We need a Rodney back.

[DocHoliday]

Yeah, it's not leadership it's the willingness to beat up WRs and give them alligator arms.

Everytime I saw the pass to the flat I hoped I would see someone run across field and smash them as soon as they caught the ball.

Nope.

 

[manxman2601]

Do you want a SS who can hit or a SS who can cover? They're almost completely mutually exclusive, and I'd be a lot more interested in getting a guy who defends the pass better than the run.

I think BB agrees with you and is why we have three big guys at LB to avoid having to put an eighth man in the box. Personally I see McCourty as the guy who can come up in run support when needed as well as playing a deeper coverage safety whilst an Ed Reed or David Amerson type can be used to play almost exclusively deep.

 

[ChoWZa]

Spikes, btw, can take all his swagger to the unemployment line because he's a huge liability because he's slow and can't cover, period. He's a one dimensional player, and while he may be a good in the run game in the passing game it's like playing one man down. You think Spikes was going to run Kaepernick down? If we retain Talib, LB is the single most important position we that needs addressing in the offseason.

 

[Sciz]

Spikes, btw, can take all his swagger to the unemployment line because he's a huge liability because he's slow and can't cover, period. He's a one dimensional player, and while he may be a good in the run game in the passing game it's like playing one man down. You think Spikes was going to run Kaepernick down? If we retain Talib, LB is the single most important position we that needs addressing in the offseason.

So what this thread is telling me is that big safeties that can hit hard but can't cover are essential and that the Pats need one, but big linebackers that can hit hard but can't cover are bad and that the Pats should get rid of them.

People need to make up their damn minds.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Lawyer Milloy. John Lynch. Rodney Harrison. Troy Polamalu. Bob Sanders. Safeties that set the tone for their defense, and will decleat you. This SB will feature Ed Reed, Bernard Pollard, Dashon Goldson, and Donte Whitner, four mean safeties. We need a guy like that, who won't make stupid mental errors the way Brandon Meriweather did. I thought we were getting that when we drafted Patrick Chung, but apparently not. Devin McCourty is a nice ball hawking defensive back, but he is not a tone setter.

well dashon goldson came in for a visit when he was a free agent, but the ownership doesn't always like to open the wallet up

 

[DocHoliday]

So what this thread is telling me is that big safeties that can hit hard but can't cover are essential and that the Pats need one, but big linebackers that can hit hard but can't cover are bad and that the Pats should get rid of them.

People need to make up their damn minds.

If you're too slow you can't hit hard. Since by definition you're not catching the players.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Spikes, btw, can take all his swagger to the unemployment line because he's a huge liability because he's slow and can't cover, period. He's a one dimensional player, and while he may be a good in the run game in the passing game it's like playing one man down. You think Spikes was going to run Kaepernick down? If we retain Talib, LB is the single most important position we that needs addressing in the offseason.

it's too late. the team has already built their LB corps on mayo, spikes and hightower, all of whom are young and aren't going anywhere soon

 

[Sciz]

If you're too slow you can't hit hard. Since by definition you're not catching the players.

That's bad reasoning. Spikes destroyed plenty of guys this season despite his 5.05 speed.

 

[Sciz]

well dashon goldson came in for a visit when he was a free agent, but the ownership doesn't always like to open the wallet up

After watching him get smoked by Julio Jones (although even Welker would have blown by him given how badly he played it), is that surprising? Heck, the 49ers didn't want to either.

 

[Hart Lee Chung]

It sounds like you are asking for someone who will placate you by sounding like a tough guy in interviews.

Interviews? Who cares?

Someone on the field that not only plays with attitude, but pushes that energy to the rest of the team. Someone that plays right up and sometimes through the whistle.

Spikes showed hints of it, but the Pats need more. Someone to knock down Boldin and make him pay for his actions. The hit on Pitta was the right idea, but it was a flash in the pan. One and done.

 

[SVN]

Pats lack strong fiesty leadership on defense which can challenge the coaches and even brady's offense on the team. Wilfork mayo are great leaders but somewhat passive. Need the other kind to make it a complete group,

 

[hellolin]

Pats lack strong fiesty leadership on defense which can challenge the coaches and even brady's offense on the team. Wilfork mayo are great leaders but somewhat passive. Need the other kind to make it a complete group,

we lack anyone who can fire BB up, before that guy was Charlie Wies...

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

I don't like how Bill puts a muzzle on every man on this team. Has them all speaking cliches and not giving any bulletin board material.

I like a team that runs it mouth, trash talks, is in your face. That's how the Jets were when they came up here and beat us. That's how the Ravens have been when they've beaten us 2 out of 3 times in the postseason since 2009.

They ran their mouths, basically showed the Patriots a lack of respect, and acted like they weren't afraid of the Patriots. I just feel like in all these losses we've been the less physical, less aggressive team, and I think the not-too-high-not-too-low culture that Bill has established is great for the long regular season but isn't as effective in the playoffs.

And I'd love a guy like Pollard even with the 15 yard penalties he takes. His bone crunching hit on Welker that was flagged set the stage for Welker's 3rd down drop in my opinion. And he obviously destroyed Ridley.

 

[Ring 6]

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

How do you know that?

From every game I've seen on TV

You can not judge leadership on TV


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[Wilfork#75]

I too would like to add a big physical safety to our secondary. Someone to make WR's think twice about going over the middle. Even though I'm probably in the minority, I love TJ McDonald from USC. He's got good size, is a great athlete and can put on a hit. He needs to reign it in a little because he has a history of helmet to helmet penalties, but he would instantly add a physical presence and attitude at the back which we haven't had since Rodney.

 

[Kontradiction]

That's bad reasoning. Spikes destroyed plenty of guys this season despite his 5.05 speed.

Eh that's not really true. The majority of his destructive hits came on running plays or plays where he was already in front of his man. The Ravens started having success through the air when they started pinpointing our LB's which forced our safeties to move up. It's one of the reasons why some around here made a big deal about Dane Fletcher's loss.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

We do desperately need a difference maker at safety - I've been saying that for years. McCourty's fine but he doesn't cause other teams to rethink their game plans or receivers to take a peek before they get smashed. A smart, hard-nosed SS would revolutionize this defense just as Rodney did - the dude who started the thread is quite correct.

A fast, young, big WR, and a fast, young, big SS added to this team just as it stands and we win the SB. It's that simple. The problem is these are two positions BB just can't seem to hit on.

 

[Gronkandez]

Spikes, Hightower, Mayo, and Wilfork have that attitude, that confident swagger, that physical presence that says "you don't want to mess with me!"

It would be nice to find a safety and a DB with those attributes as well, I admit.

I was thinking about this swagger thing last night. Wilfolk, Mayo, and McCourty are the leaders of the defense. They all are good players and seems like nice guys but we need a few nasty a-holea back there. Remember Rodney, McGinest and Milloy? They were alway pissed off and had a chip on their shoulders.

Spikes has "swagger" but since he isn't of the leaders it doesn't seem to rub off on the other guys.

 

[b72s]

Goldshon SF Safety is he not a FA

 

[Wilfork#75]

I would also like a safety that can blitz too. Our defense hasn't been very exotic in terms of blitzing and I think its because of a lack of confidence in our safeties. Get someone that can not only free up our LBers to blitz, but also make plays in the backfield themselves.