Sophie's choice. Talib or Welker?

[Patradomous]

If you had your choice who stays who goes?

I say Talib stays. You have enough offense and Edeleman is Welker light if you can keep him on the field.
I hate seeing Welker go without a ring.
But in my opinon its time to change the philosophy of this team. Brady is getting older let him go back to managing a efficient offense and get back to defense.
Also when Brady hang it up the new man in town won't have to be superman but good enough to manage an adequote.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Lol at this thread title!

 

[RobertWeathers]

Lol at this thread title!

Whos Nathan and who is Stingo.

Welker seems like the Stingo type.

 

[Marqui]

I'd go with Talib. I'm kinda done with the whole being the 2000 Colts thing.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

Lol at this thread title!

Totally. I've been so down in the dumps since the game, reading that sophisticated decidedly non-football-board reference made me break out into a big smile for the 1st time since the 3rd quarter Sunday night.

 

[IllegalContact]

I say talib

the offensive roster is scheme diverse.

although I believe 'cheaping out' on the WR position will likely cause problems

 

[satz]

Funny title.

Still why do you contradict yourself. you want brady to manage an efficient offense yet want to get rid of his most efficient and productive wide receiver he has. You want a system when brady manages , meaning alot of screens and WR who can gain YAC and help there QB. Yet want to get rid of the best Screen and YAC guy he has.

Current WR on the roster.

Brandon Lloyd, Matthew Slater, Kamar Aiken, Jeremy Ebert, Andre Holmes

You believe adding Edelman to the above group make brady efficient ?. I have not idea how . right every team #1CB is covering Wes . by not resignig him you are going to let the #1CB cover Lloyd. i bet his production goes down from what is doing now .

We need a physical #1CB type , not sure if talib is the quy as he is hurt quite a bit even in TB.

Are YOU the one who is happy with the CAP space the pats saved and had leftover in 2012 by signing fananer over bryant who has a monster year for the seahawks. Did the cap room make you happy after the loss.btw, we still had cap space last year. we did get value for fanane.

 

[Wilfork#75]

It all comes down to the financial, but I would certainly feel more comfortable giving Welker a big contract than Talib. Off field issues aside (which obviously have to be taken into consideration), Welker has been a more consistent performer for a long period of time. You can downplay the production, look at the drops and say he is a product of the system, but he is the 2nd most productive WR in the NFL over the last 6 years. He has a great relationship with Brady, understands the system better than any WR and flat out performs every time he steps on the field. Football is a game of 60min, so I think its ridiculous to judge a player off a few plays. To me the 672 catches for 7459 yards and 37 TD's over the past 6 seasons tells me a hell of a lot more than a few drops, even if they are in key situations.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Given the obscenely tragic subject matter of Styron's brilliant and wrenching book, the thread title is jarring, completely inappropriate and, indeed, offensive to some of us. It trivializes what Styron accomplished in his masterpiece.

If what the OP meant to say is: "A tough choice. Talib or Welker?," then my view is this:

If this is indeed a Zero Sum game (and I don't know that it is), in which the Pats have to let one go in order to retain the other, then I would argue to keep Talib and let Welker go, with profound regrets.

Talib has become far more important, relatively speaking, to the D than Welker, as brilliant as he is, is to the O. The Pats failure during the second half of Sunday's game was a product of many factors on both sides of the ball, but the difference in the success of Baltimore's Offense with and without Talib on the field cannot be ignored; Harbaugh said after the game that they were able to do a lot more things in the second half.

 

[patsfaninpa]

It all comes down to the financial, but I would certainly feel more comfortable giving Welker a big contract than Talib. Off field issues aside (which obviously have to be taken into consideration), Welker has been a more consistent performer for a long period of time. You can downplay the production, look at the drops and say he is a product of the system, but he is the 2nd most productive WR in the NFL over the last 6 years. He has a great relationship with Brady, understands the system better than any WR and flat out performs every time he steps on the field. Football is a game of 60min, so I think its ridiculous to judge a player off a few plays. To me the 672 catches for 7459 yards and 37 TD's over the past 6 seasons tells me a hell of a lot more than a few drops, even if they are in key situations.

It's as simple as you put it if the money works Wilfork. A stable, guaranteed, clutch all-pro player over a talented player with numerous off the field issues. When you step back from the ledge it's a no-brainer.

Now, if you want to decide Vollmer or Talib. Let's talk. We have Talib's issues. But, Vollmer has a balky back. And, plays at a position easier to fill. If Talib is reasonable, I'd sign him over Seabass.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Lol at this thread title!

