Rumor: Ryan Mallet to Browns for 6th overall pick

[cstjohn17]

I don't want to kill the messenger but no freakin way.

Maybe for a 3rd or 4th, even that would be questionable.

 

[mayoclinic]

The trade is ridiculous. That goes without saying. But just for *****s and giggles, if the Pats had #6:

- Pats trade #6 to Chicago for #20 and #114
- Pats trade #32 and #94 to Seattle for #25 and a 6th round pick
- Pats trade #62 to Tennessee for #70 and #135
- Pats sign Armon Armstead

20. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina (NFL DraftScout #17)
25. Alec Ogletree, OLB, Georgia (NFL DraftScout #44)
70. Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech (NFL DraftScout #71)
114. Tharold Simon, DB, LSU (NFL DraftScout #110)
135. Reid Fragel, OT, Ohio St. (NFL DraftScout #178)

That leaves the Pats with a 6th and 2 7th round picks to play around with for late round prospects. More importantly, it gives the Pats two 1st round picks for 2014. That could allow the Pats to possibly get a guy like Louis Nix, Stephon Tuitt, or Austin Seferian-Jenkins.

 

[patsfaninpa]

And mine. But you don't seriously think he'd be available at #6 if the Draft were today, do you?

Even so...It's a long way to April 25th!! So we could always hope...

If you look back at my original post, I said that I thought; Moore, Lotelelei and Werner would be gone. Then added that Geno Smith and Joeckel would be the other two picked before 6. That's how I came to Warmack. Who is actually a better football player than anybody but Joeckel.

 

[Off The Grid]

And mine. But you don't seriously think he'd be available at #6 if the Draft were today, do you?

Even so...It's a long way to April 25th!! So we could always hope...

If you look back at my original post, I said that I thought; Moore, Lotelelei and Werner would be gone. Then added that Geno Smith and Joeckel would be the other two picked before 6. That's how I came to Warmack. Who is actually a better football player than anybody but Joeckel.

You do realize that I was responding to Manx, not to you, right?

Because your response, here, reads as if you thought I was addressing you.

And, yes: I'm pretty much in agreement with you about who'll be gone by #6.

 

[patsfaninpa]

You do realize that I was responding to Manx, not to you, right?

Because your response, here, reads as if you thought I was addressing you.

And, yes: I'm pretty much in agreement with you about who'll be gone by #6.

Gotcha. I wouldn't be against trading down a little. Not too much though. Warmack is going to be a multiple times pro-bowler. Him and Cannon on the right side might allow us to have our best running game since that other guy from Bama was dominating dt's.

I think this talk about Cleveland interested in Mallett is great. Because, other teams interested don't know what's being offered. I personally feel Arizona is a better fit. New qb friendly coach in Arians whom is 60. Don't want to take a couple of years developing a qb. Ready to go receivers; Fitzy, Doucet and Floyd. Arizona might be able to move up and get Joeckel. Then trade for Mallett. I'd like their 2nd and a conditional pick based on his performance. IE 14 or more starts, 4000+ yards and .500 record. We get a first next year too.

 

[Off The Grid]

In case anyone gets too worked up about thinking there's any reality to this, the notion of the 6th Pick was forwarded by some guy who claims to've been an NFL "Operations Coordinator", whatever that is, but spends his entire day tweeting like a 15 year old Valley Girl, and generally makes incredibly vapid comments like:

"Browns will have to give up number 6 overall pick this year, plus more. No clue what else."

...with absolutely no evident basis for making them!! :bricks:

 

[Sfpat]

What about swap of firsts, Cleveland adds a third or forth. Pats trade down from 6, obtain 2014 1st and other assets, position themselves for either Bridgewater or Manziel as their next QB?

 

[Off The Grid]

Gotcha. I wouldn't be against trading down a little. Not too much though. Warmack is going to be a multiple times pro-bowler. Him and Cannon on the right side might allow us to have our best running game since that other guy from Bama was dominating dt's.

I think this talk about Cleveland interested in Mallett is great. Because, other teams interested don't know what's being offered. I personally feel Arizona is a better fit. New qb friendly coach in Arians whom is 60. Don't want to take a couple of years developing a qb. Ready to go receivers; Fitzy, Doucet and Floyd. Arizona might be able to move up and get Joeckel. Then trade for Mallett. I'd like their 2nd and a conditional pick based on his performance. IE 14 or more starts, 4000+ yards and .500 record. We get a first next year too.

