Will Talib be here next year?

[patsinthesnow]

We should resign him to a deal with heavy incentives. If he stays on the field, he is worth AT LEAST $6M a year to the team. Not saying he'll get that but I would like something that averages around $4-5M per based on incentives.

People are crapping on Arrington but letting him go would be a mistake. Don't let the fact that we don't have any good depth at outside CB cloud your thinking here. In the slot and on ST Arrington is very valuable to this team, watching Cole in the slot proves this!! The solution isn't ditchng Arrington, the solution is finding a reliable backup at outside CB so in case of injury we can keep Arrington where he's useful.

A shutdown CB is worth way more than 5-6 mil a year. I'm happy if we paid him 8-9 per with injury clauses and whatnot.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't see the Pats spending a lot of money on Talib. His injury history and off the field problems are going to scare the Pats and most teams from giving him a big deal.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

A shutdown CB is worth way more than 5-6 mil a year. I'm happy if we paid him 8-9 per with injury clauses and whatnot.

He's not a shutdown CB though.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I know when Aquataliban went down, that was my first "oh shoot" moment of the game. I was pretty confident about our chances until that point.

We've had a mixed record filling the CB spots through the draft. We might get another serviceable corner or two through free agency, but I don't see us picking up a plug-and-play upgrade through the draft. It just looks easy in retrospect when you focus on guys that ended up as good as they were supposed to be.

 

[patsinthesnow]

He's not a shutdown CB though.

He's pretty damn good though. Revis is the only shutdown CB in the league anyways. I thought Sherman was until he got torched in the playoffs, and Champ is toast.

I'm just scared of the CB position going in a tailspin when a simple resign gives us our best CB duo since Law/Poole. Who will start across from Dennard if he leaves? Another rookie? Dowling (lol)? A moderate priced vet....

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

He's pretty damn good though. Revis is the only shutdown CB in the league anyways. I thought Sherman was until he got torched in the playoffs, and Champ is toast.

I'm just scared of the CB position going in a tailspin when a simple resign gives us our best CB duo since Law/Poole. Who will start across from Dennard if he leaves? Another rookie? Dowling (lol)? A moderate priced vet....

If he was more durable and didn't have the off the field concerns, no doubt in my mind he'd command at least $8-9M per, based on the contracts I've seen recently for solid but non-shutdown CB's. He is very good and his leadership had a huge effect too. I just think with the concerns listed it's going to be difficult for him to find a contract in the $8-9M per range. I think $6-7M per would be tops for him elsewhere and if he likes it in NE as much as he says he does, we should be able to sign him for a small discount. At least I'm hoping.

 

[Joey007]

First off, Im willing to let Vollmer walk, too much money. Then give Welker his deal. Then maybe we could use the tag on Talib??

 

[DocHoliday]

First off, Im willing to let Vollmer walk, too much money. Then give Welker his deal. Then maybe we could use the tag on Talib??

With a 36 year old QB, your RT >>>>> any WR.

 

[Luke Skywelker]

Will be interesting to see how the Talib situation plays out - he's the best FA CB on the market and CB's are coveted in the pass happy NFL, in his prime contract year but finished the season talking about how NE was football heaven. The injury history is concerning - he gets dinged easy. The hip wasn't necessarily a fall that keeps most players out, the hammy looked like nothing but striding out a jog. Let's see how supply/demand works out there. If there is one thing we do know, BB has no clue how to draft a CB, just not sure if he feels that way.

 

[mgteich]

Given who will be available, we will lucky to be able to re-sign Talib and Arrington, our starters at corner and nickel back. More likely, we will a weaker secondary in 2013.

 

[zipster9]

If he was more durable and didn't have the off the field concerns, no doubt in my mind he'd command at least $8-9M per, based on the contracts I've seen recently for solid but non-shutdown CB's. He is very good and his leadership had a huge effect too. I just think with the concerns listed it's going to be difficult for him to find a contract in the $8-9M per range. I think $6-7M per would be tops for him elsewhere and if he likes it in NE as much as he says he does, we should be able to sign him for a small discount. At least I'm hoping.

