Where Is The Pats Deep Threat At????

[Rob0729]

Unless you get a stud deep threat or a player who can be more than just a deep threat, deep threats are overrated. In all honesty, you only really use a deep threat a handful of plays. An outside threat like Lloyd is more important because they have to be accounted for on every play.

 

[borg]

Yet, Lloyd has more yards per catch than either Hernandez or Welker. And has more first down catches than any player on the team. Absolute hot garbage.

Comparing a 1 trick fall down pony verses 2 over the top versatile pass catchers with wiggle to avoid tackles that work all areas of the field from screens behind the LOS to crossing patterns to posts? Lloyd is planning his bailout in the huddle. Thanks to the ineffectiveness of the Lloyd "threat", Welker is now the Pats deep threat. I'd dump Lloyd in a split second if it meant getting Welker back in the slot with a legit mid to deep threat that can win the 50/50 battles. Gronk, Hernandez,and Welker are first down machines so why play them out of position(ex. Welker as deep threat?) so Lloyd can perform his catch and drop act. Versatility....not utility!! This receiving corp is flawed and seems to get exposed that last playoff game every year.

 

[Claremonster]

Unless you get a stud deep threat or a player who can be more than just a deep threat, deep threats are overrated. In all honesty, you only really use a deep threat a handful of plays. An outside threat like Lloyd is more important because they have to be accounted for on every play.

I assumed the stud part was an obvious understanding among all of us.

Of course the Pats need a stud deep threat. That is one of the major factors that the Pats need.

That and a stud strong safety and a stud defensive end for a pass rush. Other major factors that are sorely lacking for the Pats.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

13 points yesterday
Lloyd had 6 YAC in playoffs
Brady has to be perfect on all deep passes because our deep threat Welker can't jump or extend his arms past his ears. (Sorry Wes...luv ya still)
Just give Brady viable options in all sectors of the field.....How this roster is constructed, the Pats have no down field threat to WIN the 50/50 battles....its all on Brady being perfect over the top.

Can you answer the questions I posted. How come the deep threat didn't change things in 2007 or 2009 postseason if this is the problem? And who was the deep threat while we won 3 super bowl rings?

 

[Claremonster]

Can you answer the questions I posted. How come the deep threat didn't change things in 2007 or 2009 postseason if this is the problem? And who was the deep threat while we won 3 super bowl rings?

2001
T Brown, F Coleman, B Emanuel, T Glenn, C Jackson, C Johnson, D Patten, T Small

2003
D Ward, B Johnson, T Brown, D Patten, D Givens, D Branch, JJ Stokes

2004
B Johnson, T Brown, D Patten, D Givens, D Branch, K Kasper

 

[Sciz]

I assumed the stud part was an obvious understanding among all of us.

Of course the Pats need a stud deep threat. That is one of the major factors that the Pats need.

That and a stud strong safety and a stud defensive end for a pass rush. Other major factors that are sorely lacking for the Pats.

And how many "stud deep threats" are there in the NFL? And how many of them are making less than $10M a year?

 

[Claremonster]

And how many "stud deep threats" are there in the NFL? And how many of them are making less than $10M a year?

All of them on their rookie contracts.

Welker's best days are behind him. Time to move on.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

2001
T Brown, F Coleman, B Emanuel, T Glenn, C Jackson, C Johnson, D Patten, T Small

2003
D Ward, B Johnson, T Brown, D Patten, D Givens, D Branch, JJ Stokes

2004
B Johnson, T Brown, D Patten, D Givens, D Branch, K Kasper

You would honestly consider any of those guys a significantly better 'deep threat' than Lloyd or Welker? Heck, even Matt Slater

 

[Claremonster]

You would honestly consider any of those guys a significantly better 'deep threat' than Lloyd or Welker? Heck, even Matt Slater

Welker isn't a deep threat. He is a slot. In the middle. Lloyd is more a middle guy as well. They are NOT deep threats. I guess Slater would be considered a deep threat, but, do the Pats ever try to use him as one? Only as a decoy usually.

 

[Sciz]

All of them on their rookie contracts.

Give me some names.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Unless you get a stud deep threat or a player who can be more than just a deep threat, deep threats are overrated. In all honesty, you only really use a deep threat a handful of plays. An outside threat like Lloyd is more important because they have to be accounted for on every play.

Im one of the few that believes that lloyd had a very good season. Brady has said that he gets open a lot of times and doesn't get the ball. I also believe that Lloyd would be much better suited in Branches roster spot. He's a very reliable possession receiver and he was great at finding the soft spots in between the corner and safety. At the same time a lot of what I saw the Pats doing earlier in the year with the back shoulder throws would be much better suited for a faster, bigger wideout. I agree that a deep threat shouldn't only be "a deep threat" but rather a complete receiver with the ability to command safety help or beat you consistently 1 on 1.

