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I got invited to a lecture with Paul Tagliabue next Friday! I'm going to pull some strings and get some face time with the commish. Any questions you guys would like me to ask? I'm giddy about this. I've respected the hell out of Tags for years, and have longed to ask him specifics about the behind the scenes business ops at the NFL.

University of Michigan Kinesiology's Michigan Center for Sport Management and the Yaffe Center at the Ross School of Business in Cooperation invite you to hear Paul Tagliabue, former NFL Commissioner, 1:30 p.m., Friday, February 16 in the Rackham Auditorium. Commissioner Tagliabue's presentation is titled, "Persuasion: Lessons Learned in the NFL."
 
thats amazing news
congrats

out of curiosity, what do u do for work there?
 
I would really like to know why the NFL, under his guidance, did so little to curtail the off-field behaviour of its players - be it drugs or otherwise. It almost got to thepoint where the league looked like it tolerated all the arrests and other nonsense that is going on all the time.

Hope you enjoy the lecture.
 
These are statements more than questions, but Tagliabue's actions, or inactions, have already given me his answers. Anyway:

1) Ray Lewis should have been suspended for the 2000 season after he plea-bargained a one-year suspended sentance from the DA. A one-year suspension from the NFL would have been appropriate and consistent. Instead, he wins the SB.

2) The lack of concern over the health and safety of DLmen is disgraceful. The Alex Gibbs-taught chop-blocking methods, as executed by the Broncos and Falcons, and Bobby Wade, should be outlawed, immediately.

3) Because of the penalties enforced against contact by defensive players, a new generation of selfish, primadonna, spotlight-hogging, above-the-law WRs has infected football. And now QBs are taking diving lessons from kickers/punters, soccer players, Mike Ribiero and Daniel Briere.

It is, of course, highly doubtful that Tagliabue would ever acknowledge these stains on his stewardship, or even answer questions about them. Ball-washing and puff-pieces will be the order of the day instead. Say hi to Tags for me.
 
What are his feelings on the state of officiating in the NFL? What did he do to try to improve it when he was in office?
 
Ask how important the Patriots dynasty is to the modern day NFL.
 
If Tags was still Commish, I would implore him to force teams to make more tickets available for individual games. Successful teams have basically locked out fans who aren't part of the season ticket club.
 
Yes, chop-blocking, why is it alright for the player next to the blocker to go low at a D-Lineman, but illegal for the next player over? Neither are going to get in front of the leg because they are both coming from the side.

Damn Quarterbacks can have their own balls but DL knees are fair game.
 
Yes, chop-blocking, why is it alright for the player next to the blocker to go low at a D-Lineman, but illegal for the next player over? Neither are going to get in front of the leg because they are both coming from the side.

Damn Quarterbacks can have their own balls but DL knees are fair game.

Congrats Michigan Dave!!!!!!! If I could ask one question, it would be about the chop-blocking.
 
thats amazing news
congrats

out of curiosity, what do u do for work there?

What job do I have? I'm confused by the question. I work for a property management company in downtown Ann Arbor. I received the invitation for the Tagliabue lecture from one of the Deans at UM as an alumni contributor. The work I do for the NFL is separate- I work for the visitors in Ford Field in the lockerroom and sidelines.
 
These are statements more than questions, but Tagliabue's actions, or inactions, have already given me his answers. Anyway:

1) Ray Lewis should have been suspended for the 2000 season after he plea-bargained a one-year suspended sentance from the DA. A one-year suspension from the NFL would have been appropriate and consistent. Instead, he wins the SB.

2) The lack of concern over the health and safety of DLmen is disgraceful. The Alex Gibbs-taught chop-blocking methods, as executed by the Broncos and Falcons, and Bobby Wade, should be outlawed, immediately.

3) Because of the penalties enforced against contact by defensive players, a new generation of selfish, primadonna, spotlight-hogging, above-the-law WRs has infected football. And now QBs are taking diving lessons from kickers/punters, soccer players, Mike Ribiero and Daniel Briere.

It is, of course, highly doubtful that Tagliabue would ever acknowledge these stains on his stewardship, or even answer questions about them. Ball-washing and puff-pieces will be the order of the day instead. Say hi to Tags for me.

Awesome. I will probably pass on the Lewis incident specifically, however I do intend on asking about the dilemmas faced with off-field problems, and how difficult it is to present a solution that is fair to the player, yet allows public perception of being tough on those who tarnish the image. I will definitely ask about the chop blocking, and the league's stance on "me-first" players (though I have an opposing viewpoint, I feel the NFL is too strict in it's uniform and celebration bans. I'm a 'no fun league' proponent.)
 
Is Roger Goodell's wife as hot in person as she is on TV?
 
