Randy Moss to the Pats

[Pats0204]

That Keenan Allen kid from Cal is 6'3 but the bad thing is he's being projected to go much earlier in the draft.

Big- yes, but the knock on Allen from what I've read is he lacks the "elite straight line speed". Not saying that's what we need, just that I'd like to see us target a WR prospect that is both physical and has good speed. Wouldn't we all want that though?

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Plan A: Sign Wes and Julian
Plan B: Sign Wes
Plan C: Sign Julian

Get that sorted out and then

Plan D: upgrade from Branch at #3.

Is Randy an upgrade over Deion? Maybe. But it's probably the 4th best option for executing plan D:
1- youngster in the draft
2- young free agent
3- trade for a burner
4- sign a re-tread like Randy
5- give a practice squad guy a good look
6- bring Deion back

so if you are scoring at home, option D4

 

[goheels22002]

I would take 2012 moss over that jack in the box stiff we have in Lloyd any day

Clearly, you prefer Moss over Lloyd because of something other than production, what do you have in mind?

Randy Moss
2012 regular season: 28 receptions, 434 yards, 3 TDs - Age 35
2012 playoffs: 2 games. 5 receptions, 71 yards, 0 TDs

Brandon Lloyd
2012 regular season: 74 receptions, 911 yards, 4 TDs - Age 31
2012 playoffs: 2 games, 12 receptions, 102 yards, 1 TD

 

[DarrylStingley]

Clearly, you prefer Moss over Lloyd because of something other than production, what do you have in mind?

Randy Moss
2012 regular season: 28 receptions, 434 yards, 3 TDs - Age 35
2012 playoffs: 2 games. 5 receptions, 71 yards, 0 TDs

Brandon Lloyd
2012 regular season: 74 receptions, 911 yards, 4 TDs - Age 31
2012 playoffs: 2 games, 12 receptions, 102 yards, 1 TD

Great post. Nice to see some good content to back up a correct opinion!

Though, in fairness, Brandon's YAC makes me want to YACK! And I better Randy's is better.

 

[Rob0729]

Do we really need a guy who will barely see the field and cannot play special teams? The 49ers receiving corp isn't any better than the Pats and he barely sees the field with them.

 

[Rob0729]

Clearly, you prefer Moss over Lloyd because of something other than production, what do you have in mind?

Randy Moss
2012 regular season: 28 receptions, 434 yards, 3 TDs - Age 35
2012 playoffs: 2 games. 5 receptions, 71 yards, 0 TDs

Brandon Lloyd
2012 regular season: 74 receptions, 911 yards, 4 TDs - Age 31
2012 playoffs: 2 games, 12 receptions, 102 yards, 1 TD

Yeah, but Lloyd sucks. Stats mean nothing when we are factoring in fans' perceptions. Lloyd was just as bad as Ochocinco and we have the numbers to DISPROVE IT! Stop using facts in an argument where stats are irrelevant.

 

[Deus Irae]

I would take 2012 moss over that jack in the box stiff we have in Lloyd any day

Thanks for your take on the comparison, Mrs. Moss.

 

[Rob0729]

Great post. Nice to see some good content to back up a correct opinion!

Though, in fairness, Brandon's YAC makes me want to YACK! And I better Randy's is better.

People are over emphasizing YAC when trashing Lloyd. Some of the best WRs of all time had horrible to mediocre YACs. Marvin Harrison who is a pretty sure HOFer had just as bad YAC and usually caught the ball and dove to the ground or ran out of bounds immediately. His YAC numbers aren't much different than Lloyd's especially after his early years in the league.

 

[everlong]

Is it just me or are the speculation threads worse this year than ever before? I mean every off season has a few but this year you have Mallett for the #6 pick in the draft, Ed Reed, Dwayne Bowe, Randy Moss, Gronk for Revis, Pats really interested in Revis...........I mean the only one even remotely possible in my mind would be the Ed Reed one and I think that's fools gold at best where much like Jason Taylor at the end of the day he likes getting paid more than he likes Bill. Pats should go from about 7:1 to 1:3 in Vegas after all this gets done.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Clearly, you prefer Moss over Lloyd because of something other than production, what do you have in mind?

Randy Moss
2012 regular season: 28 receptions, 434 yards, 3 TDs - Age 35
2012 playoffs: 2 games. 5 receptions, 71 yards, 0 TDs

Brandon Lloyd
2012 regular season: 74 receptions, 911 yards, 4 TDs - Age 31
2012 playoffs: 2 games, 12 receptions, 102 yards, 1 TD

So the "knowledgeable fans" i.e. self-appointed draft gurus, want to discard a 90 catch 1,000 yard receiver, when the discussion is adding tveiving talent.

