in TD (15)
Moss, 2007: 81st in receptions (98), 36th in yards (1493), 1st in TD (23)

Other single-season marks
Rice has six of the top-40 seasons in NFL history for receiving yards
Moss has three of the top-5 seasons in NFL history for TD receptions

How bout TPC?

That is another aspect of a receiver's ability to impact the game and D.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Once again, a 24 year old kid next year will complete a matching (or exceeding) of Moss' 4 year Brady numbers. And the kid is a far better blocker than Moss ever was.

In fact, Randy Moss is the THIRD best WR Brady ever threw to.
Check any stats you want. Head to head (other than TDs' - - and yes, that is a big one I agree) Welker out performed Moss over the 4 years they were teammates.

Same 4 Years Catching from Brady:

Moss: 259 Rec 3,904 Yds 50 TD
Welker: 432 Rec 4,536 Yds 22 TD

And Welker fielded punts.

I'm sorry, please, comeon. Welker comes nowhere close to Randy Moss. Minnesota Randy Moss (age 21-27) blows him away and is better than Rice IMO. He turned Culpepper into an All-Pro. He turned old man Randall Cunningham into an All-Pro.

If you put young Randy on the Colts or Pats, give him Brady or Manning for his whole career, he would've been the GOAT. We only had one year really of Randy still having his Mike Wallace speed (he arguably wasn't the same as Minnesota Randy and still put up 1,500 yards and 23 TDs), imagine him here when he was 25.....

Welker was age 27-30, Randy was 30-33, and you fudged it with counting the year Randy got traded. Brady missed out on Moss at age 31 too.

Moss had 50 TDs with NE in 4 years..about 3,900 yards. Minn was his best becasue he was there the longest.

But tie His Minn and NE days...and wow look at those stats

2007 Moss was his best year, but IMO he still wasn't quite what he was in Minnesota. If you put 25 year old Moss on that team, he may reach 2,000 yards along with his 23 TDs.

 

[Claremonster]

Megatron will have something to say when he is this old (barring being healthy).

 

[jmt57]

How bout YPC?

That is another aspect of a receiver's ability to impact the game and D.

I would have looked that up as well, but Pro Football Reference didn't have that listed ... I'll go see if I can find some nice quick and easy comparisons like PFR has somewhere.

Randy Moss NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com
Jerry Rice NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com
NFL Leaders, Football Records, NFL Leaderboards - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[SVN]

Randy Moss: 'I've always wanted to be normal'

 

[Kontradiction]

He is the greatest deep threat in league history and is firmly entrenched at #2 all time. But I have to give the top slot to Rice.

 

[Kontradiction]

Big whoop. By this date next year, our 24 year old TE will have matched or EXCEEDED those 4 year Patriots numbers of Moss.

......and Moss has one less ring than Peyton Manning.

As a fan of Tom Brady, I can understand why Jerry Rice is laughing.

Moss' quarterbacks: Aging Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper, Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter/Aaron Brooks, Tom Brady, aging Brett Favre, and Kerry Collins again.

As you can see, aside from Brady and an aging/injured Favre, Moss hasn't exactly had a crew of Hall of Famers throwing him the ball. Rice had two of them in his prime.

 

[ausbacker]

I hope Gronk's freak accidents are done with now.

 

[brdmaverick]

I would agree with Randy. Do his stats fall short of Jerry Rice, sure?

But here's what I'm thinking.....Randy could make any quarterback look good.

If I was quarterback of a team, and if I had to throw to anyone in the history of the game, I would want it to be Randy Moss. With his physical attributes (height, speed, vertical leap) combined with his terrific hands, I could just 'throw it' and he would give me the best chance of a completion. He could make me look good as a QB.

 

[stcjones]

Well said......I think also that not only did Rice have an EXTREMELY TALENTED offensive unit to allow him to flourish all those years....but he had TWO HOF QB's throwing him the ball.....Also....even though in those years the WRs were NOT protected like they are today....the LEAGUE did alot to protect Jerry Rice....because they NEEDED him to get the ratings every week! It is much like how Brady and P Manning get some preferential treatment....why? SO PEOPLE will turn in every week and watch the great ones play.... I think Moss was the most talented WR of all time.....Now someone mentioned Megatron....and maybe he will surpass everyone if he stays healthy...but THERE IS ANOTHER GUY....WHAT would he have been able to do IF he had a HOF QB throwing the ball to him? Food for thought.....