Good stuff.

1 ~ I'm absolutely Over The Moon about Chance Warmack, but I question his fit, here. Of course, I question Marcus Cannon's fit, here, as well, yet: here he is. I'm a big fan of mobile, Pulling & Trapping Offensive Guards, so I prefer the rather awesome Jon Cooper as a better athletic fit for what I hope we keep doing...not that Mad Bill's calling me for advice!!

2 ~ I'm pretty giddy about Lombardi taking over CleveLand!! His arrival there does indeed appear to add substantial Market Value to Ryan Mallett. And if you're right about Zona ~ great Argument, by the way!! ~ then all it takes is two Bidders to squeeze some nice Value out of a guy who ~ up until a day or so ago ~ I wondered if he had any Market at all. That's still in question, mind you, but is looking far sweeter, today!!

3 ~ Ahhhh...That Other Guy From Alabama.

Always appreciate the Reference, Brother Penn. As you may know, I am a frothing fan of Offensive Guards, and John Hannah...well, he wasn't the worst one who's ever played this Great Game.

 

[Off The Grid]

What about swap of firsts, Cleveland adds a third or forth.

Pats trade down from 6, obtain 2014 1st and other assets, position themselves for either Bridgewater or Manziel as their next QB?

Interesting, but I'd be shocked if that actually transpired: Book Value on that Swap, if CleveLand kicked in a 4th would be 1600 + 100 for, hopefully, 590, in addition to Mallett, which boils down to about 1100 Draft Dollars for Mallett, which is a Valuation of the #14 Pick.

I can't imagine that that's even in the realm of possibility.

But I like the way you're thinking!!

 

[patsfaninpa]

Good stuff.

1 ~ I'm absolutely Over The Moon about Chance Warmack, but I question his fit, here. Of course, I question Marcus Cannon's fit, here, as well, yet: here he is. I'm a big fan of mobile, Pulling & Trapping Offensive Guards, so I prefer the rather awesome Jon Cooper as a better athletic fit for what I hope we keep doing...not that Mad Bill's calling me for advice!!

2 ~ I'm pretty giddy about Lombardi taking over CleveLand!! His arrival there does indeed appear to add substantial Market Value to Ryan Mallett. And if you're right about Zona ~ great Argument, by the way!! ~ then all it takes is two Bidders to squeeze some nice Value out of a guy who ~ up until a day or so ago ~ I wondered if he had any Market at all. That's still in question, mind you, but is looking far sweeter, today!!

3 ~ Ahhhh...That Other Guy From Alabama.

Always appreciate the Reference, Brother Penn. As you may know, I am a frothing fan of Offensive Guards, and John Hannah...well, he wasn't the worst one who's ever played this Great Game.

I proudly wore number 73 in high school. In honor of Hawg. We didn't get a lot of Pats games on tv when we moved to Pa. I used have to watch for highlights on different sports shows. I remember after we played the Jets in either 78 or 79. Channel 11 from NY ter showed this clip of Hannah. He checked right because we were in a passing situation and out of the corner of his left eye he saw the Jets were blitzing a cb from the boundry. He did a reverse pivot and exploded into this un-suspecting cb and hit him. No exaggeration, the guy landed 7-8 yards from where Hannah hit him. He freaking launched him like NASA would a rocket. Girard showed the highlight 3-4 times and is laughing hysterically. It was so unbelievable it looked cartoonish. Even wraps up his sportscast with it. And, he was doing the Jets highlights. Unbelievably, I've never seen this on Patriots highlights. Wish they could get footage of it for all to see.

 

[Off The Grid]

Gotcha. I wouldn't be against trading down a little. Not too much though. Warmack is going to be a multiple times pro-bowler. Him and Cannon on the right side might allow us to have our best running game since that other guy from Bama was dominating dt's.

I think this talk about Cleveland interested in Mallett is great. Because, other teams interested don't know what's being offered. I personally feel Arizona is a better fit. New qb friendly coach in Arians whom is 60. Don't want to take a couple of years developing a qb. Ready to go receivers; Fitzy, Doucet and Floyd. Arizona might be able to move up and get Joeckel. Then trade for Mallett. I'd like their 2nd and a conditional pick based on his performance. IE 14 or more starts, 4000+ yards and .500 record. We get a first next year too.

