Per Reiss, Floyd Reese not expected to return in 2013

[ctpatsfan77]

Curious timing.

Sources: Reese not expected back in 2013 - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Does this mean they're giving Nick Caserio more authority, or are they expecting another reunion?

 

[edgeofepic]

While the Pats haven't won a SB since Pioli left I think there's a sense that Belichick doesn't need Pioli. Once upon a time people would say the Patriots would always be a contender so long as they had Brady, Belichick and Pioli. I think it's a 2 horse show now... with BB even proving he could win with Matt Cassell... something Pioli couldn't do without BB (and of course a much deeper roster.) Nonetheless, this Floyd Reece announcement is a curious move. I sense that within 2-3 years BB will be taking over the front office and hand the coaching keys to Josh McDaniels.

If there was to ever be a reunion I'd welcome a Romeo Crennel return. I think our offense hasn't skipped a beat since Charlie Weis left but our defense has certainly dipped compared to the RAC years, especially our secondary (although I doubt we'd ever seen Rat Mangini return.)

 

[Ivan]

Could be a Pioli sighting in NE in the near future.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Curious timing.

Sources: Reese not expected back in 2013 - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Does this mean they're giving Nick Caserio more authority, or are they expecting another reunion?

I haven't seen Reese's job description described as anything more than an adviser who conducted contract negotiations with Caserio handling the personnel. I don't think it affects Caserio's authority one way or another.

 

[Gumby]

Not sure why you all are using the "curious timing" words with this.

the articles says he had a 4 year contract and it expires at the end of the season (which is either today or in 2 weeks for the Pats)
----the article said it was amicable; maybe HE wants to leave as much/more as Pats want to let him go. He lived most of his life elsewhere/Houston - maybe it was just a ST gig from HIS PERSPECTIVE. Maybe he just wants to GO HOME.

He was originally hired as a stop-gap to help caserio not have to do EVERYTHING (personnel contracts) that Pioli used to.
---- Do you not think that after 4 YEARS you can't find / develop more guys who know how to do the contract negotiation role.

Floyd is 64 (not sure when his 65 is - could be next month);
---- Maybe he is just TIRED and wants to RETIRE.


He also was 'supposedly' hired to help put a friendlier message from the organization in the hard negotiations that had given the Pats a rep for a heavy hand. I am not sure that was ever officially acknowledged as a reason for the hire, but it made sense.
-----After the WW debacle; maybe the shine/smell has worn off the Reese rose. Since he didnt get wes done; maybe this would be the only reason I can think of as a NEGATIVE reason on why he is leaving.

And to me this is the real question: HOW will his leaving affect the STYLE/TENOR of Pats upcoming negotiations????? - Will they play HARD-BALL w/ WW - Talib & other guys we would like to see extended / re-signed.

 

[pdangle]

(AP) Rumours swirl that BB ever vigilant for even the slightest edge had delayed the announcement of this sad news until today in hopes of best motivating the Patriots to go out there and 'win one for the "Floydster"'. Many speculate that the pecululiar timing of the announcement is an obvious (and some say callous) attempt to counteract the emotional edge the Birds are feeling over the well documented immenent retirement of LB Ray Lewis, team captian. BB offered no comment.

 

[Fencer]

Not sure why you all are using the "curious timing" words with this.

the articles says he had a 4 year contract and it expires at the end of the season (which is either today or in 2 weeks for the Pats)
----the article said it was amicable; maybe HE wants to leave as much/more as Pats want to let him go. He lived most of his life elsewhere/Houston - maybe it was just a ST gig from HIS PERSPECTIVE. Maybe he just wants to GO HOME.

He was originally hired as a stop-gap to help caserio not have to do EVERYTHING (personnel contracts) that Pioli used to.
---- Do you not think that after 4 YEARS you can't find / develop more guys who know how to do the contract negotiation role.

Floyd is 64 (not sure when his 65 is - could be next month);
---- Maybe he is just TIRED and wants to RETIRE.


He also was 'supposedly' hired to help put a friendlier message from the organization in the hard negotiations that had given the Pats a rep for a heavy hand. I am not sure that was ever officially acknowledged as a reason for the hire, but it made sense.
-----After the WW debacle; maybe the shine/smell has worn off the Reese rose. Since he didnt get wes done; maybe this would be the only reason I can think of as a NEGATIVE reason on why he is leaving.

And to me this is the real question: HOW will his leaving affect the STYLE/TENOR of Pats upcoming negotiations????? - Will they play HARD-BALL w/ WW - Talib & other guys we would like to see extended / re-signed.

Well-argued. And by the way, things weren't all puppies and daisies with Mankins, either.

