Does Romeo Crennel get that call to join the Pats defensive staff?

[Deus Irae]

Please. Crennel is leaps and bounds better than Patricia. As a matter of fact, the last few games, it seems BB has been coaching defense... again. Coincidence?

BB did the same thing when Crennel was around.

 

[I.M. Fletcher]

Please. Crennel is leaps and bounds better than Patricia. As a matter of fact, the last few games, it seems BB has been coaching defense... again. Coincidence?

I would say that has more to do with Belichicks faith in Brady and Mcdaniels than it speaks to Patricia's weakness. Mcdaniels is entering into the role parcells had Belichick in by the end, with absolute trust and responsibility.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Sure he did.

But really, Patricia over Crennel? No one can say that because its simply not true. Sorry to bash Matt, thats not my intention but Crennel is proven.

 

[moosekill]

Sure he did.

But really, Patricia over Crennel? No one can say that because its simply not true. Sorry to bash Matt, thats not my intention but Crennel is proven.

And you know this because.... oh yea, you are just making stuff up. Good job!

 

[Deus Irae]

Sure he did.

But really, Patricia over Crennel? No one can say that because its simply not true. Sorry to bash Matt, thats not my intention but Crennel is proven.

I think that, if you're waiting for Crennel to come back as the D.C., you're likely to be waiting a long, long time. Patricia and BB have that defense working well right now, and held 5 of the last 6 opponents to fewer than 20 points, even posting a shutout yesterday.

 

[Kid~Brady]

I think that, if you're waiting for Crennel to come back as the D.C., you're likely to be waiting a long, long time. Patricia and BB have that defense working well right now, and held 5 of the last 6 opponents to fewer than 20 points, even posting a shutout yesterday.

True. Not neccessarily waiting for him, just a question. If it doesn't happen, I'm fine with that.

 

[Kid~Brady]

And you know this because.... oh yea, you are just making stuff up. Good job!

Made what up?

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Yeah, two guys that have known, respected and won super bowls together over many years are going to let what basically sounds like a petty disagreement ruin that? I call BS.

BB woud hire satan himself if he thought he could help win football games or make the defense better? Bill would not let a personal disagreement stand in the way of making his team better. I call BS.

BB is know the NFL world over for his never saying anything bad publicly about anyone. Hell, if asked what he though about the comish, he'd probably say something like "he has a hard job to do, and he does it. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes,.... yada, yada, yada." Do you really think if someone had asked him about RAC being ready to be a head coach, do you REALLY see him saying "no", even if he really felt it? I call BS on this.


Basically NOTHING about that story makes any sense given what we know about BB.

 

[moosekill]

You have no clue in the world if Crennel is a better defensive coordinator. You are simply making it up and stating it as fact. I am calling you out on it.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

On some levels it makes some sense to see RAC back in NE some capacity, but it will never happen as DC. BB develops coaches usually from the ground up. The guys he has in place now are HIS guys....just as much as Romeo was HIS guy back in 2004. Also don't forget that in 2001 and 2003, the Pats ranked in the mid 20's in total defense, so its not like you'd likely see a "dominant" D. In fact those D's were a lot like the one we have now. Mid 20's in total D and top 10 in scoring D, with a great TO ratio.

Next year the defense will likely be a bit more talented and more importantly a lot more experienced. Lets see how Matt Patricia evolves along with his evolving D.

In 2001, the Pats were statistically average across the board, but IIRC, the Pats had the top ranked defense in the league in 2003 and 2004, but they also had top class defenders. The 2012 defense is the most talented defense the patriots have had since at least 2007, but this defense is way faster than our defenses have been, largely because they have to be in order to have remote success.

I don't think RAC comes back, but I don't think he needs to. As others have said, the offense is run by Josh and Tom. The defense is Bill's.

 

[DarrylS]

At one point of this season the D Backfield totalled less than 5 years experience, and often this D starts up to 4 rookies at a time.. there is a tremendous learing curve for the whole D.. communication seems to be less of an issue as the season progressed..

BB is always involved in this D, so much so that often he is on the sidelines diagnosing the polaroids, not sure if many HC's do this all that much.. occasionally he does the same for the Offense.

BB is not listening to Bon Jovi on those Dr. Dre's.. he is completely involved in all phases of what happens on the field.

 

[Tunescribe]

Amazing how some people believe Romeo is some sort of miracle-working defensive mastermind. Like, yeah, he confirmed that in Cleveland and Kansas City . What he accomplished here was UNDER BB and WITH the likes of McGinest, Seymour, Law, Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, etc. If we had those players under Patricia, folks would be calling him a legend as well.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

There was definitely a little something that transpired between Charlie and BB after he left. RAC did some disgruntled staff poaching and there was the whole Willie knew he had a job thing that precluded any restructure and resulted in his not finishing up here. And I do recall the owners meeting as well as a combine where RAC and Ratgini were a couple and had no interaction with BB.