Good stuff.

1 ~ I'm absolutely Over The Moon about Chance Warmack, but I question his fit, here. Of course, I question Marcus Cannon's fit, here, as well, yet: here he is. I'm a big fan of mobile, Pulling & Trapping Offensive Guards, so I prefer the rather awesome Jon Cooper as a better athletic fit for what I hope we keep doing...not that Mad Bill's calling me for advice!!

2 ~ I'm pretty giddy about Lombardi taking over CleveLand!! His arrival there does indeed appear to add substantial Market Value to Ryan Mallett. And if you're right about Zona ~ great Argument, by the way!! ~ then all it takes is two Bidders to squeeze some nice Value out of a guy who ~ up until a day or so ago ~ I wondered if he had any Market at all. That's still in question, mind you, but is looking far sweeter, today!!

3 ~ Ahhhh...That Other Guy From Alabama.

Always appreciate the Reference, Brother Penn. As you may know, I am a frothing fan of Offensive Guards, and John Hannah...well, he wasn't the worst one who's ever played this Great Game.

I proudly wore number 73 in high school. In honor of Hawg. We didn't get a lot of Pats games on tv when we moved to Pa. I used have to watch for highlights on different sports shows. I remember after we played the Jets in either 78 or 79. Channel 11 from NY ter showed this clip of Hannah. He checked right because we were in a passing situation and out of the corner of his left eye he saw the Jets were blitzing a cb from the boundry. He did a reverse pivot and exploded into this un-suspecting cb and hit him. No exaggeration, the guy landed 7-8 yards from where Hannah hit him. He freaking launched him like NASA would a rocket. Girard showed the highlight 3-4 times and is laughing hysterically. It was so unbelievable it looked cartoonish. Even wraps up his sportscast with it. And, he was doing the Jets highlights. Unbelievably, I've never seen this on Patriots highlights. Wish they could get footage of it for all to see.

Nice!! :rocker:

I'm a Grizzly Junkie, and can NOT get enough of classic footage of The Packer Sweep.

Would LOVE to add the play you speak of to my Video Library.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Nice!! :rocker:

I'm a Grizzly Junkie, and can NOT get enough of classic footage of The Packer Sweep.

Would LOVE to add the play you speak of to my Video Library.

I've googled it a bunch of times and can't find it. I forgot to mention I agree with you about Cooper being a better fit. Pulling, already plays in an up-tempo offense. But, when the game slows down I'd like to have a road grader to get those first downs in your 4 minute offense and can still play when we pass and hurry up. Which, I'm pretty sure Warmack could do.

I'm imagining an OL of Solder, Mankins, Connolly, Warmack and Vollmer. Heavy package bring a 3rd tackle in. Vollmer slides to LT and Solder lines up at TE. Gronk next to him. Cannon at RT. Receivers are Hernandez and Welker. Hernandez can line up tight and can block. With Vereen in the backfield. That offense will be able to run the ball on anyone and still have 4 pretty damn good receivers; Gronk, Ahern, Welker and Vereen. Teams will have to play base and we should be able to maul them. Bring the safeties up and you have to cover Welker and Ahern one on one with Gronk running down the seam. Unstoppable, I tell ya!!

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The trade is ridiculous. That goes without saying. But just for *****s and giggles, if the Pats had #6:

- Pats trade #6 to Chicago for #20 and #114
- Pats trade #32 and #94 to Seattle for #25 and a 6th round pick
- Pats trade #62 to Tennessee for #70 and #135
- Pats sign Armon Armstead

20. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina (NFL DraftScout #17)
25. Alec Ogletree, OLB, Georgia (NFL DraftScout #44)
70. Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech (NFL DraftScout #71)
114. Tharold Simon, DB, LSU (NFL DraftScout #110)
135. Reid Fragel, OT, Ohio St. (NFL DraftScout #178)

That leaves the Pats with a 6th and 2 7th round picks to play around with for late round prospects. More importantly, it gives the Pats two 1st round picks for 2014. That could allow the Pats to possibly get a guy like Louis Nix, Stephon Tuitt, or Austin Seferian-Jenkins.

