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How long do you think RG3 will last in the NFL?


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The concept of a QB that can run at a high level but also operate a successful passing game is not new. I think Kordell Stewart started as the Steelers QB around 10 years ago. The college ranks have been producing plenty of QBs with these type skills for many years now. Yet they largely haven't caught on in the NFL. One reason for that, IMHO (my theory), has to do with the running itself. With pro coverage schemes so intricate and effective, the ability to operate a successful passing attack against the better competition of the NFL has a dependency on rhythm and a high repetition of doing it. A QB that has a high frequency of runs will likely miss those critical reps needed to not only operate a high yield passing attack but aid in taking his game to a higher level. A truth of the NFL, whatever you do in the NFL as a rookie probably needs to be markedly better in year 3 and year 4. Put another way, if you are doing in year 3 what you were doing in year 1, your success is probably waning (again, just a theory).

Another reason, which the OP touched on, when you have large wrecking machines like Ray Lewis in the waiting, the amount of hits you accrue will effect your physical health -- especially considering the unique punishment QBs already take (standing in place, sometimes in vulnerable positions while blitzers hit you at high force, sometimes blind siding you). Even with the near coddling QBs are afforded by the NFL (which is a fact that will help RGIII to a degree), the unique punishment by big and ferocious defenders is going to be significant.
RGIII is probably running the dual threat better than just about all others to date (in part) because of his sleeker size (also in part because he is also producing very well in the passing game). He is just about as agile as it comes for someone at the starting QB position. But the sleek size makes his future durability a very iffy thing (far too quickly if he doesn't learn to duck). Now a player like Cam Newton? His significantly greater size has a better shot at longer term durability. If he can elevate his passing game abilities and his team gets a defense? I like his chances better. But his passing game ability, his ability to protect the ball, ability to complete the third down throws at a solid frequency has got to be elevated. So far Cam Newton year 2 appears to equal Cam newton year 1.

Disregarding the mediots belief that this is the skillset of all future QBs, I am not yet sold on the RGIII mold of QB. You have to appreciate the level of excitement a rookie! adds to the game yet has there been a QB of that mold that has put together more than a successful season? A bit early to declare this skill set the wave of the future given that the 4 arguably best teams in the league are manned by the drop back passer (Atl, GB, Den, NE). With that said, this skillset type QB is providing some success quickly, getting positive attention for the team, putting butts in the seats/people in front of the TV. With enormous pressure to win right now and the seemingly slower process to build a high caliber team around a drop back passer, IMHO there is going to be plenty of teams that go this route in the next few years. If I then see these teams have the high level success semi akin to the Patriots or GB or PM teams? I'll then believe the mediots (I dislike having to agree with the mediots on anything :D though).

I think the Rodgers / Luck / Russell Wilson style is ideal. Primarily a passer who can run if needed. All of those guys Average under than 6 attempts per game. As long as the QB is smart enough to keep himself healthy it's a big advantage for the offense. RG3 needs to get better at this no doubt.
 
Sadly, some people will now be naming their kids "RG" followed by some random number.

Robert Griffin doesn't have the same body type as Cam Newton. He's just not big enough to take a pounding one gets from running in the NFL.

If he can transition to a drop-back QB, he stands a better chance of surviving.
 
RGIII (and Wilson) is a High IQ QB with throwing skills, that differentiates them from other 'running' QB's
 
The scary part for this kid is he already tore that ACL. If in fact he's torn in again we're in new territory rehab and career wise. And considering he went for an MRI last night and we had results of his earlier MRI within hours...

Novelties wear thin in a hurry in the Not For Long league. Defenses focus on ways to limit or eliminate them. And as an earlier poster said, if you are not improving in your first 3-4 seasons in this league you are losing ground and getting worse. Griffin appears to have some passing skill that some of the earlier versions were lacking. However, if he loses the threat his mobility poses schmatically he's going to have to aspire to TFB pocket passer levels in order to thrive or possibly even survive because the way defenses approach him will be dramatically different absent that threat to take off and run.
Did they do the MRI last night? You are right, the first time it leaked within hours and there's been nothing so far. If he has reinjured the ACL, that is really bad news. I know people down here are not very pleased at all. NOt with Shanny and not with RG3. They think he should have taken himself out. I don't know, I think players want to play and that's the coach's job. I'm having a hard time imagining Brady ever taking himself out. He only went out when he literally could not walk.

Lots of drama down here in DC. Fascinating to watch from a non-fan perspective. I do find it hard to not to like RG3 though. He IS electric to watch. I also agree the injury was flukey. But he better figure out how to slide, slide, slide and fast. It should be his number one priority.
 
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not long if every year is like this and it will be unless he changes his style of play
Yep ive seen him take some hellashish hits. IF he doesn't cut down on the scrambling hes not going to last long.
 
Unless they significantly limit the number of running plays the kid has, he'll most likely be done in a hurry. At 6-2 220#, he's more lean than powerful and those hits will eventually break him. It's why I've said that Luck will be competing for titles long after RGIII is out of the league.
 
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I hope he learns how to protect his body. He is smart young man who could have a solid career if he can stay healthy. It is refreshing to see a great athlete come into the nfl who is well spoken and leads by example. The redskins would be smart to limit RG3's runs and teach him how to become more of a pocket passer. As good as Morris can run there should be plenty of opportunities for play action passes.
 
RGIII (and Wilson) is a High IQ QB with throwing skills, that differentiates them from other 'running' QB's

I agree with this, Shanahan needs to teach RG to be a pocket QB during the regualar season. I think RGIII has the brains and skills to be a very good in the pocket QB. He can take yards when they are there but he has to slide early. Tough to do when you are a competitor and I think RGIII is.

Let him run in the playoffs and playoffs only.
 