Y'all forget that the only missing piece in the Pats WR corps in the AFCCG was a deep verticle WR. Pats fans forget they have one under contract in Stallworth already, and the ONE THING Randy Moss is known for is exactly that, the deep verticle reception.

Both have a virtue that others don't. They both are affordable in this CAP constrained year. They both also have played in the system and know it.

Devote this Draft to the Defense.

 

[Rob0729]

So the "knowledgeable fans" i.e. self-appointed draft gurus, want to discard a 90 catch 1,000 yard receiver, when the discussion is adding tveiving talent.

Y'all forget that the only missing piece in the Pats WR corps in the AFCCG was a deep verticle WR. Pats fans forget they have one under contract in Stallworth already, and the ONE THING Randy Moss is known for is exactly that, the deep verticle reception.

Both have a virtue that others don't. They both are affordable in this CAP constrained year. They both also have played in the system and know it.

Devote this Draft to the Defense.

A few things:

• Who is the 90 catch, 1,000 yard receiver? And isn't 74 catches for 911 yards more yards per catch than 90 catches, 1,000 yards?
• I didn't think the lack of a deep threat was clearly the one thing missing from the receiving corp. What would a deep threat do for the Pats going 1-4 in the red zone? What did a lack of a deep threat have to do with Welker dropping a crucial third down pass? Or Ridley fumbling the ball after getting knocked out? Or Hernandez not running out of bounds at the end of the first half and Brady screwing up the clock management right after that? Or Brady throwing a couple of bad picks? Or the defense not being able to stop the Ravens' offense in the second half?
• If anything, the one thing missing from the receiving corp was Gronk. I would bet the Pats would have scored more than one TD in four trips to the red zone if Gronk was in. But even then, he was not the only thing missing from the receiving corp. Other things missing that have nothing to do with a deep threat include WR depth, better blocking by the TEs, and better execution.

This whole blaming the lost last Sunday on a lack of deep threat is just not anaylzing the game. They could have easily won that game on Sunday with better execution and Talib not going down.

 

[PatsDeb]

AAAAHHHHHRRRGGGG! I hate the offseason...

 

[Frezo]

Most often getting the band back together isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

 

[Spiral]

If they let Lloyd go because the don't want to pay him $4.9M in 2013, then Randy, at or near the veteran minimum plus incentives, might be a good pick-up.

 

[goheels22002]

Yeah, but Lloyd sucks. Stats mean nothing when we are factoring in fans' perceptions. Lloyd was just as bad as Ochocinco and we have the numbers to DISPROVE IT! Stop using facts in an argument where stats are irrelevant.

I'm sorry. I forgot. I know that you can twist statistics all sorts of ways to prove almost anything. Ian and those guys set up that great statistical component to this site, and the guys at pro-football-reference and Football Outsiders are amazing, but they are just wasting time better spent sacrificing small animals and howling at the moon to figure out what Belichick should do next.

On a more serious note, Brandon Lloyd turned out to be a solid - not great - but solid investment at $12 million over three years. Knowing he is locked up for the next two years along with Gronk and Hernandez (even longer) is a great starting point for the Welker negotiations, or other receivers.

This is a year to go with youth again, I think. I love Welker, but it's time to add youth and speed in place of Branch and Welker, and start thinking longer term with their money. The other position groups have been re-tooled, and this is last one that needs good players in their mid-20s rather than mid-thirties.

 

[alamo]

What's Stanley Morgan doing these days? We should get him.

A much better choice would be Gino Cappelletti. Not only could he play receiver, he could take over for Gostowski. Two problems solved by one player (that's the type of roster-saving versatility Bill loves).

Yes, he's been retired a year, but so was Moss and he came back successfully so that shouldn't be a problem.

 

[reflexblue]

I've been seeing some chatter online about the possibility of getting Moss back next year...

Any thoughts about him coming back? Would you welcome him? How feasible is it?

Moss at Wide out, Herno, Gronk, Ballard, Lloyd/Wes

No The Force is no longer with him.

 

[Haley]

Yeah, but Lloyd sucks. Stats mean nothing when we are factoring in fans' perceptions. Lloyd was just as bad as Ochocinco and we have the numbers to DISPROVE IT! Stop using facts in an argument where stats are irrelevant.

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[Steve102]

How much is this Moss just wishing to come home? Love Randy, will root for him Sunday, but the ship is sailed for him on Route 1. Pats need a young guy, not an old guy.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Won't happen. Moss can still be productive (see: this year), but he isn't even close to the player that he was in 2009, let alone 2007. The only defense that he really succeeded in 'taking the top off' of was ours. He isn't what we need.

I would much rather see the Pats go and spend a draft pick on Tavon Austin, as admittedly risky as that would be (since it would likely have to be a 1st rounder, maybe 2nd).