Charlie and BB always had a good relationship. Perhaps because Charlie was an OC and BB treated him with a whole lot more respect than his predecessor did. And they never competed. That dated back to their Jets days when Parcells treated Charlie like crap. In many ways BB treated RAC with more respect than that same predecessor who never even promoted him to DC did. But I think BB saw a ceiling - perhaps in both - even though he respected their desire to take a shot at HCing and never stood in their way. He once told Holley that once someone had outgrown the job and was focused on achieving the next level they were not as likely to perform as well for him as some young, hungry guy waiting in the wings for a shot at coordinating. I also think there was some ego with RAC given BB got most of the credit for the D.

Belichick is a lot more likely to dial up Saban for schematic advice. As he did in 2002. It was he, Ernie and Saban kicking around approaches to a potential rematch with the Rams who came up with the Marshall Faulk key and the disrupting Warner's timing via hitting all the receivers concept. RAC's job was to install the concept.

RAC was always more of a players coach/father like figure than Bill is, too. And that can be a bit of a negative in a meritocracy where everyone is accountable. Charlie was an SOB who rode players on his side of the ball to perform which I think resonated with Bill.

They may talk. But he won't be back. That ship sailed a long time ago. He wasn't nearly as loyal or supportive after 2007 and spygate as Charlie remained.

I think RAC was a great teacher and implementer and motivator. Not an X's and O's savant. I think while BB was always OK with their relationship, RAC's ego wasn't entirely. I also recall BB saying perhaps to Holley when asked about the potential effects of losing both of his SB coordinators that as long as he still had Ernie it would be fine.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Matt Patricia?

Bill did this throughout RAC and Mangini's tenures as DC, too. He's always been hands on and particularly on game day making adjustments or reiterating the game plan. Unless he takes away their red hoodie they haven't been demoted. Did take Mangini's away for a time...probably in hindsight for insubordination.

 

[signbabybrady]

This is not the same as Josh last year. Our DC has not been hired to another team like BOB last year so there is no promising the DC next year to come in and be a special assistant. Without the job next year Romeo needs to be available to find work for next season.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Please. Crennel is leaps and bounds better than Patricia. As a matter of fact, the last few games, it seems BB has been coaching defense... again. Coincidence?

Agree with Deus that BB has always done this. At Gillette I sit behind the D bench. Biggest blowup ever was BB going off big time at Romeo during a game . Regardless of who was DC, BB has ALWAYS spent time with the D going over the faxed photos from above.

Romeo might come here as a playoff consultant but never again as DC for the reasons others cited. Most likely is that BB and Romeo have a long telephone chat about scouting Denver.

 

[zipster9]

Crennel and BB had a falling out when Crennel left to HC the Browns.

A reporter asked BB if he thought Crennel would make a good HC and BB replied " No." At the NFL owners meeting shortly after, Mangini and Crennel were cruising the buffet table and they snubbed BB without saying a word.

Maybe things are better now between BB and Crennel, but the Pats like to hire from within and Patricia is doing a good job. So, no to Crennel.

Crennel should take a break from the NFL and open up his own Dunkin Donuts franchise.

I would not say Patricia is doing a "good" job. I think average at best. Why do you think BillB is coaching up the D? Because he knows Patricia needs help.

I'd prefer a top notch D-coach to complement BillB. Patricia is NOT one.

 

[Ivan]

Belichick has always gone to units on the sidelines when he wants to make points to them, it has nothing to do with a lack of belief in Patricia.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Belichick has always gone to units on the sidelines when he wants to make points to them, it has nothing to do with a lack of belief in Patricia.

Could be. Maybe not, who knows.

We are all speculating with that part of it but I think Crennel is a good defensive coordinator. Patricia just doesnt seem "there" yet. But thats a matter of opinion, I understand that.

 

[patfanken]

Yeah, two guys that have known, respected and won super bowls together over many years are going to let what basically sounds like a petty disagreement ruin that? I call BS.

BB woud hire satan himself if he thought he could help win football games or make the defense better? Bill would not let a personal disagreement stand in the way of making his team better. I call BS.

BB is know the NFL world over for his never saying anything bad publicly about anyone. Hell, if asked what he though about the comish, he'd probably say something like "he has a hard job to do, and he does it. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes,.... yada, yada, yada." Do you really think if someone had asked him about RAC being ready to be a head coach, do you REALLY see him saying "no", even if he really felt it? I call BS on this.


Basically NOTHING about that story makes any sense given what we know about BB.

I can't believe that some of you guys are taking Triumph's BS post seriously this far along in the game, but responding to it as if where fact. Once again, a BS internet story is elevated to the the truth for not other reason than it exists. Its like the All State commercial. "Its the truth because I heard in on the internet. You can't lie on the internet"