It's always the same story with these "mobile" QBs. They're so great, they're going to reinvent the position, blah blah blah. Then boom, big shock, they start getting banged up.

Luck or RG3? Are you kidding me with that choice? Mobility to help a passing QB like Aaron Rogers or Steve Young? Sure. The guys who want to run first? Give me a call when they win Super Bowls. Be a long wait. RG3 will never win one.
 
RGIII (and Wilson) is a High IQ QB with throwing skills, that differentiates them from other 'running' QB's

That may be true as far as a passer, but if he keeps running he needs to be a high IQ running back too.

I still say people are overacting a bit. It's not like he's getting 20 carries a game. Even with all his rushing, he's averaged 7.5 carries per game. How much more can you bring that down before you have pretty much eliminated his rushing threat completely and are no longer capable of running the spread option?

I'll maintain what happened to RG3 this year is more of a result of unfortunate circumstances along with him being too excited to do too much and I don't expect to repeat each and every season. Besides, guys like Michael Vick took most of his punishment in the pocket anyway. And even Brady got his leg broken in the pocket.
 
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That may be true as far as a passer, but if he keeps running he needs to be a high IQ running back too.

I still say people are overacting a bit. It's not like he's getting 20 carries a game. Even with all his rushing, he's averaged 7.5 carries per game. How much more can you bring that down before you have pretty much eliminated his rushing threat completely and are no longer capable of running the spread option?

I'll maintain what happened to RG3 this year is more of a result of unfortunate circumstances along with him being too excited to do too much and I don't expect to repeat each and every season. Besides, guys like Michael Vick took most of his punishment in the pocket anyway. And even Brady got his leg broken in the pocket.

This kid has already had an ACL injury in the past. We're not talking about a first time injury. What happened to RG3 is the result of playing his style in the NFL. What happened to him last night is the result of a head coach who is obsessed with becoming relevant again to the point where, in an era where Goodell screams about safety every chance he can, Shanahan didn't do the right thing with the player who's supposed to be the future of the Redskins franchise.

Shanahan should be fired today.
 
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The scary part for this kid is he already tore that ACL. If in fact he's torn in again we're in new territory rehab and career wise. And considering he went for an MRI last night and we had results of his earlier MRI within hours...

Novelties wear thin in a hurry in the Not For Long league. Defenses focus on ways to limit or eliminate them. And as an earlier poster said, if you are not improving in your first 3-4 seasons in this league you are losing ground and getting worse. Griffin appears to have some passing skill that some of the earlier versions were lacking. However, if he loses the threat his mobility poses schmatically he's going to have to aspire to TFB pocket passer levels in order to thrive or possibly even survive because the way defenses approach him will be dramatically different absent that threat to take off and run.

well said :rocker:
 
RGIII (and Wilson) is a High IQ QB with throwing skills, that differentiates them from other 'running' QB's

What use is the High IQ of if the QB tears his ACL or breaks his league, mind you they dont play QB from a wheelchair , They actually need to be able to stand on their legs which will be more and more difficult if RG3 keeps getting injured the way he has done this year
 
Too many mediots hiding today behind cover of defending the platitudes the player and coach are spewing. Barnwell nails the real issues.

What was more noticeable was how little Griffin offered as a passer. His mechanics were clearly out of whack: He wasn't able to step into his throws and plant, turning the normally accurate Griffin into a scattershot passer. He sailed many of his throws, an issue that often comes into play with quarterbacks who aren't able to execute their footwork properly because of a lower-body injury.

You can forgive the Redskins for giving Griffin a drive or two to examine whether he would be able to contribute to the cause. You can't fault Griffin's guts for wanting to play, either. But it became clear no later than halftime that Griffin was more than limited; he was far below the level of a replacement-level quarterback, let alone at the level of a healthy Kirk Cousins.

The second question is much thornier. "Were the Redskins making a decision that had Robert Griffin III's best interests in mind?" The process that went into leaving Griffin in is more complicated than that, and it speaks to just how seriously the league takes some very antiquated and foolish ideas. After the game, Mike Shanahan's press conference was a farce of the highest order. First, Shanahan went through the basic tenets of coach's privilege, one by one.

Shanahan's story, in the end, saw him rely on that most tried-and-true coaching adage. "You've gotta go with your gut," Shanahan said. He might have thought about considering his eyes, too.


Bill Barnwell on the weekend's wild-card games - Grantland
 
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Some of the early rumblings on RG3 not too good. ACL/PCL has been floated around. Possibly missing all next season?

This is just a few tweets, but it's on extremeskins.com right now and people are stunned.
 
Anyone can see RGIII has strong but very thin and fragile legs....I could see some broken legs and banged up knees in his future.....he is not going to be a 10 year QB.

If he were a WR,he would probably be around a lot longer
 
My response has been posted already more than a few times so I'll just say this: F*** YOU rat faced lunatic. I hope you get fired
 
My response has been posted already more than a few times so I'll just say this: F*** YOU rat faced lunatic. I hope you get fired

I always thought Shanny looked like a serial killer.
 
My response has been posted already more than a few times so I'll just say this: F*** YOU rat faced lunatic. I hope you get fired

Wow, that's a little harsh. Not sure he is deserving of all of this hate.

Shanahan did play him in 2 back to back games, had doctor approval for those and this game, and RG3 was ok. Besides, I'm pretty sure RG3 wouldn't have wanted it any other way especially with the way Kirk has been playing. The idea that Cousins could come in, carry the team further into the playoffs and potentially losing his job didn't sit well with RG3 either. Unfortunately he didn't think about the fact it could cost him more than just the starting job for the Redskins.

What I'm more concerned with is if the initial MRI was a tear, rather than a sprain and someone missed the boat completely doing serious damage to his knee.
 
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