 

[Triumph]

Could be a Pioli sighting in NE in the near future.

Nooooooooooo

The Pats drafts have improved since Pioli left and the KC drafts have been a joke.

https://play.google.com/store/music/album/Randy_Miller_That_s_Pioli?id=Bit2sq4jady7cqelgyqlalji6iu

 

[reflexblue]

Could be a Pioli sighting in NE in the near future.

I hope not. IMO the team has drafted better since hes left.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I'm surprised Floyd lasted as long as he did here. It seemed all along this was a stop gap hire that also gave him a gig after he got scapegoated by Fisher (before Fisher finally got squeezed out) in Tennessee where a meddlesome owner created a good deal of infighting over his popularity driven draft choices. Figured his hire was always just a case of opportunity meets need as they needed a veteran presence in the FO to help ease Caserio's transition and Floyd needed a job and a shot at rehabbing his resume. I recall his name being floated as a potential candidate for a job or two the first couple of seasons but nothing ever came of it. Either he wants to be free to persue other opportunities or Nick is in line for a title change and promotion to VP of PP after the last two seasons (will never get the title GM as long as BB is here as final authority has always rested with him) and needs to or has earned the opportinity to take over the contract and cap functions.

Can't see Pioli returning here unless Caserio decides to move on for that elusive GM title. And that won't happen this season. He and Josh could decide to move on together in another year or two if the right situation arises. I could see a Pioli return in that situation or ultimately if and when BB retires because when he does I don't see BB hanging around as a GM. That's his least favorite part of the job. He's a firm believer that a HC has to control his own destiny via final say. If his eventual HC replacement comes up through the ranks as is likely the plan, I doubt the Krafts would be comfortable handing over that level of control to a new/young HC. I think that is when they would be looking for a seasoned and more familiar face like a Pioli or Dimetroff to perhaps return to the fold to insure a smoother transition to the next phase of the organizations existence. Until or unless Pioli lands another total control job he would always remain available to return to one here.

This was always an interim dead end job for Floyd unless Caserio flopped or bolted and neither has happened. As long as BB is here there will also be developmental guys in the pipeline like Nick who will get a shot ahead of a retread. Same as the Dom Capers deal. And just like if RAC really needed a job they'd find one for him here but it wouldn't be DC in waiting unless the cupboard was inexplicably bare.

Pioli is kind of a unique situation (somewhat akin to Josh) as he really fumbled the ball out of the gate on his first lone venture and fans soured on him to extreme levels. It was more to be expected in Josh's case than Pioli's because of all the credit he received for the better part of a decade here. He may have a hard time finding another FO job let alone one with total control. Although I could see him landing somewhere paired with Josh after next season or even paired with BOB if interest remains high in him come the next coaching/FO carousel cycle.

 

[DarrylStingley]

It's hard for me to buy the "win it for Floyd" angle.

I mean, really, do the players give a crap about him?

 

[vyrago]

It's hard for me to buy the "win it for Floyd" angle.

I mean, really, do the players give a crap about him?

I'm pretty sure that was a joke, but then sometimes Tone eludes me. Like maybe right now, your tone is eluding me.

 

[shmessy]

It's hard for me to buy the "win it for Floyd" angle.

I mean, really, do the players give a crap about him?

Darryl, it was obviously a joke.

 

[Jackson 2]

Darryl, it was obviously a joke.

Recognition of nuance seems elusive to some lately around here. Usually, most are pretty tuned in to it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well, it is a bit of an interesting situation that has developed.

I don't buy into any Bill vs Floyd stuff. Hes 64 years old. His contract his up and I think he either wants to cut back on the hours or needs to do something different.

By all accounts, Caserio has been positioned as the "personnel boss" for the team. In theory, this would dismiss any notion of Pioli coming back to the team in his former capacity.

However, based on the epic fail that went down in KC, Pioli really needs some career rehab and the least amount of risk for him is in New England. He slides into Floyd's old gig, maybe in a year or two Caserio gets wooed by some team and Pioli has his old job back.

It's totally plausible and if I was Pioli, I'd be thinking the same thing.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Floyd Reese came here hopeing to ride BB's coattails to a new GM job and that did not happen, there are a lot of hard core NFL fans that dont even know Reese has been with the pats the last few years LOL this is the only time i ever heard he's name this season...i wish him the best of luck in what ever he dose next year

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Well, it is a bit of an interesting situation that has developed.

I don't buy into any Bill vs Floyd stuff. Hes 64 years old. His contract his up and I think he either wants to cut back on the hours or needs to do something different.

By all accounts, Caserio has been positioned as the "personnel boss" for the team. In theory, this would dismiss any notion of Pioli coming back to the team in his former capacity.