How nifty, Dave!

If i had such an opportunity, first i'd ask an ex-Commish
why the NFL goes along so obligingly with the NFLPA's preference for having
the big bucks go to untested - and often undeserving - first-round draft choices
when the CBA instead could direct that stream of money at young vets who clearly are "outplaying their contracts" ?

The last question he would take from me
concerns whether the league subtly signals its on-field officials
to make the overarching goal of parity
one factor in how they call key games.
 
Be sure to tell us how it goes next Friday !
 
PFT has had a ton on Tags lately:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

POSTED 7:53 a.m. EST; UPDATED 8:19 a.m. EST, February 9, 2007

MORE ON WHY TAGS DIDN'T GET IN THE HALL

In the wake of our report regarding the failure of former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue to advance from the list of 17 candidates to the next level of 11, we've tracked down some more information regarding the manner in which the fate of the long-time league boss was decided.

Here's what we've gathered.

First, the West Coast uprising that we mentioned on Thursday was not a significant part of the debate. But it definitely was part of the debate. The problem? There are three "crumbling" stadiums in California, no franchises in Los Angeles, and no plans to return a Super Bowl to San Diego or anywhere else in the State of Schwarzenegger.

Second, there was concern about unfinished work that Tagliabue left behind, and that these issues could ultimately affect how he is viewed. The new CBA was nothing more (in our assessment) than a Band-Aid with bad glue, and there are concerns about the rise in off-field incidents and a steroids program that currently has an HGH loophole big enough to drive Peyton Manning's free Cadillac through.

Third, one sentiment was that there was no need to rush to put Tagliabue into Canton, especially when a spot for him consumes the spot of a deserving player (or, as the case may be, Michael Irvin).

And there was concern that guys like Charlie Sanders and Roger Wehrli would have fallen "into the abyss" if they had not been elected in 2007. We're told that this factored into the decision of many regarding Tagliabue.

Fourth, as to the creation of the free-agency model that we trumpeted on Thursday, it has been pointed out to us that Tagliabue refused it for years, and that a system was created only after the union decertified and individual players filed an antitrust lawsuit. So it might have been the product not of sweeping vision but of damage control.

Fifth, the issues of Tagliabue's perceived coziness with NFLPA chief Gene Upshaw and Tagliabue's personality were not factors in the decision-making process, we're told. For some, the perceived treatment of the media by the NFL was also not a consideration. (For others, as explained below, it was.)

Sixth, as to the debate itself, the thinking of some is that Peter King did not fail (even though he says that he did) in presenting Tagliabue's merits. There was other support for Tags.

Seventh, there's a sense that Tagliabue will get in soon, possibly as soon as next year if the logjam of players isn't too extensive.

Eighth, as to the tone and content of the debate, we're told that it was thought-provoking and for the most part civil. It only got heated when some of the Tagliabue supporters sensed that it wasn't going to happen. (More on that below.)

Ninth, although the proceedings are supposed to be strictly confidential, there has been a surprising amount of commentary by some of the voters who were in the room. Writes Paul Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated:

"Blood was flowing at the Hall of Fame enshrinement meeting Saturday morning. I don't want to go too deeply into this thing because there were heavy repercussions. The Paul Tagliabue discussion set a record of 58 minutes. Two speakers began matters by endorsing him. I was the first of the anti voices. One of my points was that under his stewardship, and without his intervention, the rights of the press were eroded almost beyond recognition. Later I was told that I was a bit over the top. Maybe so."

And Ira Miller had this to say: "While the entire meeting lasted for just a shade over five hours, a record, the only highly volatile discussion involved Tagliabue. Thirteen different people spoke on his candidacy, and the debate lasted 58 minutes. That was even longer than the discussion on [Al] Davis, whose role in various lawsuits had made him a highly controversial figure. The difference, however, is that Davis was elected and Tagliabue was not.

"It was a debate worthy of Old England. There were raised voices approaching anger on both sides of the debate, to the point where I suggested returning civility to the discussion. By then, however, Tagliabue supporters had said that if he were not enshrined this year, his first year as a finalist, the committee would look 'small, petty, dumb, irresponsible' and that, to not vote for him, a selector would have needed to be an '*******.'

"I don't believe I am all of those things. I am still open to Tagliabue's candidacy in future years. I just was not swayed to vote for him in this round."

Sheesh. It's a good thing the proceedings are so thoroughly cloaked in secrecy.

Anyway, our opinion is still the same. Tagliabue deserves to get in. And some of the folks in the room apparently believed that, and strongly, last Saturday. The problem is that not enough of their peers agreed.