 

[Claremonster]

Im one of the few that believes that lloyd had a very good season. Brady has said that he gets open a lot of times and doesn't get the ball. I also believe that Lloyd would be much better suited in Branches roster spot. He's a very reliable possession receiver and he was great at finding the soft spots in between the corner and safety. At the same time a lot of what I saw the Pats doing earlier in the year with the back shoulder throws would be much better suited for a faster, bigger wideout. I agree that a deep threat shouldn't only be "a deep threat" but rather a complete receiver with the ability to command safety help or beat you consistently 1 on 1.

I didn't say that Lloyd had a bad year or is bad receiver. He just isn't a deep threat. He doesn't have break away speed. He is good catching the mid throws.

What the Pats need is a STUD deep threat.

 

[Rob0729]

I assumed the stud part was an obvious understanding among all of us.

Of course the Pats need a stud deep threat. That is one of the major factors that the Pats need.

That and a stud strong safety and a stud defensive end for a pass rush. Other major factors that are sorely lacking for the Pats.

How many stud deep threats are there in the league? Most teams don't have one. Maybe 5-6 teams do.

 

[Claremonster]

Give me some names.

I'm not a draft guru, most likely, they're going to be in next years draft.

Who are the best deep threats coming in the upcoming draft?

 

[Claremonster]

How many stud deep threats are there in the league? Most teams don't have one. Maybe 5-6 teams do.

I agree. But, the Pats are in need of one either way.

 

[Rob0729]

Comparing a 1 trick fall down pony verses 2 over the top versatile pass catchers with wiggle to avoid tackles that work all areas of the field from screens behind the LOS to crossing patterns to posts? Lloyd is planning his bailout in the huddle. Thanks to the ineffectiveness of the Lloyd "threat", Welker is now the Pats deep threat. I'd dump Lloyd in a split second if it meant getting Welker back in the slot with a legit mid to deep threat that can win the 50/50 battles. Gronk, Hernandez,and Welker are first down machines so why play them out of position(ex. Welker as deep threat?) so Lloyd can perform his catch and drop act. Versatility....not utility!! This receiving corp is flawed and seems to get exposed that last playoff game every year.

Lloyd was a dud. All the guy gave you when he caught the ball was first downs. Getting first downs are overrated. I would rather have a guy who could give you a 60 yard catch on 6th or 7th downs (the Pats have unlimited downs right?) than a guy who can convert a 3rd and 8 for you and fall to the ground. Totally needless to have a guy who can convert downs.

Seriously, your argument makes no sense. Lloyd was the guy who got the Pats a first down when they needed a first down on a lot of occassions. That is a huge contribution to this offense.

Yes, it would be great if Lloyd could get yards after the catch more often, but he gets a lot of first downs and he is open down the field more than most of the other receivers and provides an outside threat. That made this offense much better this year even with Hernandez hurt and Gronk missing a third of the season.

 

[Sciz]

I agree. But, the Pats are in need of one either way.

You really need to get over this "need" stuff. The 49ers don't have a stud deep threat, and they're in the Super Bowl. The Ravens have a deep threat, but he had fewer yards than Lloyd this season and didn't have anything over 25 yards yesterday. The Falcons have one of the true deep threats, but they didn't get any further in the playoffs than the Pats. The Lions have the best deep threat, and they didn't even make the playoffs.

If the Pats absolutely need a deep threat, why is there seemingly no correlation between deep threats and making it to the Super Bowl?

 

[Claremonster]

You really need to get over this "need" stuff. The 49ers don't have a stud deep threat, and they're in the Super Bowl. The Ravens have a deep threat, but he had fewer yards than Lloyd this season and didn't have anything over 25 yards yesterday. The Falcons have one of the true deep threats, but they didn't get any further in the playoffs than the Pats. The Lions have the best deep threat, and they didn't even make the playoffs.

If the Pats absolutely need a deep threat, why is there seemingly no correlation between deep threats and making it to the Super Bowl?

Yet, the 49er's and Ravens defense is far superior in talent and tenacity than the Pats. Another major need for the Pats.

A deep threat is a major need. How the hell could you even disagree with this?

 

[Rob0729]

I agree. But, the Pats are in need of one either way.

They don't need one. A stud deep threat was not the reason they lost yesterday or in the Super Bowl last year. If Gronk was healthy in the Super Bowl last year, the Pats probably win that game without a deep or outside threat.

A deep threat is a nice or even great to have, but certainly not a neccessity. Other than resigning Welker or getting a replacement, I don't see upgrading the receiving corp in any way other than depth as a huge need especially compared to other needs on the team. Assuming we sign or replace Welker, here are my list of needs in somewhat order:

• Resign Talib or get a replacement
• A starting safety
• Interior pass rusher
• Edge rusher
• Resign Vollmer or get a replacement
• A LB who can cover on passing downs
• Guard help and depth on the o-line

I would put all those needs ahead of a deep threat especially since Gronk can fill the need as a deep threat and has quite a bit over the last two years.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

Brady doesnt take anymore shots down the field so or throw a good deep ball