The Chung issue

[fgssand]

Chung? Eugene Chung??

Dissapointing first round offensive lineman from 1992? 13th payer overall in that draft, three seasons with NE and damn near got Drew killed in his rookie year.

Oh Patrick Chung, right, wsted 2nd rounder, showed great promise until he could not raise his game to a high level, I for one thought he would. When he decided to go for that fake punt call in a playoff game and botch it he was never quite the same. Too bad, good kid, ended up as a piss poor player.

No more Chungs please - I don't even want any part of Connie Chung at this point.

 

[Nunchucks]

As a former Chung apologist, I would have to say that his time here looks to be at an end. I don't mind giving him a new deal on the Cheap, but he really has not made the most of his opportunities.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Chung came into the league as one of the better safety prospects in his rookie class or the year before him. He never improved enough to play all 3 downs.

The PROBLEM is that the Patriots have maybe the worst secondary coaching in the entire league. Name ONE player who has actually improved significantly in the secondary due to Patriot coaching?

The Patriots spent a lot of 1st round and 2nd round draft picks for 3 years in a row on multiple corners and safeties. Almost none of them got better. That is on coaching when zero of your players improve.

 

[jnug]

If the receiver can just elevate to a level above you that you just cannot achieve or can hold you off while he catches the ball just because of his size, there is very little about coaching that will resolve those issues. We need some bigger more physical people ala' Talib and either the Pats realize it now and get them or they don't

 

[Mack Herron]

Pats have not done well selecting or developing DBs. But as has been pointed out, they don't flourish elsewhere either, so that would point to lack of talent. I hope Tavon Wilson proves to be an exception, but the early returns there are not encouraging.

 

[Sicilian]

Pats have not done well selecting or developing DBs. But as has been pointed out, they don't flourish elsewhere either, so that would point to lack of talent. I hope Tavon Wilson proves to be an exception, but the early returns there are not encouraging.

I haven't re-watched the Ravens game, so I can't comment there, but I thought Wilson did a good job on Owen Daniels in the chances he got against Houston. His rookie year was up and down for sure, but I saw enough good things to feel optimistic that he can find a good role on this team.

 

[Hudson Pats Fan]

I say bring Arrington back because A) he's not going to cost you anything. B) While you don't want him starting, he CAN fill in and play decent in specific roles. And C) Right now without Talib signed, and assuming McCourty is staying at safety, we have Dennard, Cole, and Dowling at CB. Even with Talib, we're probably looking to add two more corners anyway, so you might as well keep Arrington for his special teams and bring in bodies to hopefully beat him out for corner snaps.

I think we should keep Arrington around for special teams which is where he is actually a good player. He made his way onto the team as a ST player and was more or less forced into the 1st unit of D out of injury/poor drafting at the CB spot. I'm fine with him as CB depth and sometimes at the nickel spot on the slot wr.

 

[PP2]

God what the hell happened to him? At one point in like early 2010 he looked so promising.

He was always a liability in coverage. That was the knock on him right from the start. The hope was that he could improve on it, but he just can't. He did make the effort, about two years ago, in training camp, but his ceiling is just not that high, and everyone knows it, including him.

This is why he makes so many mistakes, because he feels he has to cheat to compensate for his inability to cover, and consequently you see him often take bad angles, give too much of a cushion, or simply get caught out of position.

 

[Jimke]

Pats have not done well selecting or developing DBs. But as has been pointed out, they don't flourish elsewhere either, so that would point to lack of talent. I hope Tavon Wilson proves to be an exception, but the early returns there are not encouraging.

We don't have Eric Mangini to develop the young backs.

 

[DocHoliday]

He's an undersized strong safety in a coverage-starved secondary that needs two coverage free safeties because it's corners cannot cover.

Meaning its a bad fit, we move on.

 

[BKBroiler]

The PROBLEM is that the Patriots have maybe the worst secondary coaching in the entire league. Name ONE player who has actually improved significantly in the secondary due to Patriot coaching?

I don't think it has been the worst, but it seems to have been below par the past few years. Personally, I do think it would be beneficial to make a change somewhere.

Corwin Brown was a former NFL DB and was with the team in 2010 to help coach the DB's. With Corwin Brown helping Josh Boyer, both McCourty and Arrington looked to be making serious strides - McCourty a potential all-pro and Arrington a potential above average starter. However, he was only here for that year, and since, McCourty has been moved to safety because of struggles at CB and Arrington seems to have topped out and even regressed.

Now its Josh Boyer (CB's) and Brian Flores (safeties), neither of which have ever played a down as a DB in the NFL or Division I football. Flores played LB for BC and Boyer was a DB for a small school in the lower divisions.

I'm not saying to bring back Brown, but having a former DB with high-level playing experience did seem to help some of these younger DBs learn the nuances of the position that year (McCourty's timing to turn and look for the ball, etc.).

 

[Ring 6]

Chung should change his last name to Dung because he played like **** and isn't getting better.....almost Meriweather like.

Let Patrick and Kyle hold hands in Belichick's office while he cuts both their asses

A lousy safety and even worse cornerback

Replacing those 2 bums along with a soft playing Gregory and then the secondary will be instantly improved.

You really have a personal hatred for players don't you?

By the way, reports are that negotiations with Arrington are underway and he wishes to stay.

 

[Ring 6]

Chung is as gone as gone gets.
He surely sees himself as a starter, and he lost his starting job.
He will go to a different team that has a higher opinion of his level of talent.

 

[Ring 6]

He was always a liability in coverage. That was the knock on him right from the start. The hope was that he could improve on it, but he just can't. He did make the effort, about two years ago, in training camp, but his ceiling is just not that high, and everyone knows it, including him.

This is why he makes so many mistakes, because he feels he has to cheat to compensate for his inability to cover, and consequently you see him often take bad angles, give too much of a cushion, or simply get caught out of position.

I'm sure he made the effort for his entire career. Sometimes people on this board (not saying you) act like players just go out there, fail, don't care, and the fans care more about their play than they do. Its silly.
I'm sure Chung effort was exemplary, but his skills just were lacking, mostly IMO in instincts and judgment on the field.

 

[Nikolai]

He was a big time binky of mine in 2009 and 2010, and I'd have loved to see him develop into his expectations, but it didn't happen.

Time to turn the page.

 

[PATRlOT]

Played noticeably well against the Jaguars this year. But that was the Jaguars.

He didn't really stand out to me when he got playing time in other games.

I thought it was a given for a while now that he wasn't going to be coming back

 

[Deus Irae]

God what the hell happened to him? At one point in like early 2010 he looked so promising.

He's the same player he's always been. That's the problem.

 

[aztecafut]

There is no Chung issue. He's a FA, and it's not in the team's interest to retain him. You can only carry so many roster spots or allocate so much cap space to a given position, and to allocate any space or money to a defensive back with Chung's coverage liabilities would be an egregious error.

Exactly... Same thing happened to Merriweather. He looked promising his first few seasons and then, either because of lack of effort or talent, he started looking worse and worse. Only difference is, even though Merriweather seemed to be in the doghouse late in his last season, he still managed to get on the field for part of the game. Chung on the other hand, rarely saw the field the last half of the season so I think he's definitely gone.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I's be giddy as a schoolgirl if Don Banks is right in his first mock draft at SI, and Matt Elam is there at our spot at the end of round 1.

Mock thoughts: Elam at safety - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Elam is what we all wanted Chung to be.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I dunno what the issue is. He sucks and he's a free agent. The Pats should be pumped that they no longer have to waste a roster spot on him.