Where does the extra pick in 2014 come from?

 

[Snake Eyes]

Good stuff.

Thanks for posting that pic, seeing those old unis makes me giddy:rocker:

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

Interesting, but I'd be shocked if that actually transpired: Book Value on that Swap, if CleveLand kicked in a 4th would be 1600 + 100 for, hopefully, 590, in addition to Mallett, which boils down to about 1100 Draft Dollars for Mallett, which is a Valuation of the #14 Pick.

I can't imagine that that's even in the realm of possibility.

But I like the way you're thinking!!

Funny enough, when I did that same math, it gave me a little hope.


I am not saying he is worth it, but 14-20 would typically be the value of the 3-5 QB in the board, depending on teams need at that position in this draft. Witha lot of teams needing them in this draft, and Mallett being at least equal to the top 3 guys out there, I am not sure it's that far fetched value wise.

I have serious doubt about this coming to fruition, but Lombardi is no dummy, he won't sink himself with Weedon, and if he replaces him it will be with someone he is very comfortable with. Lombardi having a son on staff may be all the confirmation he needs.

 

[Snake Eyes]

The trade is ridiculous. That goes without saying. But just for *****s and giggles, if the Pats had #6:

- Pats trade #6 to Chicago for #20 and #114
- Pats trade #32 and #94 to Seattle for #25 and a 6th round pick
- Pats trade #62 to Tennessee for #70 and #135
- Pats sign Armon Armstead

20. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina (NFL DraftScout #17)
25. Alec Ogletree, OLB, Georgia (NFL DraftScout #44)
70. Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech (NFL DraftScout #71)
114. Tharold Simon, DB, LSU (NFL DraftScout #110)
135. Reid Fragel, OT, Ohio St. (NFL DraftScout #178)

That leaves the Pats with a 6th and 2 7th round picks to play around with for late round prospects. More importantly, it gives the Pats two 1st round picks for 2014. That could allow the Pats to possibly get a guy like Louis Nix, Stephon Tuitt, or Austin Seferian-Jenkins.

Great work, Brother Mayo, but you're missing some binkies

At 6'3 and change I wonder if David Bass would make a good ILB, I'd love to see us have a LB that could cover.

 

[Marqui]

- Pats trade #6 to Chicago for #20 and #114

Not sure about that value. Last year Dallas traded up from 14th to the 6th and had to give up their 2nd round pick.

 

[mayoclinic]

Where does the extra pick in 2014 come from?

Not sure about that value. Last year Dallas traded up from 14th to the 6th and had to give up their 2nd round pick.

It was an omission, and a really bad one. The intended trade was #6 for #20, #114 and Chicago's 2014 1st round pick:

According to the #6 is worth 1600 points. #20 and #114 are worth 925 points, which leaves a difference of 675 points, which is about the value of the #27 pick, so a 2014 1st round would certainly be in that general range, depending on where it ended up being. If the Bears picked late in the 1st the point value would favor them, but if they ended up picking earlier if would favor the Pats, so the trade seemed reasonable.

In 2011 Cleveland traded #6 to Atlanta for #27, #59 and #124 in that year as well as 1st and 4th round picks in 2012. That seems like a lot. Atlanta obviously wanted Julio Jones badly. I'm not sure Chicago would want anyone that badly, and #20 is more valuable than #27, but I thought my discounted trade was reasonable, as a hypothetical, of course.

My bad for screwing it up in the original post. :bricks:

 

[manxman2601]

And mine. But you don't seriously think he'd be available at #6 if the Draft were today, do you?

Even so...It's a long way to April 25th!! So we could always hope...

Star is at #8 with NFLDraftScout so it could happen. currently I'm mocking:

1. KC - Geno Smith
2. JAX - Bjorn Werner
3. OAK - Damontre Moore
4. PHI - Luke Joeckel
5. ARI - ???
6. Star is available.


I think there's a good chance he goes at #3 or 4 but as he's not a pass rushing DT, he could slip a little. Star is the only one in that top 6 area that I'd like us to draft. other than that, it's trade back all the way for the likes of J Cooper, Ziggy or Jesse Williams.

 

[everlong]

There's no chance in hell they're getting the 6th pick in the draft for him but hey if you're going to dream make it a good one.