However, based on the epic fail that went down in KC, Pioli really needs some career rehab and the least amount of risk for him is in New England. He slides into Floyd's old gig, maybe in a year or two Caserio gets wooed by some team and Pioli has his old job back.

It's totally plausible and if I was Pioli, I'd be thinking the same thing.

I just think that would be too damaging to Caserio's stock to fly. Caps his growth into the all around GM title. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if the Kraft's and aren't curious to see how Pioli handles the debaucle he created for himself somewhere else before revisiting the good old days. All they too know of Pioli the stand alone GM minus BB is what they saw unfold in KC and it wasn't pretty. One voice aside, part of his job when he was here was to descend from the ivory tower periodically and smooth ruffled feathers with some expansive translation of what the system was about or trying to accomplish to keep the media hounds and fans at bay. In KC he allowed a rookie HC with an ego and reputation as an impatient hothead take the lead as that one voice. And he almost went out of his way to personally alienate the local media. Remember Kraft's comments to BB before he hired him, about learning to deal with all aspects of being the man in charge of football ops. Bill did that through Scott. Scott failed to do that in what was his Cleveland.

Bill was very deferential where Scott was concerned when he was here. Scott handled the lions share of the job Bill is least enthralled with and while he retained final say he treated Scott like an equal partner. That said, part of that deference may have also cost us some better draft picks because anyone they couldn't agree on they opted to pass on. I think Scott was a bit more rigid when it came to selection and philosophy than his mentor. Almost like the guy who learns the formula but struggles to adapt situationally when circumstances dictated you might be better served to. Dimetroff was the adapter and critical thinker who learned a lot in his time here but didn't just try to replicate the NEP system, rather he adapted it to his unique situation. He did some things neither Bill nor Scott would have done, and in fact BB recommended against some of his decisions, but look where his team is today - same place as BB's, a game away from a SB.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Adios Reese, screw bringing Pioli back, BB has destroyed the last 3 drafts. If Vereen becomes Faulk 2.0, that leaves just one whiff in three years (Dowling).

Let's promote BB to emperor of the team.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I just think that would be too damaging to Caserio's stock to fly. Caps his growth into the all around GM title. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if the Kraft's and aren't curious to see how Pioli handles the debaucle he created for himself somewhere else before revisiting the good old days. All they too know of Pioli the stand alone GM minus BB is what they saw unfold in KC and it wasn't pretty. One voice aside, part of his job when he was here was to descend from the ivory tower periodically and smooth ruffled feathers with some expansive translation of what the system was about or trying to accomplish to keep the media hounds and fans at bay. In KC he allowed a rookie HC with an ego and reputation as an impatient hothead take the lead as that one voice. And he almost went out of his way to personally alienate the local media. Remember Kraft's comments to BB before he hired him, about learning to deal with all aspects of being the man in charge of football ops. Bill did that through Scott. Scott failed to do that in what was his Cleveland

Bill was very deferential where Scott was concerned when he was here. Scott handled the lions share of the job Bill is least enthralled with and while he retained final say he treated Scott like an equal partner. That said, part of that deference may have also cost us some better draft picks because anyone they couldn't agree on they opted to pass on. I think Scott was a bit more rigid when it came to selection and philosophy than his mentor. Almost like the guy who learns the formula but struggles to adapt situationally when circumstances dictated you might be better served to. Dimetroff was the adapter and critical thinker who learned a lot in his time here but didn't just try to replicate the NEP system, rather he adapted it to his unique situation. He did some things neither Bill nor Scott would have done, and in fact BB recommended against some of his decisions, but look where his team is today - same place as BB's, a game away from a SB.

Yep and the Julio Jones pick and Turner signing is an example of that origional thinking. You can count the number of staffers BB had in Foxboro that have left that went on to be sucessful somewhere else on one finger- Dimitroff. I do wonder what level of respect BB has in Caserio's assesment of talent. I mean, clearly BB has confidence in Caserio's ability but what we don't know is when those kind of situations come up on a player and BB has reservations, how much juice does Caserio have that convinces BB to select THAT player. That same juice as I call it is evident in JMcD and Patricia- which explains why he is DC and not Pepper.

All in all it's Bill's system and very few people on this planet know it end-to-end which is a big reason why so many few people are sucessful when they leave Foxboro. Not only that, they aren't Bill.

 

[Rob0729]

It's hard for me to buy the "win it for Floyd" angle.

I mean, really, do the players give a crap about him?

I fully expect the Pats to win this one for Floyd, but not Floyd Reece. I think they will win this one for Floyd the Barber. And tell me one person in this country who doesn't give a crap about Floyd the Barber.