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Alert: NFLN. Brady 6 (8:00) Texans vs Pats replay (9:00) pm


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Joker, it was a travesty. I , and probably every Pat fan on the planet were livid. I hate complaining about officiating, but OMG, it was the worst. :mad:

I'm not complaining about the calls...THEY are plain as day...I'm complaining about obvious collusion on some level...this was NOT just coincidental...not call after call after call after call after call...
 
On NFLN wednesday night, they had the head of officiating go over calls from the weekend. Manning did indeed have two hands back on the ball by his gut before the fumble (possible tuck rule).

He disagreed with the that awful forward progress non-fumble call on Texan TE Daniels where Spikes did his little dance.
 
It was made illegal in 2006

I know the horse collar tackle is illegal. But my understanding of it (and I could be mistaken, which is why I'm asking) is that the hand needs to be INSIDE the back of the shoulder pads. I thought it was OK to pull a guy down by the back of his jersey, which is what Gostkowski did.
 
I know the horse collar tackle is illegal. But my understanding of it (and I could be mistaken, which is why I'm asking) is that the hand needs to be INSIDE the back of the shoulder pads. I thought it was OK to pull a guy down by the back of his jersey, which is what Gostkowski did.

I was wondering so I searched the NFL rule book (pg 77) and it says shoulder pads or jersey. You don't even have to bring the player down, if you cause his knees to buckle from pulling the pads or jersey, it'sa foul.
 
I was wondering so I searched the NFL rule book (pg 77) and it says shoulder pads or jersey. You don't even have to bring the player down, if you cause his knees to buckle from pulling the pads or jersey, it'sa foul.

Thanks. If you can't bring a guy down by the back of his jersey then the rule sucks.
 
so..the replay is over and here comes the NFL Tonight segment and here's how it opens

here's the rush and Brady is sacked!!!!!!! Brady is sacked !!!!! Yeah!!!

and then ...there's Ray Lewis making the tackle as the Ravens soar!!!!

and then...Kapaernik with another run over 50 yards!!!! and San Fan gaa gaa gaa gee gee gaa!!!

and now Flacco outplayed Brady last season!!!! are you watching this???

blatant slam after slam after slam with ZERO positive comments about the Pats...every other segment ...nothing but glowing praise for everybody on the Ravens,San Fran and Atlanta.,..

Wow...just wow...how does producer Eisen get away with this constant bias stream year after year??
 
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read THIS...Bill Leavy...the ref that single handedly handed the Steelers a Super Bowl win they NEVER deserved...

Seahawks Blog | Referee Bill Leavy apologizes to Seahawks | Seattle Times Newspaper

well...that does it for me...the Goodell fix is in...

edit: another apology from PFT...sorta shows what a despicable horrible sham of a game he reffed that day...WHY????? why THIS total hackjob mutt for this game?????? The AFC Championship game and we get THIS horrible stiff as the head ref...un friggin real

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-bill-leavy-apologizes-to-seahawks/?related=1
 
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wow...I mean...I forgot all about this but yeah...Leavy is ******ed

Hasselbeck was called for an illegal low block and given a 15-yard penalty on a tackle after the interception.

remember that one? Leavy calls a phantom hold on the Seahawks that negates them getting 1st and goal at the one and then, the next play Hasselback throws and INT and tackles the returner by taking his legs out and Leavy flags him for a 15 yard illegal block....laughingstock ref....I told you guys...the Goodell fix is in..
 
I was wondering so I searched the NFL rule book (pg 77) and it says shoulder pads or jersey. You don't even have to bring the player down, if you cause his knees to buckle from pulling the pads or jersey, it'sa foul.

That's not quite what it says:

All players are prohibited from . . .
(d) grabbing the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box at or behind the line of scrimmage, or to a quarterback who is in the pocket.

Note: It is not necessary for a player to pull the runner completely to the ground in order for the act to be illegal. If his knees are buckled by the action, it is a foul, even if the runner is not pulled completely to the ground.

As near as I can tell by this wording, grabbing the jersey but not the collar shouldn't draw a HC foul.
 
I think if you cause a player to buckle backward like that, you will get that call 99% of the time. The whole reason that foul was created. He (Mesko) even knew he screwed the pooch on that play himself.
 
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that 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was the ref calling "how dare you!!!"..yeah you stupid striped moron, YOU were looking away as the player with the ball that YOU are going to spot comes back to the LOS and throws the ball to YOU ...it was YOU who misread the whole friggin thing and YOU who reacted to the phony embarassment by throwing the flag for 15 yards...horrible ,stupid, possible game changing idiot call..I'm watching the game on NFLN again and although I saw this play numerous times before I finally saw ,by running the DVR forward and back that it's the REF that's looking back at soemthing or someone instead of doing his damn job by looking for the ball from the receiver...what was he supposed to do, walk all the way over to the ref and hand it to him???...another disgusting abuse of the whistle
 
I DVR'd the NFL Channel replay to look for a couple of things such as Gronk prior to the injury play, coverage competitiveness, SV blitz pickup, anything that stood out (first three quarters only).

On Gronk, watching the plays prior to his re-injury play, his blocking was just not going to be good enough. He was largely blocking with one arm (a Rid sweep left, Gronk blocked his man with one arm, the defender disengaged it easy and made the tackle). His walking around in between plays he was carrying the injured arm mostly like dead weight. Even his push off on the coverage defender on passing plays was being done with one arm. This was not 'Gronk - the best or one of the best TEs in the NFL' ...it wasn't even going to be close.

SV subbing for Woody? Damn, he hits the hole like a bullet on those '3 step drop then a quick handoff'. Some real explosion. Also, didn't see any blitz pickup mistakes. Had two plays where if TFB sees him and throws to him, likely something good is coming (not a knock on TFB). If SV can repeat this performance (not even counting the deep pass TD) including the blitz pickup? SV has got to be on the field more.

When the Texans had the ball on their side of the field, the Patriot coverage was relatively slack -- receivers had some space -- some completions were there for the making. Once the ball progressed toward the middle or just past the middle of the field, passes were very contested - the coverage was good. Texans scored their only TD before the fourth quarter entirely based on running. The pass coverage didn't allow the Texans even a whiff of the endzone. Also, didn't see any instance of a receiver that got behind the secondary for a long pass.

In general the underneath coverage by the Patriot LBs was pretty good (not perfect). Even receptions often had competitive coverage.

Excellent Patriot tackling. Not mentioned much but it is worth noting. The Texans went for some short of the yard marker third down receptions but the Patriot coverage didn't blow many tackles and stopped that critical YAC or came up and made every third down stretch require huge effort just to barely get it.

Texans fell really hard for several of the sweep-play action plays in game 1. They obviously watched their game film because they were much better on it this time.

The STs coverage that killed the Patriots was a clear result of poor lane coverage. Some video stops showed the first runback have so many Patriots bunched on too little of the field - wow. Seems like that one should be an easy fix though.
SHUT OUT to Arrington. If McCourty doesn't make the TD saving tackle on the kickoff return, Arrington had also caught up and was going to make the tackle too.

3rd down with 30 seconds to go in the 2nd quarter. TFB gets hit just before he threw the pass, incompletion. The Patriots punted - Texans got a FG out of it before halftime. The Texans rushed only 3 guys on that third down yet got to TFB almost instantly. Good game for the OL, they were effective almost every play I watched -- but epic fail on that one. A;so, the Texans had a DE single cover SV out of the backfield on that play -- that could have been something good waiting to happen if 5 Patriot OL can block 3 Texan rushers :rolleyes:
 
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