Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA rank)

[Shockt327]

So, has the Pats D been better than the Colts/Bronco's D in supporting their QB?

Well, I compared the defensive DVOA rankings for each team's D, starting in 2001. Both QBs missed a year, so it evens out. 2001 seemed like a fair year to start; it was Brady's first year and for Peyton it was just one year before Tony Dungy arrived in Indy. Anyhow, the numbers averaged out to be pretty similar. Way more than I expected.

Observations:
- Brady's D had 3 top-ten seasons. Manning's had 4.
- NE had 8 seasons in the top half of the NFL, Peyton's D had 7 seasons.
- Both have their highest ranking at 2nd.
- Brady's D has 3 seasons at 20th or worse. Manning has 4.
- NE and IND bottom-out at 30th and 29th respectively.

Defensive Rankings per Football Outsiders DVOA:

Year		Rank/Team		Rank/Team
2012		15 NE			5  DEN
2011		30 NE			27 IND*
2010		18 NE			24 IND
2009		16 NE			15 IND
2008		21 NE*			10 IND
2007		12 NE			2  IND
2006		7  NE			25 IND
2005		27 NE	 		5  IND
2004		6  NE	 		19 IND
2003		2  NE			13 IND
2002		14 NE			16 IND
2001		13 NE			29 IND
---		---			---
[B][U]Ave.		14.5 average		14.8 average[/U]
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*QB Did Not Play (not counted for average)

 

[borg]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

So, has the Pats D been better than the Colts/Bronco's D in supporting their QB?

Well, I compared the defensive DVOA rankings for each team's D, starting in 2001. Both QBs missed a year, so it evens out. 2001 seemed like a fair year to start; it was Brady's first year and for Peyton it was just one year before Tony Dungy arrived in Indy. Anyhow, the numbers averaged out to be pretty similar. Way more than I expected.

Observations:
- Brady's D had 3 top-ten seasons. Manning's had 4.
- NE had 8 seasons in the top half of the NFL, Peyton's D had 7 seasons.
- Both have their highest ranking at 2nd.
- Brady's D has 3 seasons at 20th or worse. Manning has 4.
- NE and IND bottom-out at 30th and 29th respectively.

Defensive Rankings per Football Outsiders DVOA:

Year		Rank/Team		Rank/Team
2012		15 NE			5  DEN
2011		30 NE			27 IND*
2010		18 NE			24 IND
2009		16 NE			15 IND
2008		21 NE*			10 IND
2007		12 NE			2  IND
2006		7  NE			25 IND
2005		27 NE	 		5  IND
2004		6  NE	 		19 IND
2003		2  NE			13 IND
2002		14 NE			16 IND
2001		13 NE			29 IND
---		---			---
[B][U]Ave.		14.5 average		14.8 average[/U]
[/B]
*QB Did Not Play (not counted for average)

This is a keeper......nice job

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

So, has the Pats D been better than the Colts/Bronco's D in supporting their QB?

Well, I compared the defensive DVOA rankings for each team's D, starting in 2001. Both QBs missed a year, so it evens out. 2001 seemed like a fair year to start; it was Brady's first year and for Peyton it was just one year before Tony Dungy arrived in Indy. Anyhow, the numbers averaged out to be pretty similar. Way more than I expected.

Observations:
- Brady's D had 3 top-ten seasons. Manning's had 4.
- NE had 8 seasons in the top half of the NFL, Peyton's D had 7 seasons.
- Both have their highest ranking at 2nd.
- Brady's D has 3 seasons at 20th or worse. Manning has 4.
- NE and IND bottom-out at 30th and 29th respectively.

Defensive Rankings per Football Outsiders DVOA:

Year		Rank/Team		Rank/Team
2012		15 NE			5  DEN
2011		30 NE			27 IND*
2010		18 NE			24 IND
2009		16 NE			15 IND
2008		21 NE*			10 IND
2007		12 NE			2  IND
2006		7  NE			25 IND
2005		27 NE	 		5  IND
2004		6  NE	 		19 IND
2003		2  NE			13 IND
2002		14 NE			16 IND
2001		13 NE			29 IND
---		---			---
[B][U]Ave.		14.5 average		14.8 average[/U]
[/B]
*QB Did Not Play (not counted for average)

This would be a great addition to the Manning hatorade thread.

 

[PatriotSeven]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

By the looks of that thing, you could actually make an argument Manning's had it a bit better. While the averages are in the Patriot's favor, Tom's had 3 top 10 defenses, to Manning's 4.

 

[robbomango]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

If you minus the seasons they didn't play it's TB 13.9 vs PM 13.7...

 

[Shockt327]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

If you minus the seasons they didn't play it's TB 13.9 vs PM 13.7...

Except, I already did that....

"*QB Did Not Play (not counted for average)"

 

[PatsSox363804]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

I can tell you that if you showed that to a Manning fan boy the first thing they would point out is Mannings 2006 defense vs Brady's 01,03,04 but of course that would be ignoring the 3TD 7INT playoff performance where his defense carried him.

 

[RodThePat]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

I'm at the point in my life where I truly believe I have enough arguments to thoroughly dismantle any kind of attempt someone makes at stating Manning > Brady. Really, I can't think of a single scenario that would make me think twice. Thanks to the fact Tebow won a playoff game with Denver last year, and Luck led a worse Colts team to a better record than Manning had with them in 2010, even the "Matt Cassel won 11 games, lol" argument has an extremely effective counter.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

I'm at the point in my life where I truly believe I have enough arguments to thoroughly dismantle any kind of attempt someone makes at stating Manning > Brady. Really, I can't think of a single scenario that would make me think twice. Thanks to the fact Tebow won a playoff game with Denver last year, and Luck led a worse Colts team to a better record than Manning had with them in 2010, even the "Matt Cassel won 11 games, lol" argument has an extremely effective counter.

.... and every year, the evidence seems to be getting more and more heavily weighted in Brady's favor.

 

[RodThePat]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

.... and every year, the evidence seems to be getting more and more heavily weighted in Brady's favor.

It would be extremely ironic if, in the year Manning gets his 5th MVP, the argument for him being better than Brady dies as Tom wins his 4th title. That would be borderline poetic.

 

[Shockt327]

Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r

Just out of curiosity, I had to check the rankings for yardage and points too....

	Manning's Defense		Brady's Defense

Year	Pts	Yrd (rank)		Pts	Yrd 

2012	4	2			9	25
2011					15	31
2010	21	26			8	25
2009	28	25			5	11
2008	23	20				
2007	8	18			4	4
2006	7	11			2	6
2005	1	3			17	26
2004	23	21			2	9
2003	2	11			1	7
2002	19	29			17	23
2001	20	11			6	24
2000	7	8			
1999	31	29			
1998	15	21			
					
	14.9	16.7			7.8	17.3