 
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http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

POSTED 11:03 a.m. EST, February 8, 2007

DISSING OF TAGS RUFFLES LEAGUE OFFICE FEATHERS

We hear that the failure of the Hall of Fame voters to include former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue in the first cut from 17 to 11 candidates on Saturday has caused some hard feelings toward the panel of voters at the league office.

The debate regarding Tagliabue lasted nearly an hour, and it started with a presentation from Peter King of Sports Illustrated on Tags' behalf.

"I failed miserably," King wrote this week in his Monday Morning Quarterback column. "We are prohibited from discussing publicly what was said in the room about the candidates, so I can't tell you exactly what I said or what Tagliabue's detractors said."

But King's weekly NFL news and notes item shares these insights: "There seems to be a movement to wait a year or two or six to judge Tagliabue's tenure and maybe he wasn't the great facilitator and leader of the most prosperous sports league on the planet that for years the public has believed him to be. Waiting for perspective on Tagliabue is odd, seeing that Hall voters installed Pete Rozelle in 1985, with four years left in his term. Had they waited until the end of his term, voters, after putting Rozelle in, would have seen a strike, replacement games, flat TV contracts for three straight years to consider with him. Even if the current labor deal falls apart, there will be football until 2010, four years after Tagliabue left office."

We're hearing (and not from King but from others) that the biggest knock on Tagliabue is the perception that he didn't create the golden goose, but that he merely fell into it. A "right place, right time" deal.

It's hard to disagree completely with that. When the fruit is hanging so low that it's falling into the basket as the cart goes by, it's often difficult to determine what the guy running the show has added to the end result.

Also, Tagliabue has a somewhat aloof, aristocratic air about him. Stuff like that isn't received well by guys who are busting their butts for far less money than what the people they write about are making.

Still, there are signs of deeper problems that festered on Tagliabue's watch. The revenue-sharing mess that pits high-revenue franchises against low-revenue franchises still hasn't been solved -- it merely has been tabled. It very well could hit the fan during Roger Goodell's tenure, especially in light of the fact that the most recent CBA revision allows either side to opt out of the deal early.

Speaking of the CBA, there's still a perception in some circles that Tagliabue was too cozy with NFLPA chief Gene Upshaw. Last year at this time, for example, some eyebrows were raised regarding the union's insistence that the issue of revenue-sharing must be solved by the owners as part of any new agreement. The suspicion was that Upshaw was doing Tagliabue's dirty work by forcing an issue about which, in theory, the union shouldn't really care.

Then there's the ongoing problem of bad behavior. Not long ago, Tagliabue and company bristled at ESPN's fictional portrayal of pro football in the short-lived Playmakers series, arguing that the crime and violence presented an unrealistic depiction of NFL players. Now, Playmakers can fairly be called unrealistic only because it was too tame.

The mere fact that Goodell is regarded as having launched a crackdown on those who violate the substance abuse policy and the steroids policy and the personal conduct policy implies that, previously, things were looser. Over the past year or so, the product of that air of lenience has been a mind-boggling number of player arrests.

With all that said, and with all things considered, we think Tagliabue deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Under his leadership, the NFL crafted a long-term solution to the free-agency conundrum, which (perhaps inadvertently) gave rise to a hot stove league that has transformed pro football into a sport with no real offseason. The new system made players partners with the teams, earmarking a significant chunk of the gross revenues for the funding of their wages. And the installation of a salary cap has created a level of competition that no other professional sports league enjoys, with more teams in the hunt for the playoffs deeper into the season than ever before (and, thus, more people attending the games and watching them on television).

Tagliabue also has been a huge proponent of marketing the product to the billions of people who don't live in the United States. As the Dolphins announced on Wednesday, the first overseas regular-season game drew more than 500,000 ticket requests in 72 hours.

Multiple franchises are worth at least $1 billion, and the television contracts continue to break records every time they are renewed.

So what happened? As one league insider told us Thursday morning, it's a "classic case of a bunch of sportswriters being clueless."

And that brings us back to the point that one of our readers made recently. Why is it that sportswriters are the ones to decide who gets in and who doesn't?

In this specific case, we have a feeling that if the owners had a voice in the process, Tagliabue would have been the first one through the door last weekend.
 
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I got invited to a lecture with Paul Tagliabue next Friday! I'm going to pull some strings and get some face time with the commish. Any questions you guys would like me to ask? I'm giddy about this. I've respected the hell out of Tags for years, and have longed to ask him specifics about the behind the scenes business ops at the NFL.

Ask him why the league took such a light attitude towards concussions and why they didn't use all the information available to them for their reports.
 
ask him why every other major sport in america has such a better international following than football
i know theyve been doing some
but maybe more should be done

there are athletes out there that could become great football players
instead theyre playin socccer, yuch
 
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