I would agree with Randy. Do his stats fall short of Jerry Rice, sure?

But here's what I'm thinking.....Randy could make any quarterback look good.

If I was quarterback of a team, and if I had to throw to anyone in the history of the game, I would want it to be Randy Moss. With his physical attributes (height, speed, vertical leap) combined with his terrific hands, I could just 'throw it' and he would give me the best chance of a completion. He could make me look good as a QB.

 

[hoeilaart]

I think Randy is annoyed with how much attention Ray Lewis is getting, he's not the only GOAT playing in the Super Bowl. Here's to Randy taking home the MVP!

 

[PATRlOT]

If only Moss and Brady played together some more

 

[DocHoliday]

You coulda been Randy.

 

[Observer]

Never saw Rice play but it is easy to see that Randy was an extraordinary talent head and shoulders above any of his peers. In all the time that I have watched football, haven't seen another receiver like what he was in '07. Certainly the greatest of his generation.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

I look at this way. Jerry Rice had Montana and Steve Young throwing him the rock in an outstanding offensive system by a legendary offensive-minded coach. Randy Moss resurected Jeff Georges career in his first season and made DAUNTE CULPEPPER the most accurate qb (at the time) of all time. Look what happened with Culpepper when Randy wasnt catching the ball from him. And like ESPN said he extended Cris Carters career weither he likes it or not. No one ever is going to touch Jerry Rice's career numbers, but I feel like Randy changed the game more.

 

[Fencer]

Randy Moss gets it, even after griping about role and boasting of being better than Jerry Rice - Yahoo! Sports is a good article based on the same quotes.

He claims he was the most impactful WR because of all the safeties he dragged with him and so on.

He explains his fondness for Myra Kraft as appreciation that she didn't veto his acquisition by the Patriots, notwithstanding her reputation for vetoing thugs.

 

[letekro]

And he would be correct. Scary to think what his numbers would be if he had played with real quarterbacks his whole career like Rice did.

 

[SVN]

Randy Moss gets it, even after griping about role and boasting of being better than Jerry Rice - Yahoo! Sports is a good article based on the same quotes.

He claims he was the most impactful WR because of all the safeties he dragged with him and so on.

He explains his fondness for Myra Kraft as appreciation that she didn't veto his acquisition by the Patriots, notwithstanding her reputation for vetoing thugs.

Sad no one in the boston media cared to mention this from media day.

 

[PatsFanUpNorth]

BTW, Rice has won 3 Super Bowls and lost 1.

Rice is so associated with Monana (4 SBs) and Young (1 SB) that we think he's got 4 wins. I did the same until I saw the '84 SuperBowl season of the 49ers on NFL Network this week... just waiting for somebody to talk about Jerry Rice. They never did. Of course, Rice's first season was 1985.

One thing no one mentionned is that Walsh implemented option routes in SF, making a star of WR Dwight Clark (who I honestly tought was a TE after only seeing him do "The Catch"). The defenses weren't really prepared for that and Jerry Rice just crushed them because he was such a better ahtlete than Clark.

So Walsh, Monana/Young all helped Rice but so did the "Throw in double/triple coverage to Randy" strategy in MIN and NE for Moss...

 

[wpdougie2180]

So how did that work out for Randy? What most biased people don't realize is Young and Montana missed alot of games because if injuries Rice numbers never dipped in fact they got better with worst QBs than Randy even played with and it's a reason he holds most records it was because he was that good. Just look at the playoffs where legends are made Rice at 40 had a better run than all but 1 of randy's runs in the playoffs and blows away his production with Brady (even the super bowl)

So there is really not even a legitimate argument to be made even at his absolute best Moss beats Rice at nothing (Rice even has more big plays and avg. more yards per catch) since one guy actually did it and the other just gets conjecture despite never proving it with the chips down (credit for go ahead TD in unmetioned game)