Problem is our D is totally dependent on him. Our D SHOULD not be dependent on a single CB. That just tells you our D has more problems than people realize.

Defense DOES win games. Patriots need to revamp (again) the Secondary as well as our DL and LBs.

- Dump Coles (reminds me of Sergio Brown)
- Dump Chung (he has nothing left in tank)
- Keep Arrington in slot, not matter who goes down


Maybe we can sign EdReed for 1yr?

 

[grux]

I don't see the Pats spending a lot of money on Talib. His injury history and off the field problems are going to scare the Pats and most teams from giving him a big deal.

Totally agree. The pats are smart with their money and I don't see them breaking the bank for a player that has a history of injury/off field problems. The only way I would sign him is if he wants takes a big home town discount.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Problem is our D is totally dependent on him. Our D SHOULD not be dependent on a single CB. That just tells you our D has more problems than people realize.

Defense DOES win games. Patriots need to revamp (again) the Secondary as well as our DL and LBs.

- Dump Coles (reminds me of Sergio Brown)
- Dump Chung (he has nothing left in tank)
- Keep Arrington in slot, not matter who goes down


Maybe we can sign EdReed for 1yr?

CB and S should be top priorities in the draft. Like you said, losing one guy shouldn't end up being that fatal. Get another outside CB or pray that Dowling stays healthy for a change, that way in last night's situation they can step in for Talib and Arrington is still in the slot. I don't think we have the cap space to afford a guy like Reed, if we are planning to keep Talib, Welker, etc.

 

[Ivan]

If Talib wants to stay they would probably be willing to go to 20 for 4 back loaded but I don't see them going to far beyond that. He definitely helps when he is out there but it is his inability to stay on the field that is the most troubling thing about a big deal for him. He is definitely going to get bigger offers on the open market so it will come down to what he sees as his best interests.

 

[zipster9]

CB and S should be top priorities in the draft. Like you said, losing one guy shouldn't end up being that fatal. Get another outside CB or pray that Dowling stays healthy for a change, that way in last night's situation they can step in for Talib and Arrington is still in the slot. I don't think we have the cap space to afford a guy like Reed, if we are planning to keep Talib, Welker, etc.

Sadly, RasI has a injury-history in college. Why Patriots ignored that, I dont know... 2yrs now, RasI has been useless. I think he is another fatal draft mistake by the Patriots.

Really, Patriots need to fire the college-scouts we have and hire competant ones. Maybe we can entice Giants scouts to us?

 

[Sciz]

With a 36 year old QB, your RT >>>>> any WR.

Not that simple, especially when the Pats could very well have a viable alternative at RT under contract for two more seasons.

 

[letekro]

I don't see the Pats spending a lot of money on Talib. His injury history and off the field problems are going to scare the Pats and most teams from giving him a big deal.

LOL. Did you see how much Leigh Bodden made??? This guy is a better player and completely transformed the Patriots defense, allowing them to take the likes of Anquan Boldin out of the game with single coverage.

We are talking 8-9m/year. and it is well worth it.

 

[letekro]

First off, Im willing to let Vollmer walk, too much money. Then give Welker his deal. Then maybe we could use the tag on Talib??

That's fine if welker's deal is in the $4m/year range. Any more than that and I'm not on board with this plan.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Sadly, RasI has a injury-history in college. Why Patriots ignored that, I dont know... 2yrs now, RasI has been useless. I think he is another fatal draft mistake by the Patriots.

Really, Patriots need to fire the college-scouts we have and hire competant ones. Maybe we can entice Giants scouts to us?

Yeah I literally have zero faith in Ras=I staying on the field, though it would be a huge bonus if he ever did become a reliable option outside. That's why we'll likely have to spend yet another round 2 or higher pick on a CB, Dennard I believe is a once in a decade type lower round CB find for us like Asante was.

 

[TimU]

BB is very careful about who he gives the big guarenteed money to, and I don't think Talib fits the profile. I anticipate that Talib will walk, McCourty will return to CB, and the team will look for help (again) at the safety spot.