What, exactly, is funny about it?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Well, Wes can actually stay on the field, so....

 

[Big-T]

Talib.

Younger and more important to the team - him leaving the game on Sunday showed that.

There's a lot of good WRs in the draft and FA this year so Welker could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player who does the same job (Amendola) or a younger player who can do the same and more but cost roughly the same (Jennings).

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Funny title.

...

Please explain to me what is "Funny" about comparing the hypothesized choice between Welker and Talib to the life and death choice, capturing the agony of an entire era, that infuses Styron's book. I see nothing "funny" at all therein.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Given the obscenely tragic subject matter of Styron's brilliant and wrenching book, the thread title is jarring, completely inappropriate and, indeed, offensive to some of us. It trivializes what Styron accomplished in his masterpiece.

If what the OP meant to say is: "An Hobson's Choice. Talib or Welker?," then my view is this:

If this is indeed a Zero Sum game (and I don't know that it is), in which the Pats have to let one go in order to retain the other, then I would argue to keep Talib and let Welker go, with profound regrets.

Talib has become far more important, relatively speaking, to the D than Welker, as brilliant as he is, is to the O. The Pats failure during the second half of Sunday's game was a product of many factors on both sides of the ball, but the difference in the success of Baltimore's Offense with and without Talib on the field cannot be ignored; Harbaugh said after the game that they were able to do a lot more things in the second half.

Talib was on the field for half a quarter and two series while Caldwell was trying to establish the run. Had Welker not been on that field the Ravens might have shut us out.

 

[satz]

Please explain to me what is "Funny" about comparing the hypothesized choice between Welker and Talib to the life and death choice, capturing the agony of an entire era, that infuses Styron's book. I see nothing "funny" at all therein.

Because they are not related. Wes plays WR and Talib plays CB. having a No1 WR has not stopped any team paying for No1 CB on another other team than the pats in the league.

Even after paying 11 million to WES , we where under the cap space!.
that included a signing bonus for fanane in there. Gronk and hernandaz where also sign this year....even after all this we where under the cap.

now to claim that somehow there is NO cap space so we have to let one go is crazy. I will bet that even if we sign all the guys we want we will again be UNDER THE CAP THIS YEAR.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Talib.

Younger and more important to the team - him leaving the game on Sunday showed that.

There's a lot of good WRs in the draft and FA this year so Welker could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player who does the same job (Amendola) or a younger player who can do the same and more but cost roughly the same (Jennings).

There is no guarantee you can replace production in this offense with a FA or drafted WR. History has taught us that. They have also struggled to replace performance with drafted and FA corners, although not to the extent they have receivers in this offense. If the choice includes which guy you trust to perform with a 3-4 year deal and double digit guaranteed money in hand, Welker despite his age is the far better bet to.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Talib was on the field for half a quarter and two series while Caldwell was trying to establish the run. Had Welker not been on that field the Ravens might have shut us out.

This falls in the category of the "unknowable" since it is purely hypothetical, but one could argue that they were focused on the run earlier in the game precisely because of the challenge that a Talib-enabled D presented. We can't know what Caldwell would or wouldn't have done if Talib had played the entire game.

As for Welker's contribution, I was pretty careful not to gainsay his value to the team in my comment. The OP presented us with a "one or the other" choice and that was the context of my comment.

 

[Wilfork#75]

It's as simple as you put it if the money works Wilfork. A stable, guaranteed, clutch all-pro player over a talented player with numerous off the field issues. When you step back from the ledge it's a no-brainer.

Now, if you want to decide Vollmer or Talib. Let's talk. We have Talib's issues. But, Vollmer has a balky back. And, plays at a position easier to fill. If Talib is reasonable, I'd sign him over Seabass.

If we were in a situation where we could only keep two of the three, I would look to sign Welker and Talib and tag and trade Vollmer. Vollmer would probably have the most trade value and also command a higher salary than both. OT would also probably be the easiest position to fill. To do this I think we would have to sign Talib and agree to terms with Welker, but not make it official until after the trade and Vollmer's franchise tag would be off the books (about $9.6mil). I would love to keep all three, but if we can't I think this is the best alternative.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It's as simple as you put it if the money works Wilfork. A stable, guaranteed, clutch all-pro player over a talented player with numerous off the field issues. When you step back from the ledge it's a no-brainer.

WW is incredibly productive and should be retained but I seriously question what makes him clutch.